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I have been seeing this post on Facebook: THANK YOU FLORIDA AND KENTUCKY!!!! Florida and Kentucky the first states that will require drug testing when applying for welfare, effective July 1st! Some people are crying this is unconstitutional. How is this unconstitutional? It's OK to drug test the people who work for their money but not those who don't? Re-post if you want all states to do this. My question is this: what is unconstitutional about it? private employers have the OPTION to drug test as a way to weed out those who will be working with their 'customers' its a different scenario than those who are supposed to be HELPING people with financial need,,,, its unconstitutional because welfare is a government program, it is government money and it is a way of discriminating against one group of recipients of government money as opposed to ALL recipients of government money,,,it could be considered illegal search but perhaps we will follow suit by ordering RANDOM alcohol testing of all people driving on (government funded) roads,,,,testing that will be required to be PAID FOR by those randome folks,,,,, Everything you wrote is typical liberal hogwash and I'll have none of it. Drug test the welfare brats, it'll save us some money! |
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I know somebody who knew somebody who,,,,
stories can be told about ANY form of assistance or funding the government currently provides ANY RESOURCE THAT CAN BE USED CAN BE MISUSED that doesnt mean we toss the resource out and all the people it actually helps along with it the easiest way for people to make sure noone got help, in that case, would be to find a way to personally milk or misuse the resource in order to validate that the system is not 'perfect' and therefore useless and unnecessary,,, |
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I have been seeing this post on Facebook: THANK YOU FLORIDA AND KENTUCKY!!!! Florida and Kentucky the first states that will require drug testing when applying for welfare, effective July 1st! Some people are crying this is unconstitutional. How is this unconstitutional? It's OK to drug test the people who work for their money but not those who don't? Re-post if you want all states to do this. My question is this: what is unconstitutional about it? private employers have the OPTION to drug test as a way to weed out those who will be working with their 'customers' its a different scenario than those who are supposed to be HELPING people with financial need,,,, its unconstitutional because welfare is a government program, it is government money and it is a way of discriminating against one group of recipients of government money as opposed to ALL recipients of government money,,,it could be considered illegal search but perhaps we will follow suit by ordering RANDOM alcohol testing of all people driving on (government funded) roads,,,,testing that will be required to be PAID FOR by those randome folks,,,,, Everything you wrote is typical liberal hogwash and I'll have none of it. Drug test the welfare brats, it'll save us some money! The part in bold is the only valid part in the statement. The rest of the statement, I challenged her to force Kentucky and Florida to stop their "unconstitutional" actions.  The rest is opinion and already changed to, maybe it's not unconstitutional but, ____________________. |
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the US Government should stop spending $15 billion dollars a year on the "war on drugs" it's a war they ain't winning cause Florida and Kentucky proved it.
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I have been seeing this post on Facebook: THANK YOU FLORIDA AND KENTUCKY!!!! Florida and Kentucky the first states that will require drug testing when applying for welfare, effective July 1st! Some people are crying this is unconstitutional. How is this unconstitutional? It's OK to drug test the people who work for their money but not those who don't? Re-post if you want all states to do this. My question is this: what is unconstitutional about it? private employers have the OPTION to drug test as a way to weed out those who will be working with their 'customers' its a different scenario than those who are supposed to be HELPING people with financial need,,,, its unconstitutional because welfare is a government program, it is government money and it is a way of discriminating against one group of recipients of government money as opposed to ALL recipients of government money,,,it could be considered illegal search but perhaps we will follow suit by ordering RANDOM alcohol testing of all people driving on (government funded) roads,,,,testing that will be required to be PAID FOR by those randome folks,,,,, Everything you wrote is typical liberal hogwash and I'll have none of it. Drug test the welfare brats, it'll save us some money! The part in bold is the only valid part in the statement. The rest of the statement, I challenged her to force Kentucky and Florida to stop their "unconstitutional" actions. The rest is opinion and already changed to, maybe it's not unconstitutional but, ____________________. already posted a million different ways what I feel about how we define things by the constitution as well as how it is constantly inerpreted and re interpreted into law it is a FACT, that it has yet to be determined unconstitional, that does not mean it wont be at some point in time you are correct though, this is mostly my opinion along with everyone elses when it comes to what they feel should be 'rights' and how they interpret the constitution,,, I feel its very much discrimination to single out one group receiving funds and not others when those politicians (who also receive tax money) step up to pay for random tests, when those on social security pay for random tests, when teachers and researchers step up to pay for random tests,,,I wont be able to argue discrimination but for now, the argument is very valid and easily considered in the interpretation of The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated |
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated We kissed that goodbye with the pariot act and the NDAA! |
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Edited by
willing2
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Wed 06/13/12 08:05 PM
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I have been seeing this post on Facebook: THANK YOU FLORIDA AND KENTUCKY!!!! Florida and Kentucky the first states that will require drug testing when applying for welfare, effective July 1st! Some people are crying this is unconstitutional. How is this unconstitutional? It's OK to drug test the people who work for their money but not those who don't? Re-post if you want all states to do this. My question is this: what is unconstitutional about it? private employers have the OPTION to drug test as a way to weed out those who will be working with their 'customers' its a different scenario than those who are supposed to be HELPING people with financial need,,,, its unconstitutional because welfare is a government program, it is government money and it is a way of discriminating against one group of recipients of government money as opposed to ALL recipients of government money,,,it could be considered illegal search but perhaps we will follow suit by ordering RANDOM alcohol testing of all people driving on (government funded) roads,,,,testing that will be required to be PAID FOR by those randome folks,,,,, Everything you wrote is typical liberal hogwash and I'll have none of it. Drug test the welfare brats, it'll save us some money! The part in bold is the only valid part in the statement. The rest of the statement, I challenged her to force Kentucky and Florida to stop their "unconstitutional" actions. The rest is opinion and already changed to, maybe it's not unconstitutional but, ____________________. already posted a million different ways what I feel about how we define things by the constitution as well as how it is constantly inerpreted and re interpreted into law it is a FACT, that it has yet to be determined unconstitional, that does not mean it wont be at some point in time you are correct though, this is mostly my opinion along with everyone elses when it comes to what they feel should be 'rights' and how they interpret the constitution,,, I feel its very much discrimination to single out one group receiving funds and not others when those politicians (who also receive tax money) step up to pay for random tests, when those on social security pay for random tests, when teachers and researchers step up to pay for random tests,,,I wont be able to argue discrimination but for now, the argument is very valid and easily considered in the interpretation of The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated What one group is singled out? Drug users come in all races. Any one that has paid into the SS system isn't receiving free help. They worked for it. There are some, who never worked a day and are receiving disability. Yes, they should be tested for illicit drugs. Veterans don't get a choice as to whether they can do illicit drugs. If any show up on the routine exams, they are dropped and in some cases prosecuted for whatever particular drug. BTW. Welfare is not a right. |
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I have been seeing this post on Facebook: THANK YOU FLORIDA AND KENTUCKY!!!! Florida and Kentucky the first states that will require drug testing when applying for welfare, effective July 1st! Some people are crying this is unconstitutional. How is this unconstitutional? It's OK to drug test the people who work for their money but not those who don't? Re-post if you want all states to do this. My question is this: what is unconstitutional about it? private employers have the OPTION to drug test as a way to weed out those who will be working with their 'customers' its a different scenario than those who are supposed to be HELPING people with financial need,,,, its unconstitutional because welfare is a government program, it is government money and it is a way of discriminating against one group of recipients of government money as opposed to ALL recipients of government money,,,it could be considered illegal search but perhaps we will follow suit by ordering RANDOM alcohol testing of all people driving on (government funded) roads,,,,testing that will be required to be PAID FOR by those randome folks,,,,, Everything you wrote is typical liberal hogwash and I'll have none of it. Drug test the welfare brats, it'll save us some money! The part in bold is the only valid part in the statement. The rest of the statement, I challenged her to force Kentucky and Florida to stop their "unconstitutional" actions. The rest is opinion and already changed to, maybe it's not unconstitutional but, ____________________. already posted a million different ways what I feel about how we define things by the constitution as well as how it is constantly inerpreted and re interpreted into law it is a FACT, that it has yet to be determined unconstitional, that does not mean it wont be at some point in time you are correct though, this is mostly my opinion along with everyone elses when it comes to what they feel should be 'rights' and how they interpret the constitution,,, I feel its very much discrimination to single out one group receiving funds and not others when those politicians (who also receive tax money) step up to pay for random tests, when those on social security pay for random tests, when teachers and researchers step up to pay for random tests,,,I wont be able to argue discrimination but for now, the argument is very valid and easily considered in the interpretation of The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated What one group is singled out? Drug users come in all races. Any one that has paid into the SS system isn't receiving free help. They worked for it. There are some, who never worked a day and are receiving disability. Yes, they should be tested for illicit drugs. Veterans don't get a choice as to whether they can do illicit drugs. If any show up on the routine exams, they are dropped and in some cases prosecuted for whatever particular drug. BTW. Welfare is not a right. neither is a pension, or disability, or a political career they are 'safety net' programs and career CHOICES those on welfare worked for it too and will work for it again,, but when they worked for it it was to help OTHERS, just like others need to understand there is a time for them to help in return,,,, |
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I have been seeing this post on Facebook: THANK YOU FLORIDA AND KENTUCKY!!!! Florida and Kentucky the first states that will require drug testing when applying for welfare, effective July 1st! Some people are crying this is unconstitutional. How is this unconstitutional? It's OK to drug test the people who work for their money but not those who don't? Re-post if you want all states to do this. My question is this: what is unconstitutional about it? private employers have the OPTION to drug test as a way to weed out those who will be working with their 'customers' its a different scenario than those who are supposed to be HELPING people with financial need,,,, its unconstitutional because welfare is a government program, it is government money and it is a way of discriminating against one group of recipients of government money as opposed to ALL recipients of government money,,,it could be considered illegal search but perhaps we will follow suit by ordering RANDOM alcohol testing of all people driving on (government funded) roads,,,,testing that will be required to be PAID FOR by those randome folks,,,,, Everything you wrote is typical liberal hogwash and I'll have none of it. Drug test the welfare brats, it'll save us some money! The part in bold is the only valid part in the statement. The rest of the statement, I challenged her to force Kentucky and Florida to stop their "unconstitutional" actions. The rest is opinion and already changed to, maybe it's not unconstitutional but, ____________________. already posted a million different ways what I feel about how we define things by the constitution as well as how it is constantly inerpreted and re interpreted into law it is a FACT, that it has yet to be determined unconstitional, that does not mean it wont be at some point in time you are correct though, this is mostly my opinion along with everyone elses when it comes to what they feel should be 'rights' and how they interpret the constitution,,, I feel its very much discrimination to single out one group receiving funds and not others when those politicians (who also receive tax money) step up to pay for random tests, when those on social security pay for random tests, when teachers and researchers step up to pay for random tests,,,I wont be able to argue discrimination but for now, the argument is very valid and easily considered in the interpretation of The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated What one group is singled out? Drug users come in all races. Any one that has paid into the SS system isn't receiving free help. They worked for it. There are some, who never worked a day and are receiving disability. Yes, they should be tested for illicit drugs. Veterans don't get a choice as to whether they can do illicit drugs. If any show up on the routine exams, they are dropped and in some cases prosecuted for whatever particular drug. BTW. Welfare is not a right. neither is a pension, or disability, or a political career they are 'safety net' programs and career CHOICES those on welfare worked for it too and will work for it again,, but when they worked for it it was to help OTHERS, just like others need to understand there is a time for them to help in return,,,, That Obozo BS stinks to high heaven! Let's all quit work and let the govt support us! Seems to be the only class of people with merit in your eyes! Leeches, slackers and thieves on a very large scale, few deserve it, most don't! |
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As I keep saying every time this topic comes up.... This is another attack on women and another attack on the poor. When they test congress for drugs and prostitutes then I won't have a problem with this. What about the corporate welfare recipients, like JPMorgan, Bank of America, et al? In comparison, the fraud perpetrated on the American people by the Federal Reserve and private banking systems makes any welfare 'fraud' case not even show up as a rounding error. We're being used to attack each other, again, divide and conquer. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 06/13/12 11:21 PM
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I have been seeing this post on Facebook: THANK YOU FLORIDA AND KENTUCKY!!!! Florida and Kentucky the first states that will require drug testing when applying for welfare, effective July 1st! Some people are crying this is unconstitutional. How is this unconstitutional? It's OK to drug test the people who work for their money but not those who don't? Re-post if you want all states to do this. My question is this: what is unconstitutional about it? private employers have the OPTION to drug test as a way to weed out those who will be working with their 'customers' its a different scenario than those who are supposed to be HELPING people with financial need,,,, its unconstitutional because welfare is a government program, it is government money and it is a way of discriminating against one group of recipients of government money as opposed to ALL recipients of government money,,,it could be considered illegal search but perhaps we will follow suit by ordering RANDOM alcohol testing of all people driving on (government funded) roads,,,,testing that will be required to be PAID FOR by those randome folks,,,,, Everything you wrote is typical liberal hogwash and I'll have none of it. Drug test the welfare brats, it'll save us some money! The part in bold is the only valid part in the statement. The rest of the statement, I challenged her to force Kentucky and Florida to stop their "unconstitutional" actions. The rest is opinion and already changed to, maybe it's not unconstitutional but, ____________________. already posted a million different ways what I feel about how we define things by the constitution as well as how it is constantly inerpreted and re interpreted into law it is a FACT, that it has yet to be determined unconstitional, that does not mean it wont be at some point in time you are correct though, this is mostly my opinion along with everyone elses when it comes to what they feel should be 'rights' and how they interpret the constitution,,, I feel its very much discrimination to single out one group receiving funds and not others when those politicians (who also receive tax money) step up to pay for random tests, when those on social security pay for random tests, when teachers and researchers step up to pay for random tests,,,I wont be able to argue discrimination but for now, the argument is very valid and easily considered in the interpretation of The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated What one group is singled out? Drug users come in all races. Any one that has paid into the SS system isn't receiving free help. They worked for it. There are some, who never worked a day and are receiving disability. Yes, they should be tested for illicit drugs. Veterans don't get a choice as to whether they can do illicit drugs. If any show up on the routine exams, they are dropped and in some cases prosecuted for whatever particular drug. BTW. Welfare is not a right. neither is a pension, or disability, or a political career they are 'safety net' programs and career CHOICES those on welfare worked for it too and will work for it again,, but when they worked for it it was to help OTHERS, just like others need to understand there is a time for them to help in return,,,, That Obozo BS stinks to high heaven! Let's all quit work and let the govt support us! Seems to be the only class of people with merit in your eyes! Leeches, slackers and thieves on a very large scale, few deserve it, most don't! not even close,, 13 percent of the budget goes to safety net programs and MOST of those labeled 'welfare' require 'work' of some sort on the part of the recipients,,, its not been set up for 'slackers' in quite a while,,,, the average american will have to work (and pay into) 'the system' for at least forty years of their life, taxes that will benefit all types of 'other' americans in some way or another at some point or another a safety net for those occasions over a lifetime that any of those americans may need some of that 'benefit' themself is 'worked' for over their lifetime in america,,, |
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If they have nothing to hide they shouldn't mind being tested. As a recipient of my taxes, I demand proof it isn't going to drugs.
Sorry msharmony, but you are wrong (imo) on this one. You are trying to enable their habits. They do sell for 50 cents on the dollar so they can buy cigarettes...money that should be spent feeding their kids. But cigarettes are a harder habit to break than heroin, doctors say. |
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If they have nothing to hide they shouldn't mind being tested. As a recipient of my taxes, I demand proof it isn't going to drugs. Sorry msharmony, but you are wrong (imo) on this one. You are trying to enable their habits. They do sell for 50 cents on the dollar so they can buy cigarettes...money that should be spent feeding their kids. But cigarettes are a harder habit to break than heroin, doctors say. Im not trying to enable anything. Im stating that the requirements in place would already WEED out most that have any damaging habits. And that taxpayer money goes to SEVERAL Things and benefits much more than just welfare recipients so singling them out to 'demand' they be tested is prejudicial and discriminatory unless we 'demand' it of all who get benefits from taxpayer money. And that MORE Of that taxpayer money people are so concerned about being 'wasted' on those using, would be 'wasted' on testing all the random people who arent so it defeats even the financial argument for testing. |
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Well I'm like sojourning, I get tested by the VA all the time too. And when I was in the military they always lined us up and tested us.
Maybe the money spent on war on drugs could be used to test everybody (not being tested at work) to enable them for their benefits? Even drawing my social security, which is not an entitlement, I had to undergo a physical by doctors (the VA) to verify my disability. I don't see anything wrong in requiring testing for people getting a "free" hand-out. A few bad apples spoiled the barrel, you know? |
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Well I'm like sojourning, I get tested by the VA all the time too. And when I was in the military they always lined us up and tested us. Maybe the money spent on war on drugs could be used to test everybody (not being tested at work) to enable them for their benefits? Even drawing my social security, which is not an entitlement, I had to undergo a physical by doctors (the VA) to verify my disability. I don't see anything wrong in requiring testing for people getting a "free" hand-out. A few bad apples spoiled the barrel, you know? I Truly dont, but if people want to waste billions of dollars of testing on what amounts to hundreds of thousands of dollars lost on 'spoiled apples' thats the taxpayers perogative I suppose,,,, |
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Lol Ron Paul.. This is a great way to "weed" out those deserving of a handout as opposed to the other slackers who are even lazier. Great way to keep taxes down as well. Anyone so quick to defend the welfare class should go under the bridge and spend time with them. They sell their EBT for .50 on the dollar, they use their handout for pills and such, they basically don't care about improving themselves as long as the Liberal Government keeps supporting them. That's MY money they're blowing, hell yes test their lazy butts. You laugh at Paul, I welcome you to mingle anyway, and totally agree with your statement as I have worked with those "under the bridge" people. Many are veterans sadly, unable to cope, allowed to slip thru the cracks of society. Ron Paul is history Mister. And the bridge dwellers aren't all vets. One can only slip thru societal cracks only if they choose to. it really is pretty simple... if you want the government to help you, don't do drugs.... whats so hard about that people? make your choice, feeding your kids or doing drugs? I totally agree, I dont do drugs, yet I find it offensive that those who need assistance must go through testing to receive it I dont smoke pot, but I find it offensive that alcohol and tobacco are so widely accepted while pot is illegal I usually sit at the back of a bus, but I would find it offensive if it was REQUIRED And the choice taken from me ,,,,people shouldnt be doing drugs, they also shouldnt be singled out for drug testing because they receive government money unless ALL groups who receive government money are required to do the same testing,,, i do smoke weed, and if i wanted government money, i would quit. i don't see where you sit on the bus has anything to do with this, and all groups that receive welfare are told not to do drugs. here in Texas, if a woman gets on WIC, designed for mothers, either pregnant or with kids under 12 or so, are not required to take a drug test. But, when they go to the doctor,(which WIC would pay for, it is required) they automatically get a drug test, and if drugs are found in her system, she is prosecuted and cannot have the WIC services anymore. Is that fair to the kids? no, they will probably be taken from her. so with everything at stake, why would she do drugs? even to get food stamps, you cannot have been arrested for drugs, ever, or you won't get them... these are laws allready in place, so how is this different? |
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Well I'm like sojourning, I get tested by the VA all the time too. And when I was in the military they always lined us up and tested us. Maybe the money spent on war on drugs could be used to test everybody (not being tested at work) to enable them for their benefits? Even drawing my social security, which is not an entitlement, I had to undergo a physical by doctors (the VA) to verify my disability. I don't see anything wrong in requiring testing for people getting a "free" hand-out. A few bad apples spoiled the barrel, you know? I Truly dont, but if people want to waste billions of dollars of testing on what amounts to hundreds of thousands of dollars lost on 'spoiled apples' thats the taxpayers perogative I suppose,,,, Yes, that's it. The Tax Payers. The ones who actually pay for those programs are really the only ones who have a valid say in making sure their money doesn't buy drugs. You never answered a question. What ethnic group is the only group on welfare that does drugs? You said something about discrimination. BTW. It won't be a waste of money as oBlowme will get the credit for creating jobs and saving Tax Payers money. That might save his a$$ come Nov. But, I doubt it.
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Lol Ron Paul.. This is a great way to "weed" out those deserving of a handout as opposed to the other slackers who are even lazier. Great way to keep taxes down as well. Anyone so quick to defend the welfare class should go under the bridge and spend time with them. They sell their EBT for .50 on the dollar, they use their handout for pills and such, they basically don't care about improving themselves as long as the Liberal Government keeps supporting them. That's MY money they're blowing, hell yes test their lazy butts. Right on sista! 
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Msharmony wasn't talking about race regardng her discrimination claim. She meant the other programs in place, the ones those taxpayers had put money into up until they retired. Why should they be tested for money they are entitled to? It came out of their paychecks. Welfare bums DON'T WORK. Tell me how they are entitled to/put their money into it? How do you put govt money handouts back into a govt program? They don't. They pisss it away.
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Thu 06/14/12 09:46 AM
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There are many other abuses of the system besides drugs! The whole system needs to be put to some serious oversight!
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/05/29/food-stamps-used-to-buy-lobsters-and-steaks/ |
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