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Topic: 50 reasons to be ashamed (and not a fan) of Jesus
RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Thu 05/31/12 04:34 PM
So now science has to prove where God came from and what happened before the big bang.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 05/31/12 04:35 PM
Do you think love is a competition? See who can get who to love who most? Please Funches, that's elementary right there. Love is to be shared with everyone. There is no such thing as loving "more". It's either there, or it's not. No fine lines. There is no "well I love her with 40% of my heart, but I love this other one with 60%. You either love and care for someone or you don't. apparently it is a competition ...it was Jesus that demand that you must Love him above all others including your children.....what type of parent would do that ..loving someone they never met over their children ...total insanity You keep saying "never met" which is a total lie. For again I've told you Jesus walks beside us, he talks to us, he helps us. But still, there is no competition. Jesus tells us to love him, yes. But that is only because he wants a relationship with us. There is no relationship if only he loves us but not us him. People who believe in imaginary beings are delusional People who talk to imaginary beings are delusional People who believe in imaginary superstitions are delusional Delusion--a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact. The idea that an imaginary friend walks beside us and talks to us is classified as a Psychosis.... an entire imaginary, delusional belief system it is a form of psychosis cause even in the creationism vs evolution thread they claim something can't come from nothing but yet their creator has always existed makes no sense. Why does it make no sense? How does it not? Can you not fanthem something/someone that has always been? No i can't because it was stated by a believer that something cannot come from nothing.So it was explained what God supposively is but not where he came from. Because you're trying to find a question that has no answer. God didn't "come" from anything. He has always been and always will be. He has not start and finish as we do on this Earth. God is the beginning and the end, on in other words, there is no before God and there is no after.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Thu 05/31/12 04:35 PM
Do you think love is a competition? See who can get who to love who most? Please Funches, that's elementary right there. Love is to be shared with everyone. There is no such thing as loving "more". It's either there, or it's not. No fine lines. There is no "well I love her with 40% of my heart, but I love this other one with 60%. You either love and care for someone or you don't. apparently it is a competition ...it was Jesus that demand that you must Love him above all others including your children.....what type of parent would do that ..loving someone they never met over their children ...total insanity You keep saying "never met" which is a total lie. For again I've told you Jesus walks beside us, he talks to us, he helps us. But still, there is no competition. Jesus tells us to love him, yes. But that is only because he wants a relationship with us. There is no relationship if only he loves us but not us him. People who believe in imaginary beings are delusional People who talk to imaginary beings are delusional People who believe in imaginary superstitions are delusional Delusion--a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact. The idea that an imaginary friend walks beside us and talks to us is classified as a Psychosis.... an entire imaginary, delusional belief system it is a form of psychosis cause even in the creationism vs evolution thread they claim something can't come from nothing but yet their creator has always existed makes no sense. Why does it make no sense? How does it not? Can you not fanthem something/someone that has always been? but you cannot possibly know that unless you are eternal yourself... faith is just guessing and hoping you are right, not much else. even through science, they cannot know where or when the universe began, or even how. it is all just a guess.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Thu 05/31/12 04:37 PM
Do you think love is a competition? See who can get who to love who most? Please Funches, that's elementary right there. Love is to be shared with everyone. There is no such thing as loving "more". It's either there, or it's not. No fine lines. There is no "well I love her with 40% of my heart, but I love this other one with 60%. You either love and care for someone or you don't. apparently it is a competition ...it was Jesus that demand that you must Love him above all others including your children.....what type of parent would do that ..loving someone they never met over their children ...total insanity You keep saying "never met" which is a total lie. For again I've told you Jesus walks beside us, he talks to us, he helps us. But still, there is no competition. Jesus tells us to love him, yes. But that is only because he wants a relationship with us. There is no relationship if only he loves us but not us him. People who believe in imaginary beings are delusional People who talk to imaginary beings are delusional People who believe in imaginary superstitions are delusional Delusion--a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact. The idea that an imaginary friend walks beside us and talks to us is classified as a Psychosis.... an entire imaginary, delusional belief system it is a form of psychosis cause even in the creationism vs evolution thread they claim something can't come from nothing but yet their creator has always existed makes no sense. Why does it make no sense? How does it not? Can you not fanthem something/someone that has always been? No i can't because it was stated by a believer that something cannot come from nothing.So it was explained what God supposively is but not where he came from. Because you're trying to find a question that has no answer. God didn't "come" from anything. He has always been and always will be. He has not start and finish as we do on this Earth. God is the beginning and the end, on in other words, there is no before God and there is no after. How do you know this.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 05/31/12 04:37 PM
So now science has to prove where God came from and what happened before the big bang. Science can't even cure the common cold, you truly think they could ever figure out what happened before the big bang? If there was in fact a "big bang"... The big bang "theory" is just that, a theory. Nothing more then an educated guess. Not denouncing science one bit, it has brought a lot of good things into this world, just pointing out, it is nevertheless a theory, not a fact.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 05/31/12 04:41 PM
Do you think love is a competition? See who can get who to love who most? Please Funches, that's elementary right there. Love is to be shared with everyone. There is no such thing as loving "more". It's either there, or it's not. No fine lines. There is no "well I love her with 40% of my heart, but I love this other one with 60%. You either love and care for someone or you don't. apparently it is a competition ...it was Jesus that demand that you must Love him above all others including your children.....what type of parent would do that ..loving someone they never met over their children ...total insanity You keep saying "never met" which is a total lie. For again I've told you Jesus walks beside us, he talks to us, he helps us. But still, there is no competition. Jesus tells us to love him, yes. But that is only because he wants a relationship with us. There is no relationship if only he loves us but not us him. People who believe in imaginary beings are delusional People who talk to imaginary beings are delusional People who believe in imaginary superstitions are delusional Delusion--a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact. The idea that an imaginary friend walks beside us and talks to us is classified as a Psychosis.... an entire imaginary, delusional belief system it is a form of psychosis cause even in the creationism vs evolution thread they claim something can't come from nothing but yet their creator has always existed makes no sense. Why does it make no sense? How does it not? Can you not fanthem something/someone that has always been? No i can't because it was stated by a believer that something cannot come from nothing.So it was explained what God supposively is but not where he came from. Because you're trying to find a question that has no answer. God didn't "come" from anything. He has always been and always will be. He has not start and finish as we do on this Earth. God is the beginning and the end, on in other words, there is no before God and there is no after. How do you know this. Because God has told us, ----- Revelation 22:13 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. ------ Now if you wish to believe that or not is up to you. If you wish to give credibility to those words of actually having been said with all honesty, that is entirely up to you again. But we have been informed, do with what you will with the knowledge.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Thu 05/31/12 04:42 PM
So now science has to prove where God came from and what happened before the big bang. Science can't even cure the common cold, you truly think they could ever figure out what happened before the big bang? If there was in fact a "big bang"... The big bang "theory" is just that, a theory. Nothing more then an educated guess. Not denouncing science one bit, it has brought a lot of good things into this world, just pointing out, it is nevertheless a theory, not a fact. yes, thats what i was saying... i don't believe the big bang theory myself, i think the universe is just a big recycle bin, were suns and worlds get used and reborn in time... thats why it is hard for me to believe in a god/gods...

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 05/31/12 04:42 PM
Do you think love is a competition? See who can get who to love who most? Please Funches, that's elementary right there. Love is to be shared with everyone. There is no such thing as loving "more". It's either there, or it's not. No fine lines. There is no "well I love her with 40% of my heart, but I love this other one with 60%. You either love and care for someone or you don't. apparently it is a competition ...it was Jesus that demand that you must Love him above all others including your children.....what type of parent would do that ..loving someone they never met over their children ...total insanity You keep saying "never met" which is a total lie. For again I've told you Jesus walks beside us, he talks to us, he helps us. But still, there is no competition. Jesus tells us to love him, yes. But that is only because he wants a relationship with us. There is no relationship if only he loves us but not us him. People who believe in imaginary beings are delusional People who talk to imaginary beings are delusional People who believe in imaginary superstitions are delusional Delusion--a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact. The idea that an imaginary friend walks beside us and talks to us is classified as a Psychosis.... an entire imaginary, delusional belief system it is a form of psychosis cause even in the creationism vs evolution thread they claim something can't come from nothing but yet their creator has always existed makes no sense. Why does it make no sense? How does it not? Can you not fanthem something/someone that has always been? but you cannot possibly know that unless you are eternal yourself... faith is just guessing and hoping you are right, not much else. even through science, they cannot know where or when the universe began, or even how. it is all just a guess. Faith is hope that it is true. Just as people do with history. Just because they say things that happened in history are the truth, doesn't make them so. Again, not denouncing anything. Just showing that people live by more faith then they realize. Yes they may have "evidence", but still one is putting faith in the evidence to be sincere.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Thu 05/31/12 04:43 PM
So now science has to prove where God came from and what happened before the big bang. Science can't even cure the common cold, you truly think they could ever figure out what happened before the big bang? If there was in fact a "big bang"... The big bang "theory" is just that, a theory. Nothing more then an educated guess. Not denouncing science one bit, it has brought a lot of good things into this world, just pointing out, it is nevertheless a theory, not a fact. And God is a theory.Cause if you can only tell me he exist by a bias book and your word then he is a theory.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Thu 05/31/12 04:45 PM Edited by RKISIT on Thu 05/31/12 04:47 PM
So now science has to prove where God came from and what happened before the big bang. Science can't even cure the common cold, you truly think they could ever figure out what happened before the big bang? If there was in fact a "big bang"... The big bang "theory" is just that, a theory. Nothing more then an educated guess. Not denouncing science one bit, it has brought a lot of good things into this world, just pointing out, it is nevertheless a theory, not a fact. yes, thats what i was saying... i don't believe the big bang theory myself, i think the universe is just a big recycle bin, were suns and worlds get used and reborn in time... thats why it is hard for me to believe in a god/gods... I agree i'm not 100% certain about the big bang either.I was just using it as an example.Actually i think if they start focusing on things like neutrinos and elementary particles they maybe able to figure something out.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 05/31/12 04:46 PM
So now science has to prove where God came from and what happened before the big bang. Science can't even cure the common cold, you truly think they could ever figure out what happened before the big bang? If there was in fact a "big bang"... The big bang "theory" is just that, a theory. Nothing more then an educated guess. Not denouncing science one bit, it has brought a lot of good things into this world, just pointing out, it is nevertheless a theory, not a fact. yes, thats what i was saying... i don't believe the big bang theory myself, i think the universe is just a big recycle bin, were suns and worlds get used and reborn in time... thats why it is hard for me to believe in a god/gods... Just courious, if the univers is just a big recycle bin, where are say remains on other planets? That would be a huge finding, if they found remains on another planet, bones, fossils, ect. And if they get used and reborn, why only one planet at a time? Yes there are superstitions of aliens "rosewell and such", but there is no real evidence to this. And yes there are UFO's, I'll totally agree. U.nidentified F.lying O.bject.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 05/31/12 04:48 PM
So now science has to prove where God came from and what happened before the big bang. Science can't even cure the common cold, you truly think they could ever figure out what happened before the big bang? If there was in fact a "big bang"... The big bang "theory" is just that, a theory. Nothing more then an educated guess. Not denouncing science one bit, it has brought a lot of good things into this world, just pointing out, it is nevertheless a theory, not a fact. And God is a theory.Cause if you can only tell me he exist by a bias book and your word then he is a theory. Ah, but finding God is a personal experience. One can not show another God, only the path to this finding. If one is truly seeking God, they will find God. And the bible isn't biased. The bible is a gather accumulation of many books written at different times by many different people. Before it was gathered up. Take the book of Matthew, he had never read the book of Mark when he wrote what he wrote. They were not "books" at the time they were written. So again, I ask, how could they be "biased" to support a specific thing when they knew not of one another?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 05/31/12 04:50 PM
So now science has to prove where God came from and what happened before the big bang. Science can't even cure the common cold, you truly think they could ever figure out what happened before the big bang? If there was in fact a "big bang"... The big bang "theory" is just that, a theory. Nothing more then an educated guess. Not denouncing science one bit, it has brought a lot of good things into this world, just pointing out, it is nevertheless a theory, not a fact. yes, thats what i was saying... i don't believe the big bang theory myself, i think the universe is just a big recycle bin, were suns and worlds get used and reborn in time... thats why it is hard for me to believe in a god/gods... I agree i'm not 100% certain about the big bang either.I was just using it as an example.Actually i think if they start focusing on things like neutrinos and elementary particles they maybe able to figure something out. I'll go hypothetical here. Say they do find something in the elementary particles, or atleast say they do. You taking it as fact, is taken on faith unless you did the exact same experiments with the exact same particles as those scientists did/do. Outside of that, you are taking what they tell you on faith.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Thu 05/31/12 04:55 PM
So now science has to prove where God came from and what happened before the big bang. Science can't even cure the common cold, you truly think they could ever figure out what happened before the big bang? If there was in fact a "big bang"... The big bang "theory" is just that, a theory. Nothing more then an educated guess. Not denouncing science one bit, it has brought a lot of good things into this world, just pointing out, it is nevertheless a theory, not a fact. yes, thats what i was saying... i don't believe the big bang theory myself, i think the universe is just a big recycle bin, were suns and worlds get used and reborn in time... thats why it is hard for me to believe in a god/gods... I agree i'm not 100% certain about the big bang either.I was just using it as an example.Actually i think if they start focusing on things like neutrinos and elementary particles they maybe able to figure something out. I'll go hypothetical here. Say they do find something in the elementary particles, or atleast say they do. You taking it as fact, is taken on faith unless you did the exact same experiments with the exact same particles as those scientists did/do. Outside of that, you are taking what they tell you on faith. elementary particles exist,physicist say they came from the energy of the big bang.Energy creates matter but matter can create energy.,but matter isn't eternal...but if matter can constantly reproduce itself then it could be eternal

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 05/31/12 04:57 PM
So now science has to prove where God came from and what happened before the big bang. Science can't even cure the common cold, you truly think they could ever figure out what happened before the big bang? If there was in fact a "big bang"... The big bang "theory" is just that, a theory. Nothing more then an educated guess. Not denouncing science one bit, it has brought a lot of good things into this world, just pointing out, it is nevertheless a theory, not a fact. yes, thats what i was saying... i don't believe the big bang theory myself, i think the universe is just a big recycle bin, were suns and worlds get used and reborn in time... thats why it is hard for me to believe in a god/gods... I agree i'm not 100% certain about the big bang either.I was just using it as an example.Actually i think if they start focusing on things like neutrinos and elementary particles they maybe able to figure something out. I'll go hypothetical here. Say they do find something in the elementary particles, or atleast say they do. You taking it as fact, is taken on faith unless you did the exact same experiments with the exact same particles as those scientists did/do. Outside of that, you are taking what they tell you on faith. elementary particles exist,physicist say they came from the energy of the big bang.Energy creates matter but matter can create energy.,but matter isn't eternal...but if matter can constantly reproduce itself then it could be eternal Just another courious question, have you studied this yourself? Found these findings percisely yourself? Or taking what a scientist says on faith? And even if this where true, not saying it's not. It doesn't discount God, just shows the outcome of his creation.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 05/31/12 05:00 PM
So now science has to prove where God came from and what happened before the big bang. Science can't even cure the common cold, you truly think they could ever figure out what happened before the big bang? If there was in fact a "big bang"... The big bang "theory" is just that, a theory. Nothing more then an educated guess. Not denouncing science one bit, it has brought a lot of good things into this world, just pointing out, it is nevertheless a theory, not a fact. yes, thats what i was saying... i don't believe the big bang theory myself, i think the universe is just a big recycle bin, were suns and worlds get used and reborn in time... thats why it is hard for me to believe in a god/gods... I agree i'm not 100% certain about the big bang either.I was just using it as an example.Actually i think if they start focusing on things like neutrinos and elementary particles they maybe able to figure something out. I'll go hypothetical here. Say they do find something in the elementary particles, or atleast say they do. You taking it as fact, is taken on faith unless you did the exact same experiments with the exact same particles as those scientists did/do. Outside of that, you are taking what they tell you on faith. elementary particles exist,physicist say they came from the energy of the big bang.Energy creates matter but matter can create energy.,but matter isn't eternal...but if matter can constantly reproduce itself then it could be eternal Just another courious question, have you studied this yourself? Found these findings percisely yourself? Or taking what a scientist says on faith? And even if this where true, not saying it's not. It doesn't discount God, just shows the outcome of his creation. And beyond that, just another hypothetical comment. The big bang could very well be true. The scriptures tell us God created the world, but it doesn't go into great detail on how he accomplished this.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Thu 05/31/12 05:04 PM Edited by RKISIT on Thu 05/31/12 05:05 PM
So now science has to prove where God came from and what happened before the big bang. Science can't even cure the common cold, you truly think they could ever figure out what happened before the big bang? If there was in fact a "big bang"... The big bang "theory" is just that, a theory. Nothing more then an educated guess. Not denouncing science one bit, it has brought a lot of good things into this world, just pointing out, it is nevertheless a theory, not a fact. what i typed about the elementary particle thingy is coming from someone who is into astronomy not cosmology cosmologist are the guys who study the evolution of the entire universe i just study whats already here. yes, thats what i was saying... i don't believe the big bang theory myself, i think the universe is just a big recycle bin, were suns and worlds get used and reborn in time... thats why it is hard for me to believe in a god/gods... I agree i'm not 100% certain about the big bang either.I was just using it as an example.Actually i think if they start focusing on things like neutrinos and elementary particles they maybe able to figure something out. I'll go hypothetical here. Say they do find something in the elementary particles, or atleast say they do. You taking it as fact, is taken on faith unless you did the exact same experiments with the exact same particles as those scientists did/do. Outside of that, you are taking what they tell you on faith. elementary particles exist,physicist say they came from the energy of the big bang.Energy creates matter but matter can create energy.,but matter isn't eternal...but if matter can constantly reproduce itself then it could be eternal Just another courious question, have you studied this yourself? Found these findings percisely yourself? Or taking what a scientist says on faith? And even if this where true, not saying it's not. It doesn't discount God, just shows the outcome of his creation. And beyond that, just another hypothetical comment. The big bang could very well be true. The scriptures tell us God created the world, but it doesn't go into great detail on how he accomplished this. what i typed about the elementary particle thingy is coming from someone who is into astronomy not cosmology cosmologist are the guys who study the evolution of the entire universe i just study whats already here.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 05/31/12 05:08 PM
So no, there is no Cowboy 1, Cowboy 2, ect.. just your missunderstanding and wishing to cause a disturbance. Much love to you my friend. Cowboy...the disturbance came when you lied about meeting Jesus to justify why you would tell a child that you loved someone else more than them but since a person having a delusional episode believes the delusion to be real ...then for the sake of argument let's say that you have met Jesus... for you as a parent to tell your child that you love someone else more than them, would still constitute as being Hate and mental abuse ...would you actually dare to disagree with that? and this is what Jesus was trying to display in that passage...that those that would resort to such behavior towards their own family can be his disciples because they didn't know how to Love and once one know Love, they wouldn't need to follow Jesus any longer think of being a follower of Jesus as a sort of Purgatory until one understand Love and can get out

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 05/31/12 06:54 PM
So no, there is no Cowboy 1, Cowboy 2, ect.. just your missunderstanding and wishing to cause a disturbance. Much love to you my friend. Cowboy...the disturbance came when you lied about meeting Jesus to justify why you would tell a child that you loved someone else more than them but since a person having a delusional episode believes the delusion to be real ...then for the sake of argument let's say that you have met Jesus... for you as a parent to tell your child that you love someone else more than them, would still constitute as being Hate and mental abuse ...would you actually dare to disagree with that? and this is what Jesus was trying to display in that passage...that those that would resort to such behavior towards their own family can be his disciples because they didn't know how to Love and once one know Love, they wouldn't need to follow Jesus any longer think of being a follower of Jesus as a sort of Purgatory until one understand Love and can get out No it's not lol. There is no loving another more then another. With your way of thinking, every family in the world is causing mental trauma to their children. Say a family has 4 kids. With what you're saying is, one child will feel mental anguish cause the parents love the other 3 more then them. No Funches lol, there is no grading scale for love eg., loving this person more then that other person. You either love someone or you don't.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 06/01/12 06:16 AM
No it's not lol. There is no loving another more then another. With your way of thinking, every family in the world is causing mental trauma to their children. Say a family has 4 kids. With what you're saying is, one child will feel mental anguish cause the parents love the other 3 more then them. No Funches lol, there is no grading scale for love eg., loving this person more then that other person. You either love someone or you don't. Cowboy....if there were no grading scale then Jesus wouldn't demand that you love him above your children in order to be his disciple but the fact that you have it within yourself to tell a child that you love them less then the other three children and not see it as abuse ....is exactly the type of people Jesus is looking for to be his disciples Jesus was trying to send a message that it apparent that you are ashame of....that you have to lack empathy to be his disciple ..I mean how else are you going to be able to tolerate it as he toss your family, friends and Children into the Lake of Fire ..unless you had a "Lack of Empathy" so I guess it's now time to ask the eternal question to see if you as a claimant of being a Christian meet with the qualifications to be a disciple of Jesus THE QUESTION would you love Jesus above your own children ...yes or no?