Personally why should I care what an atheist thinks about my faith?? I for one am not going to get upset about what someone else thinks when I know how I feel, and what my faith is!!

I realize, as Spidercmb, once reminded me,

there are those who use these forums for trolling.

Having no particular point in their rantings,

just trying to get attention.

Ignorant that they are being used by satan himself.


Their motives are to disrespect Holy and sacred things.

The Bible says, satan knows his time is short...he has employed more

workers in these last days. Atheism is multiplying.

He uses those who want a sense of power.

It makes them feel courageous that they can spout these things

and not instantly see the wrath of God come down on them.

Trying to deceive those who won't read the Bible for themselves.

They don't read it themselves.

They skim the internet for any negative material they can find just

to get a rise out of whomever will interact with them.


God is merciful, and many are unable to fathom His longsuffering...

not wishing that any should perish.

Understanding is a gift from God.

I pray that the evil spirit be removed from those who will receive God's

mercy and forgiveness and understanding...In Jesus Name, Amen!



Anyway, for those who want a true understanding, I wish to share this article from www.gotquestions.org:


Question:
"Why did Jesus say, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?""

Answer:
“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice,
saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?
that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46).
This cry is a fulfillment of Psalm 22:1,
one of many parallels between that psalm and the specific events of the crucifixion.

It has been difficult to understand in what sense Jesus was “forsaken” by God.
It is certain that God approved His work.
It is certain that He was innocent.
He had done nothing to forfeit the favor of God.

As His own Son - holy, harmless, undefiled, and obedient - God still loved Him.
In none of these senses could God have forsaken Him.

However,

Isaiah tells us that “he BORE OUR GRIEFS and CARRIED OUR SORROWS;

that HE WAS WOUNDED FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS, and BRUISED FOR OUR INIQUITIES;

that the CHASTISEMENT OF OUR PEACE WAS LAID UPON HIM; that by HIS STRIPES we are healed” (Isaiah 53:4-5).

HE REDEEMED US from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us (Galatians 3:13).

He was made a sin-offering, and He died in our place, on our account,
that He might bring us near to God.

It was this,
doubtless, which caused His intense sufferings.

It was the manifestation of God’s hatred of sin, in some way which He has not explained,
that Jesus experienced in that terrible hour.
It was suffering endured by Him that was due to us, and suffering by which, and by which alone,
we can be saved from eternal death.


In those awful moments,
Jesus was expressing His feelings of abandonment as God placed the sins of the world on Him –
and because of that had to “turn away” from Jesus.

As Jesus was feeling that weight of sin,
He was experiencing separation from God for the only time in all of eternity.
It was at this time that 2 Corinthians 5:21 occurred, “God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us,
so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.”

Jesus became sin for us,
so He felt the loneliness and abandonment that sin always produces, except that in His case,

it was not His sin – it was ours.

www.gotquestions.org

first of all i'm not a troll,second of all christianity and islam are really 100% meaningless to me cause i actually rather debate the beginning of the whole entire Abrahamic religion mythology trilogy, thats the old testament which is primarly where this all started.

I'm not like the OP either stating hate jesus or whatever i just bluntly type what i think about the entire Abrahamic trilogy and the point it was written by man and that theres no physical evidence of God,King David,Hebrew Exodus..etc.I'd rather debate that.This is the religion forum to debate about religion.

i will never repent cause theres no divine deity to repent to.I will never accept Jesus as my lord and savior cause really theres no physical evidence he existed either and i'm not a christian and never will be a christian nor will i ever be a Jew and i will never be a Muslim.

Ignorant that they are being used by satan himself.
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ignorant my a$$ satan goes on the list as myth too.Why would i believe theres a satan when i don't believe theres a god?Can't have one w/o the other.

First off, the term "trinity" is not in the scriptures. So therefore no the scriptures do not support the term "trinity". Trinity is a way to explain the relation between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost in simple terms. And yes it is supported by the scriptures with things as "The Father and I are one" and "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Secondly, the my God, my God thingy was not taken from proverbs.



Mark 15:34
34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Because it's not exact 100% acurate to explain the relation using the term "trinity". Again, that specific term is not used in the scriptures. It is a man made term, to help explain the relation between the three on the usual day. So no, for those three days, there was no "trinity" while Jesus was in hell for us. But none the less, death could not hold Jesus' soul and he defeated death for us all, and was resurrected to return to his father.

FWIW, I encourage those interested in understanding the scriptures read the writings of the church fathers. I'm now Russian Orthodox, and I find this a much better way to understand than the methods used by most protestants and evangelicals. The Orthodox study bible is available and quite affordable: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0718003594/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER


From the writings of St. Symeon the New Theologian:


We should look upon all the faithful as one person and consider that Christ is in each one of them. We should have such love for them that we are ready to sacrifice our very lives for them. For it is incumbent upon us neither to say, nor think of any person as evil, but we must look upon everyone as good. If you see a brother afflicted with a passion, do not hate him. Hate the passion that makes war upon him. And if you see him being terrorized by the habits and desires of previous sins, have compassion on him. Maybe you too will be afflicted by temptation, since you are also made from matter that easily turns from good to evil. Love towards your brother prepares you to love God even more. The secret, therefore, of love towards God is love towards your brother. For if you don’t love your brother whom you see, how is it possible to love God whom you do not see?

"For he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God Whom he has not seen” (1 John 4:20).


Enjoy your intellectual and spiritual adventures!

Secondly, the my God, my God thingy was not taken from proverbs.



Mark 15:34
34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
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I stand correted it isn't in proverbs it's in the other "P" psalm 22:1 i got psalms and proverbs mixed up,big deal i read the bible once or twice and mixed up proverbs and psalm.I knew it was in Mark and Matthew in the New Testament,but it's also in Psalms in the old testament before Jesus.

Now as for jesus going to hell,thats another additional man made story,here we go again with which creed you choose to believe from the story that man created.The story of jesus going to hell is an additional story made up by man.You have the Apostles creed after the bible was written and theres no evidence that any apostles even wrote it.

Before I was being lazy, but I thought I'd check it out today. The Psalms 22:1 isn't even Jesus speaking, what are you talking about?

Should have given the clue it wasn't Jesus speaking in verse 4, "OUR Fathers trusted in thee:..."

No evidence you say?


Matthew 12:40
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

And what was his reasoning of going to Hell you may ask? Noticed 19.


1 Peter 3:18-20

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Cowboy i always believed that back in the day people thought hell was the core of our earth but we know now it isn't so that verse is kind of proving what i knew,so now since the center of our earth isn't hell where satan lives,where does it state that jesus went to Hell in the bible?

Who says Hell isn't in the center of the Earth? The core of the Earth fits perfectly with the discription of Hell. Fire and brimstone. How would these people know in the center of the Earth there was motlen lava and things of that nature?

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Romans 10:6-7
6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep?
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Shall descend into the deep, pointing to once again the center of the Earth.
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One more on the location of Hell,


Ezekiel 32:18
18 Son of man, wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit.


Nether parts of the Earth... "Down" into the pit.

Cowboy why isn't the creation of hell mentioned in genesis if God created everything.Remember satan fell before adam and eve were created so where is hell exactly?Remember the Hebrews didn't believe there was a hell.

Because Genesis is the knowledge of our creation and the creation of the world.

Synonyms of genesis are - origin - birth - rise - provenance - origination

It is the origin of our creation.

well I guess that explains why I'm not a Christian....because I don't hate my family

imagine having to hate your family and oneself in order to meet the criteria of being a follower .....

but this isn't reason enough to defriend Jesus...and it's not Jesus's fault...because Jesus didn't command that his followers hate themselves and their family members....Jesus merely suggested that if you already hate yourself, your life and your family then you can hang around him

in other words...you already have to be screwed up

and this would explain why Jesus never called Mary "Mother" ... because he hated her

but this could be used as a legal loophole on Judgement Day, all you have to do is tell God, I did my best but I just couldn't find reasons enough to hate myself and my family.....sorry...my bad

honor thy mother and they father,,,,,its one of Gods commandments

I dont think 'hate' is used in the context described above as there is no place else where Jesus instructs people to hate others,,,,,and since its a clear commandmnent to honor thy mother and father,,,

but whatever floats peoples interpretive boats,,,,this thread convinces me more and more that the bible will reflect what is already in our heart, as will what we take from it,,,,

Question:

"What did Jesus mean when He instructed us hate our father and mother (Luke 14:26)?"



Answer:

First,
we must take this verse in the context of the chapter.

Jesus is teaching His disciples, and like any good teacher,
He begins with a truth statement that is hard to understand in order to get his students thinking.

Then,
he clarifies the difficult truth statement with a metaphor.

The truth statement is the confusing verse 26,
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother,
his wife and children, his brothers and sisters
—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple."

So, if we don't hate our family and our own lives, we can't be His disciple.

But does He mean we are to have real hatred for our parents?

Next,
He relates a metaphor about a man who builds a house without counting the cost
and finds that he cannot follow through with what he set out to do.
He leaves the house unfinished because he cannot pay what is required.

Jesus is showing us the explanation to His difficult statement
—that we must count the cost of discipleship.

This is the point of the passage.
In order to be a disciple, we must be willing to give up everything for Jesus.

Therefore,
if our parents will not follow Jesus, or even if they disown us for being Christians,
we must still choose Him over them.

It is in this sense that we are "hating" our family members who reject the Lord or reject us because of the Lord.

This is not easy,
and of course it is right that we should love our family members and want our family members to love and follow God.

After all,
1 John 4:7-8 says "Beloved, let us love one another for love is from God
and everyone that loves is born of God and knows God.

The one who does not love does not know God for God is love."

And that is only one of many passages commanding us to love others.
But despite our love for the people we know,

here is the key: IF THEY DON'T LOVE JESUS, HE MUST STILL BE OUR FIRST PRIOITY.

We must esteem Him higher than the people we love here on earth and we must love Him more than our own lives.

In fact, we must love Him so much that our earthly loves pale in comparison,
even to the point of seeming like hate.

Second,
let's take it in context of other places in the Bible. Matthew 19:29 says:
"And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields
for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life."

So, here is the promise:
God has required total commitment from His followers, to the point of heart-breaking separation
from any natural family members who reject Jesus, but in Heaven we will have a hundred times what we lost
—an entire family of believers who love Christ and who love us!
Even the material things that we had forsaken in order to follow Him will be given back to us
in a form a hundred times better than what we lost!

So, He is a good God, after all,
and no,
He does not want us to literally hate (viciously despise or wish harm to) the members of our family.
All we are required to do is to choose Jesus over them even if they force us to do so by rejecting Him.

Jesus may have chosen the word "hate" to show us
that this is how a mother or father will perceive the actions of a child that chooses the Lord above them.

They will see it as disloyal,
especially if we try to witness to them.

The love of a Christian for a non-Christian is almost always seen as hatred, intolerance, bigotry, etc.

But we must be okay with being seen as "hating."

After all,
our unbelieving relatives are part of the world”

and Jesus said,

“"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first” (John 15:18).


www.gotquestions.org