did he or your Mother refused to place his name on your birth certificate as being "The Father" ....do he or you scratch off Father and write dad or parent on any or all legal papers?

so it appears that only under the penalty of law does he acknowledge to be your Father ...that's sad

you asked for one verse about Jesus being afraid and hiding....now you want two verses and then three? .....one instance of a God running and hiding should be enough to understand why he wouldn't preach that he was God to the masses

He did.

and "hid"

That has nothing to do with what we're talking about. My birth certificate is a secular object. We were talking about "calling" someone something or personally referring to that one as something. Has nothing to do with a secular object.

Only from the one's that were going to stone him, for again he had more work to do on Earth. It was not time for him to return to his father.

don't your parents have "Free WIll" ...he didn't have to sign those secular objects....but he choose to because he fear the law more... and fear of the law is what forces him to acknowledge that he is your Father ...quite disenchanting for you the son

which is why he didn't teach that he was God ..because the Masses would have returned him to the father will a stone stuck to his head

What in the world are you talking about? Fearing what? What do the two have in common? Dude, come on get real. Yes, he signed a "Secular" object as "father" for there was no other options. He did not choose to be referred to as "father". It was a standard secular birth certificate.

What are you talking about? He did teach he was God. He gave us laws such as "Do not tempt the LORD, thy God" And so forth.

it appears that secular objects have the power to pop you and your Father back into the reality that he is your Father ...but yet he insist that you don't call him Father...clearly something is wrong with the Father and Son relationship

he was speaking of The Father ...or else he would had to run and hide

You are preaching a Temporal Loop. For a person trying to get to heaven it is a Catastrophic Temporal loop.

In the time of Adam,Jesus was not.

without Eve none of us would be.

Without God Adam would be not.

Attempting to place Jesus before God negates the very Advent of Jesus. Attempting to place Jesus at the Advent of Adam removes the necessity of the Advent of Jesus...

With out the Advent of Jesus mankind has no path to Glory.

You follow the snake that eats its own tail... and never gets full.

Jesus was the Alpha (the begining of the Cycle of Glory) and the Omega (end of the Cycle of Adam)...

Not the Alpha of the Cycle of God (which never ends).

Ah, but Jesus is God. Who do you think created Adam?

Genesis 2:7
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Notice "lord" God.

Now for Jesus -
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before Jesus/God or after.

That is because it does not exist. We have a dad/child or a parent/child relationship. Last response on this as this is entirely off topic and not even religion associated.

Then even further we have things as such -
Luke 4:12
12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

The Lord "thy" God. Jesus never refers to his father as our father, or our God. Only refers to himself as our God. We are not brothers with Jesus Christ.

now after your secular approach didn't work now you want to claim that the debate isn't religion related

the original post and the debate was about Jesus requiring that his disciples hate their family and theirself and their life which normally the typical teenager with acne go through

Jesus taught that only one Father existed in Heaven not that other Father didn't exist here on Earth or why would he used the term "Father" as to those that you should hate in order to be his disciple

this is why if you now wish to claim that your Father specifically telling you not to call him Father is not related to religion....then all that is left is hate and shame

hate would explain why you became a Christianly disciple of Jesus and then when I conforted you with this Father Son Hate issue then like clockwork you contradicted yourself by claiming that you weren't a Christian or followed the rituals of Christianity

Yes this is what the original post was about, which again has absolutely nothing to do with my dad not liking to be called "father".

And again, all Jesus was saying was to put him first.

since you're not a Christian nor follow the rituals of Christianity which is why you not referring to your Father as being your Father in your case has nothing to do with Jesus

also if was your Father that specifically forbid you to call him Father which means you had no choice in the matter and it once again has nothing to do with Jesus in your case

and this points to the part of the equation you left out...whether or not your Father was Christian but either way when it comes to hate it doesn't matter because

if you Father is Christian Jesus said that he must hate you in order to become a disciple which means if your Father is Christian your Father hates you

if your Father is not Christian then his demand that you do not call him Father has nothing to do with Jesus and points to hate and shame

so the most logical question to ask is...is your Father a Christian ...but it's understandable if you don't want to answer

S'up yall?