didn't one of the disciples deny Jesus three times..clearly denying that you know you leader makes you a traitor...which is why it's a betrayal

since all sins are the same...all sins are a betrayal ...perhaps that fact will stop you from believing you have some God given right to go around intentionally sinning

Jesus taught the disciples the mysteries of Heaven so they knew about Death, but when it came down to their lives...they place their love of their life above that of Jesus

therefore they could no longer meet with Jesus's demand that his followers love him above all ...they at that point in time were no longer disciples

now do you see how that works....once you start loving your life and the lives of your family friends and children above that of Jesus...you now understand what love is, and are therefore cured of hate and can no longer be a Christian disciple ...

if there is an After-Death..then there is an After-Life ...simple logic

you always hear believing claiming that they can't wait for that day....but once they get sick or get hurt what is the first thing they do...they scurry off to the doctor and do everything in their power to stop that day for taking place ....

which sort of press the point that all believers are Agnostics

What you are talknig about?

Oh I'm sorry, did a little more research. Seems Judas and Peter both "betrayed" Jesus. Judas was possessed by Satan and Peter denied Jesus 3 times to save his own rear.

And all but one sin is the same in the fact that they can be forgiven.



What are you talking about?

1. Yes Jesus did teach them the mysterious of Heaven, but that doesn't mean they put the love of their lives above Jesus. We're speaking of 2 people out of 12. And you're making it seem like all to most of his disciples did this.

2. When did they become not discples? What are you talking about again? When could they not meet?

Again, what are you talking about? People don't go to the doctor so they can live longer, per say. They go to the doctor so he can give them some medicine or something and make them feel better while they are living.

Jeez you just can't get a break on that "Free WIll" deal

if you obey God like a puppet then you have "Free Will"

but if you betray God by sinning then you're possessed by Satan and don't have "Free WIll"

in that case apparently all the disciples were possessed by Satan..because they all betrayed Jesus

only Peter out of the 12 disciples didn't betray Jesus by fleeing....Peter betrayal came in the form of denying that he knew Jesus

if they were so willing to betray Jesus the one they supposedly loved above all others...imagine the betrayal they are willing to do against their children, family and friends

this is another example of why one should place their children first above all others....if not....then seek help or don't have children

there are no Atheists in a foxhole and no Believers in the Doctor's Office

If you obey God like a puppet, you would have no free will Funches. That would be God physicallying controlling your every action. God does not do that, thus you have free will.

No, if you betray God, you have chosen to do that action. You decided to betray God, what are you talking about?

Didn't say everyone that disobeys God is possessed by Satan.


Luke 22:3
3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

Why wouldn't there be a believer in the doctor's office? God works through people.

In the land of Commandments..."Free Will" can't not exist

hummm...so people are the robots of God

Sure it can, for again you obey by choice. Regardless of the outcome of either obedience or disobedience, you still have a choice. A computer has no choice but to do what you tell it to do. A person chooses if they do it or not do it, thus free will.

No, just God gives people the things they ask and or need when they come to him for help and or guidance.

why else would a follower dare to disobey God...

Free Will and Obey is a contradiction

Free will, and pride. Same reason a child disobeys their parent. Because they choose to.

How so? You'll need to elaborate on that.

If there was no free will, there would be no need to "obey" because we would automatically do it without thought, without using our own will to do that in question.

if God works through people...then heal thyself...not run to a Doctor

so followers have the minds of children?

If someone wholeheartedly prays for being healed, they will. There are lots of healings that come from prayer. People have gotten back to walking through prayer when medical laws said they would never walk again and so on. There are many miracles out there if one pays attention.