If he had not been shot he would be be charged as an adult for assault. Equal protection under the law. Sorry, no one is held to a higher standard just becuase you think they should.

if he had not been shot, meaning if there had been no gun?

if he had not been shot we dont know what the charge would be, or whether it would have been charged as an 'adult' , especially when the other party FOLLOWED him and IF the other party provoked the fight

there would not have been a need for him to not just knock the man down and leave though, unless the man tried to continue the fight,,,

If he had not been shot he would be be charged as an adult for assault. Equal protection under the law. Sorry, no one is held to a higher standard just becuase you think they should.

Have you looked at the map fo the facility and saw where Zimmermans truck was parked vs where the altercation occured vs where Martin was staying?

By this comment I guess not. After Zimmermans and Martin lost contact with each other Martin could have easily made it home. He did not go home, he doubled back. The spot where the confrontation took place was far closer to the truck, than to where Martin was staying. Martin ran behind the buildings when they lost site of each other and if he had kept going and Zimmerman kept following they confrontation would have been much closer to Brandy Greens apartment, but it wasn't, which shows that Martin came back to the place were he lost Zimmerman.

The Narrative of Zimmerman chasing down Martin is not supported by the facts. They ended up back together where they first lost each other. Martin was the author of the confrontation he likely did not want to seem like a chicken with his girl on the line.

Your just making stuff up, following is not illegal, and assaulting someone because they follow you is not reasonable. The gun was not an element of the situation until the fight had gone to the ground.

Assault is what occurred and in Florida at 17 you are an adult for the purpose of felony assault charges.

Martin came back to confront Zimmerman after having gotten out of sight. The narrative of a poor honest child trying to run away and a mean nasty man running him down and shooting him has been thoroughly debunked.

The black man was high on weed and no telling what other kinds of halucinogens that were not tested for. Could have been crack or PCP. Probably so high like Rodney King, that only a bullet could stop him. Thank goodness Zimmerman stopped him before he could hurt others.

A 17 year old is NOT a man. He has no legal rights as an adult. He can not vote, he can not join the military, he can not have a beer...he is a minor, that makes him a child.

A friend of my son's was over 6 foot in jr. high, he was still only 15.

It's no more illogical to assume Zimmerman started this confrontation than it is to assume Martin was a thug, started it and deserved to die.

The black man was high on weed and no telling what other kinds of halucinogens that were not tested for. Could have been crack or PCP. Probably so high like Rodney King, that only a bullet could stop him. Thank goodness Zimmerman stopped him before he could hurt others.

No he is a man. A 17 year old CAN join the military, get ammancipated and also can be tried as an adult.

http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-had-traces-marijuana-system-002214340.html

there is no evidence MArtin 'came back' anywhere, he was on a path behind the homes that was going in the direction of where he was STAYING.

"Police also conclude the incident was "ultimately avoidable" had Zimmerman remained in his car that night instead of following Martin."

The law does not see minors as children. A child is a minor, but a minor is not necessarily a child. At 17 any violent felony would be tried as an adult GUARANTEED.

Your so silly.

actually, it was only THP found, no other drug, and the amount was small enough to have been from DAYS Before

irrelevant

or just as relevant as the fact that Zimmerman was operating a vehicle and carrying a loaded weapon while taking ANTI ANXIETY and SLEEPLESSNESS Medicine


,, if the defense opens those bags up,, they are going to be screwed,,basically

there is no defense they can give to support their clients actions that wont open up the opportunity for the prosecution to lay out the same argument AGAINST Zimmerman,, as the adult,, who had EVERYTHING Wrong with his past that this boy did,,,,

Look a that map. Zimmerman lost sight of Martin at the corner where the altercation took place while he was at his vehicle. If martin had kept going he would have been three quarters the way to Brandy greens house before Zimmerman rounded the corner . . . but he wasn't. Why? Because he didn't go home.

The ONLY answer is that Martin came back. Not like it matters, this whole case rests on a very tight case that requires beyond the shadow of a doubt, and there are plenty of doubts, and more than enough supporting evidence to show Zimmerman acted in self defense. The soap opera tactics non-withstanding the prosecution really has nothing.
Yea and if Martin had never been born, or if Zimmernan had been born blind, or . . . blah blah blah. Keeping an eye on a suspicious person is not against the law and if Zimmerman had been watching a rapist and followed and stopped an assault everyone would be hailing him as a hero.

Get over yourselves. Being followed is not a reason to attack someone.

For those of you who were unable to watch the bond hearing this morning for George Zimmerman -- here are some of the highlights -- and insights.

First -- the prosecution did their best to try to improperly influence the potential viewer jury pool by bringing up Zimmerman's prior arrest for battery and obstruction of justice as showing he had a "violent" nature, and therefore should not be released as he was a "danger" to the public. Instead, what we found out was that plain clothes investigators from the State Alcohol and Tobacco division grabbed one of his friends (several years ago) without identifying themselves -- and George went over to help. When he found out they were law enforcement, he immediately backed off -- although there was some very minor jostling in the process. For anyone familiar with this type of enforcement -- very typical. Even the presiding judge, Judge Kenneth Lester, Jr. -- said that. Then they raised the fact of another older incident where there were mutual injunctions when George had a scuffle with a former lady friend who had actually attacked him -- and in return, he slapped her, and pushed her off onto a bed so he could leave. Again -- more of an attack on character than having any real relevance to anything. There was also an attempt to suggest he "racially profiled" Trayvon Martin -- which was rebutted by the fact that Zimmerman had been a mentor for almost two years to two African American children in a mentoring program. (And . . . you might remember he had a number of friends on the news who were of African American origin). And -- a very big surprise move when Zimmerman actually took the stand at the end of the motion simply to apologize to the Martin family for the death of their son, and to express his sorrow. Something that appeared very sincere -- rather than as a media ploy.

What was the other "evidence"? Not much.

While it appears that Zimmerman did continue to follow Trayvon Martin after making a non-emergency call to police for a unit to investigate -- and while it also seems likely that Martin was worried about who was following him, and why -- there was no evidence to contradict that Trayvon did not confront Zimmerman in the end, or assault Zimmerman first. Nor, was there any evidence to controvert that Zimmerman had lacerations on the back of his head consistent with being pounded into concrete, had swelling on his face due to injuries, and had his nose broken . And -- while there was evidence that Trayvon's mother said she recognized the person screaming for help was Trayvon -- no other family member was able to do this. There was also important evidence that Zimmerman fired only one cartridge into Trayvon's chest at point blank range -- and according to Zimmerman's statements to police, Zimmerman pulled the firearm while he was on the ground at a point where Trayvon allegedly had both hands on Zimmerman's face. By implication -- this was obviously after his nose was broken, and after he received the injuries to the back of his head. Also important is the fact that Zimmerman gave multiple statements to the police for two days immediately after the shooting that are not inconsistent with his defense -- and also volunteered to come in for another statement to the new State Attorney only a few days before charges were filed -- which offer was apparently declined.

In other words -- at least from a true legal analysis -- the police had no evidence contrary to the case being one of self defense -- and the only open issue was whether Zimmerman used "excessive force" (which would be manslaughter -- not second degree murder) -- and that at the time of the initial investigation (and probably now) -- law enforcement didn't have any evidence that controverted Zimmerman suffering "great bodily harm" (the broken nose) -- nor -- did they have any evidence contrary to his assertion that he was in reasonable fear of further serious injury or death.

What was left out?

Well . . . some of the key issues we still don't know:
1. What was the distance Zimmerman was following Martin from?
2. Did Zimmerman ever actually run after Martin?
3. Where was Zimmerman when Martin approached -- assuming Martin really did -- and where was this in relationship to Zimmerman's vehicle?
4. Were photos taken of Zimmerman's injuries by the police before they were cleaned up?
5. Is there any blood stain evidence -- how much -- and where?
6. Who actually was screaming for help? (the FBI allegedly did an analysis -- but this was not introduced)
7. Is there any other physical evidence that supports or discredits the prosecution or defense?
8. What was the extent of the head injuries?
9. Were there any injuries on Trayvon Martin besides the gun shot wound?
10. Were there any other injuries on Zimmerman?
11. Is there anything significantly inconsistent about the statements Zimmerman gave to the police?

Anyway -- the judge set a bond of $150,000.00, with other conditions including GPS monitoring. This is not atypical for such charges, especially where the State Attorney is asking for no bond. (Actually -- they wanted a million dollar bond -- which would mean the same thing). Of course, Zimmerman doesn't have those kind of funds -- and he, and his family have just about zero money. However, there is a fund set up on the internet for donations [http://www.therealgeorgezimmerman.com] for his legal defense, that would also be important for bail. Assuming you really want "justice" -- feel free to donate five bucks or a hundred bucks. You can't fight these things without money.

As you can probably tell from how I reported this hearing -- I'm leaning more to the self defense claim being legit. Under any circumstance -- I stick to my original analysis -- that Sanford Police Department did the right thing by not arresting him -- because it is clear -- they did not have probable cause to disbelieve the self defense issues. In fact -- I have serious doubts that there is probable cause at this time, despite the fact that the State Attorney filed charges. However, I also stick to what I originally said -- that it was a major mistake to refuse releasing information on why Zimmerman was not arrested. In fact -- it was contrary to the public interest to refuse doing that -- and was a complete and utter failure to see and understand the obvious need -- that has led to this "public lynching" of the self defense laws, Zimmerman, his friends, and his family.

Last -- a teaching point. Using a firearm should be an absolute last resort. If you do -- make sure you have lots of money to defend yourself -- and get to a lawyer who knows this stuff -- QUICKLY! Not days or weeks after -- but hopefully within the first few days! Even if it cost you five hundred or a grand to talk to the guy (or gal) -- it's gonna be worth it.

As to the Governor's Task Force . . . well . . . I personally think that will turn into a "witch hunt" on all the alleged "evils" of gun ownership. A few of the appointees are violently anti-gun -- and I'm not sure any of them really have the experience you and I would hope would be on the panel. I sure as hell wasn't asked. So , we'll see where that goes -- and that may require some real work on the part of those who believe in the Second Amendment -- to legally survive.

I take anti anxiety medication, medication for pain and sleep aids and I am able to take people into custody with no problems and have clear judgement.

Look a that map. Zimmerman lost sight of Martin at the corner where the altercation took place while he was at his vehicle. If martin had kept going he would have been three quarters the way to Brandy greens house before Zimmerman rounded the corner . . . but he wasn't. Why? Because he didn't go home.

The ONLY answer is that Martin came back. Not like it matters, this whole case rests on a very tight case that requires beyond the shadow of a doubt, and there are plenty of doubts, and more than enough supporting evidence to show Zimmerman acted in self defense. The soap opera tactics non-withstanding the prosecution really has nothing.
Yea and if Martin had never been born, or if Zimmernan had been born blind, or . . . blah blah blah. Keeping an eye on a suspicious person is not against the law and if Zimmerman had been watching a rapist and followed and stopped an assault everyone would be hailing him as a hero.

Get over yourselves. Being followed is not a reason to attack someone.

I take anti anxiety medication, medication for pain and sleep aids and I am able to take people into custody with no problems and have clear judgement.