it's not the term msharmony, it's the implied bias that goes along with the term. when you say that the confrontation happened between a boy and a man, that sets up the reader for a one sided event. martin vs zimmerman leaves the reader an open mind (unless they are into racial stereotyping and read into a last name) subject one vs subject two is even better at neutralizing both parties

i would hope that in court terms such as boy or man will not be used

but its not a neutral situation, if this had been a 17 year old female and a 27 year old male, I Doubt there would be any issue when people said a girl and a man


there was one who the law holds to a MUCH HIGHER STANDARD OF RESPONSIBILITY than the other

there was one who should have felt much more intimidated than the other


there was one who was a minor, and there was one who was an adult
thats just the facts, whatever people feel it 'implies'

i have to agree with MS on this... the fact is this kid was walking down the street, minding his own business, NOT COMMITTING ANY CRIMES, and then shot dead by a security guard. if anyone says that TM deserved death for this, then you are really sounding racist. and from some of the posts i've seen on here, some of you make me wonder just how racist you really are. i'm not say any names, but your posts are really an embarrassment to white people everywhere...

I agree...too many ASSumptions made here on what happened.
Seems to be the general consensus that the black kid in the hoodie
wandering around at night high on pot MUST have been up to no good...
the same ASSumption Zimmerman made.

why would you want to hold either party to a higher standard? both were males. one may have had more life experience than the other, but the standards held to both as males should be the same. no one deserved to die. circumstances got way out of hand. the facts that the public has been shown so far may or may not be everything there is to know about the event. jumping to a conclusion before all the facts are known is a slippery slope. making a conclusion based on emotion should not be what happens in or out of a courtroom

i smoke weed... does that mean i need to be shot? i wear a hoodie sometimes... i walk at night...do i need to be shot for any or all of these?

I generally hold a man with a wife, kids, career, and mortgage to a higher standard than a boy in high school

(generally, so will the laws)

IM just strange that way, I guess



but as to the rest, I want conclusions based upon a factual case in a courtroom as well

His own motha' acknowledges and is proud to call him thug.
Dead thug could have avoided being such by not attacking his victim and waiting for the po-po to arrive, si?

he is not required to keep 'running' in a stand your ground state,,,,

(and at least he is on record by the girlfriend and the shooter himself as having tried to do just that)


and who attacked whom is yet to be seen

what anyone "thinks" he is is immaterial... did he deserve to die?

Dead thug was not a high schooler.
He was a short-busser cuz of his attitude. He went to special school, si.

Your comments are irrelevant.
You have already showed us you are a racist with this remark.

"That may have been a result of scraping them on the pavement while he was trying to run away.wink angel"

If, I or mine was being beat on by dead thug, I would expect the situation be resolved by any means available.
What would you have done? Allow him to beat on you?

you are strange in many ways msharmony, but aren't we all? as a male, i like to think of every other male as an equal. the standard being the same for us all. some may rise above and go beyond what is expected and some may fall short. but the way every male lives his life and treats other human beings, animals, and his environment should not vary because of his age, race, or color

No need to attack or call posters names.
Isn't that against forum rules?

fighting is an option


the problem here is with the notion that he had no other defense but the gun, or whether the gun was a reasonable defense to use in a situation where a much taller but much lighter minor was fighting him

I dont think he has much of a leg to stand on defending himself on the grounds that he was being 'beat' on, his injuries that night just dont show such a pummelling, they show a pretty basic, hardly life threatening, fight


I think his best defense will be his own gun. The presence of a GUN in that whole situation (HIS GUN) is what turned it into something life threatening.

So if you follow someone with a gun, it will matter at what point the gun is revealed and in what manner when deciding who had the right to 'defense' and what would be a 'reasonable' defense to use,,,

it would be simpler without the gun, because the fear for his life defense would pretty much be out the window ESPECIALLY since the initial police report indicates they were in the GRASS ,,,,


he would have had to FIGHT and there would be no reason to believe either party was any more or less able to get up and walk away safely, responsibility would be easier to discern

Is it name calling when a post is screaming it to us all? I mean , you DID post this to let us all know how ya feel, right?
Do you feel attacked? I'm pointing out Moe's point.

i would have let the police do their job and not confronted him in the first place...

If he had not been shot he would be be charged as an adult for assault. Equal protection under the law. Sorry, no one is held to a higher standard just becuase you think they should.

Have you looked at the map fo the facility and saw where Zimmermans truck was parked vs where the altercation occured vs where Martin was staying?

By this comment I guess not. After Zimmermans and Martin lost contact with each other Martin could have easily made it home. He did not go home, he doubled back. The spot where the confrontation took place was far closer to the truck, than to where Martin was staying. Martin ran behind the buildings when they lost site of each other and if he had kept going and Zimmerman kept following they confrontation would have been much closer to Brandy Greens apartment, but it wasn't, which shows that Martin came back to the place were he lost Zimmerman.

The Narrative of Zimmerman chasing down Martin is not supported by the facts. They ended up back together where they first lost each other. Martin was the author of the confrontation he likely did not want to seem like a chicken with his girl on the line.

I guess I should ask, if you was being beat down and you had a gun, would you use it to stop the beating?
Simple question.
S