I dont think it was cold blood, I think it was stereotyping and a sense of entitlement to authority over others, along with a history of having his messes cleaned up,,,,and justified

and it backfired,,,resulting in his writing a check he couldnt cash except with a bullet,,

its also legal to make a citizens arrest, IF you are correct about the circumstances,, but IF the person was not actually committing a crime and your arrest results in their harm,, you are responsible legally,,,

and also, once you are an aggressor, your right to self defense no longer exists

or else all a potential attacker has to do is let you scuffle with them before killing you and then claim self defense

the one who initiates doesnt just get to use self defense once they are losing,,,,

they can show them in court, as well as pictures of his hands and any other evidence they bothered to collect that night,,,

no it doesnt,,,lol

it proves he cut his finger during a fight, with his RING,,,

it was a quarter inch scratch on his RING FINGER

I dont think he was 'drawn on', I think he was approached, verbally harassed, and pushed (something past romantic interests are on record long before this incident having said is Zimmermans MO and what Zimmerman was accused of doing to a POLICE OFFICER),,

causing T to knock Z down in defense before realizing Z also had a gun,,,,

It's just good to know finally that Zimmerman was the victim and that Martin was indeed the attacker and was duly shot because of it. Justice prevails.

who said they KNOW?

I said I 'think'

the evidence in COURT can lead jurors to decide what they think,,

Yea you get that when you punch someone . . . . The ring digs in . . . also does some nasty damage to the face of the vic.


If your bias wasn't crystal clear before it is now. This entire case is a big game of show your bias.

you also get it if your hand scuffs a sidewalk, just like you may get injuries to the back of the head from having it hid the same sidewalk

I agree

bias on both sides , thats why its good for a juror to see real EVIDENCE, as opposed to picking and choosing news pieces

it is a fact though that a grown man got out of his car to follow a boy

that the boy tried to lose the grown man

that there was a fight where the boy used a fist and the man used a gun

and that the boy is dead


,,,the other details will be left in a courtroom,,,

do you truly believe it was a boy vs a grown man that night?
my gut feeling is that you will twist and turn words around to make it seem one was a defenseless child and the other a predator with a chip on his shoulder

the fact that there were injures should let you know there was not a boy involved that night. one may have been older or stronger or whatever, but definitely not as one sided as you portray

yes, high school

vs married with a career a wife and children


YES , I do

children fight, they arent held as accountable as grown ups when they fight

so that is irrelevant to their emotional and physical stage of life


BOY vs MAN

Dead thug was 6' while Zim-bob was 5'7.

Looks like the dumba$$ dead thug thought he could whoop the smaller, older dude.

Good thang Zim-bob wuz packin'.

this "boy" had a girlfriend and was physically able to inflict serious damage on another human being. if you were able to meet him face to face and call him "boy" i'm sure you would have left the meeting with serious damage to your person

go with your gut

sorry, I didnt realize minor was legally defined by heighth
and though Zimmerman was shorter, dont mean he was 'smaller'
he was pretty thick himself

good thing Zim was packing and living in Florida, a dead black male can hardly refute self defense as long as he gets a few hits in first,,,,

thats what IM doing

I Trust the girlfriend told it just as it happened, that he was concerned about being followed, that he tried to lose the weirdo (from his perspective) And then the weirdo continued to follow him and he stopped running (which the STAND YOUR GROUND LAW actually gave TRAYVON every right to do)

he asked the weirdo why he was following him and instead of answering the weirdo questioned HIM about his motives instead,,,

and then the weirdo got a bit physical like he has been DOCUMENTED to do in the past


and initated something he couldnt finish except with a bullet....

Trayvon had THC (marijuana) in his blood.

Breaking: Autopsy Reveals Trayvon Martin Had Drugs in System

his girlfriend wasn't there

this is what you are doing

i trust the girlfriend told it just as she wants everyone to think it happened, that he was concerned about his skittles and tea making it home safely, that he tried to hide from the security patrol, (his perspective, since we all know what he was thinking) and then the security patrol continued to keep him in line of sight and he stopped running (which the stand your ground law has no bearing on some suspicious character being followed by security)

he confronted the security patrol, and instead of answering, the security patrol questioned him about his motives instead,,,

and then the security patrol got a bit physical like he would have to do when my punk boyfriend wouldn't cooperate

and then the punk tried to over power the security guard instead of cooperating until police arrived to defuse the situation and ended up on the business end of a gun

instead of insults let's look at the facts. it may be very difficult to see things as they truly are, but in the search for truth, justice and the american way, instead of substituting adjectives for the persons involved make it neutral.

example: suspect a approached suspect b etc.

I'm wondering myself about Zimmerman following Martin, starting a confrontation. Pigs must be flying because I see msharmony's point here.

I'm a legal weapon carrier and I walk up to Joe Blow and kick him in the shins, just cause I'm a b!tch that way...he punches me in the face and I go flying to the ground and some teeth fall out, I come up and shoot him dead for slamming me. I'm just a little chick and he knocked my teeth out, I had to defend myself.

That doesn't make any sense. I don't get to kill him for hitting me back even though I got my *** kicked. I started it!!

I guess that's the part I don't understand.
I want to know who was the aggressor!!! Because it does matter.

Who started it does NOT matter in any legal sense. What matters is how it went from a fist fight and became a life and death struggle. Just because you start a fight, that doesn't mean you don't have the right to defend yourself against murder.

We have had two witnesses come forward and state that they saw Trayvon straddling George and punching him repeatedly in the face "MMA style". One witness is a minor and his mother won't allow him to testify, because she's concerned for his safety. That leaves us with one adult witness who corroborates George's story. And the forensic evidence that Trayvon had wounds to his hands. And the fact that Trayvon was high (remember George saying "He looks like he's on drugs or something"?). And the fact that George admitted that he had lost Trayvon minutes before the confrontation. Trayvon was faster and more athletic than George. Also, the unaltered 911 tape shows that George wasn't sure of Trayvon's race, so it couldn't have been profiling. It sounds more and more like George was doing a public service by following Trayvon and Trayvon decided to confront George, rather than run home or call 911 like any thinking person would have.

Well, I think it should matter.

Seems to me if Zimmerman would have just minded his own business and called the cops..waited for the cops the entire thing could have been avoided.

Being high on pot is not a factor, I don't know anyone who wants to fight and gets aggressive on pot. Maybe if there had been some meth or something that he was high on..that would fly...at least with me.