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oldhippie1952 Joined Mon 03/14/11 Posts: 22693	Fri 05/04/12 08:03 PM
Things that require valid id: Driving Boarding airplanes Doctor’s office/hospital Applying for a job Pharmacy Bank Transactions Applying for school Applying for store credit Establish a utilities account Purchase a car Car registration Outpatient testing Medicare/Medicaid Open retirement account Donate blood Buy firearm Social Security services Pawn shop Writing a check Using a credit card Buying car insurance Buying train tickets Check-out book Season passes to amusement parks Apartment applications ….Requiring a voter id is NOT racist!

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Fri 05/04/12 08:44 PM
Things that require valid id: Driving Boarding airplanes Doctor’s office/hospital Applying for a job Pharmacy Bank Transactions Applying for school Applying for store credit Establish a utilities account Purchase a car Car registration Outpatient testing Medicare/Medicaid Open retirement account Donate blood Buy firearm Social Security services Pawn shop Writing a check Using a credit card Buying car insurance Buying train tickets Check-out book Season passes to amusement parks Apartment applications ….Requiring a voter id is NOT racist! It looks like you forgot the link to this article. Here is one of the links I found. http://exposethemedia.com/2012/03/15/things-that-require-a-valid-id/

oldhippie1952 Joined Mon 03/14/11 Posts: 22693	Fri 05/04/12 08:46 PM
Thanks! Copied from a fb posting with no references!

Sojourning_Soul Joined Fri 02/13/09 Posts: 10767	Fri 05/04/12 09:28 PM
Things that require valid id: Driving Boarding airplanes Doctor’s office/hospital Applying for a job Pharmacy Bank Transactions Applying for school Applying for store credit Establish a utilities account Purchase a car Car registration Outpatient testing Medicare/Medicaid Open retirement account Donate blood Buy firearm Social Security services Pawn shop Writing a check Using a credit card Buying car insurance Buying train tickets Check-out book Season passes to amusement parks Apartment applications ….Requiring a voter id is NOT racist! It looks like you forgot the link to this article. Here is one of the links I found. http://exposethemedia.com/2012/03/15/things-that-require-a-valid-id/ fixed it

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 05/05/12 02:07 AM
Things that require valid id: Driving Boarding airplanes Doctor’s office/hospital Applying for a job Pharmacy Bank Transactions Applying for school Applying for store credit Establish a utilities account Purchase a car Car registration Outpatient testing Medicare/Medicaid Open retirement account Donate blood Buy firearm Social Security services Pawn shop Writing a check Using a credit card Buying car insurance Buying train tickets Check-out book Season passes to amusement parks Apartment applications ….Requiring a voter id is NOT racist! but it may be unconstitutional,,,and disproportionately affect certain groups over others,,,regarding their 'right' to vote,,,

Peccy Joined Thu 06/28/07 Posts: 17181	Sat 05/05/12 05:13 AM
How so? The right to vote comes with you being a citizen. If you're a registered citizen, then you have a SS#. What certain groups are you referring to?

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Sat 05/05/12 08:13 AM
Things that require valid id: Driving Boarding airplanes Doctor’s office/hospital Applying for a job Pharmacy Bank Transactions Applying for school Applying for store credit Establish a utilities account Purchase a car Car registration Outpatient testing Medicare/Medicaid Open retirement account Donate blood Buy firearm Social Security services Pawn shop Writing a check Using a credit card Buying car insurance Buying train tickets Check-out book Season passes to amusement parks Apartment applications ….Requiring a voter id is NOT racist! but it may be unconstitutional,,,and disproportionately affect certain groups over others,,,regarding their 'right' to vote,,, How would it be unconstitutional Harmony?...Isn't proper ID a legal requirement in the US?...What specific groups would be disenfranchised if requiring photo voter ID became law and how exactly would they be disenfranchised?.... Are the pros and cons concerning voter ID party based?....Is it an issue about illigals (Texas)...Is it an issue because we have a multiracial president?....Is it an issue because 2012 is an election year and in '08 Obama received 67% of the Latino vote and 96% of African American vote? Are the "certain" groups you refer to the poor, the elderly, the Hispanics, and the African Americans?...I'm curious and confused....

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Sat 05/05/12 08:46 AM
I watched an interesting discussion on this topic last night on PBS. Two law professors debated the topic. The conclusion was that the current case with Texas rests on intent. If the purpose of the Texas law is to discriminate against people of a certain race, the law will be overturned. If the purpose of the law is to prevent voter fraud, which every State has the right to do, the law "should" be upheld. It was acknowledged that politics will play some part.

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Sat 05/05/12 09:04 AM
I watched an interesting discussion on this topic last night on PBS. Two law professors debated the topic. The conclusion was that the current case with Texas rests on intent. If the purpose of the Texas law is to discriminate against people of a certain race, the law will be overturned. If the purpose of the law is to prevent voter fraud, which every State has the right to do, the law "should" be upheld. It was acknowledged that politics will play some part. Sounds fair to me Joe...I applaud Texas for stepping up.....Peeps will always find ways to cheat, but voter fraud can and should be corrected/eliminated to the point that there is not enough to influence results....There are already too many people who don't vote, one reason is because they believe their vote won't make a difference....One reasons they believe this is VOTER FRAUD.....

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 05/05/12 10:38 AM
How so? The right to vote comes with you being a citizen. If you're a registered citizen, then you have a SS#. What certain groups are you referring to? yes, and id is verified AT registration,, beyond that it requires people spend MONEY to ensure they CONTINUE being able to vote once registered,,,which disenfranchises those who are less likely to have id's that are updated and valid for every election,,,,, seniors and minorities and the impoverished,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 05/05/12 10:42 AM Edited by msharmony on Sat 05/05/12 10:44 AM
Things that require valid id: Driving Boarding airplanes Doctor’s office/hospital Applying for a job Pharmacy Bank Transactions Applying for school Applying for store credit Establish a utilities account Purchase a car Car registration Outpatient testing Medicare/Medicaid Open retirement account Donate blood Buy firearm Social Security services Pawn shop Writing a check Using a credit card Buying car insurance Buying train tickets Check-out book Season passes to amusement parks Apartment applications ….Requiring a voter id is NOT racist! but it may be unconstitutional,,,and disproportionately affect certain groups over others,,,regarding their 'right' to vote,,, How would it be unconstitutional Harmony?...Isn't proper ID a legal requirement in the US?...What specific groups would be disenfranchised if requiring photo voter ID became law and how exactly would they be disenfranchised?.... Are the pros and cons concerning voter ID party based?....Is it an issue about illigals (Texas)...Is it an issue because we have a multiracial president?....Is it an issue because 2012 is an election year and in '08 Obama received 67% of the Latino vote and 96% of African American vote? Are the "certain" groups you refer to the poor, the elderly, the Hispanics, and the African Americans?...I'm curious and confused.... no, ID is not a 'requirement' , noones been fined or incarcerated for not possessing id unless it was a requirement for some type of ACTIVITY to verify being of legal age,,etc however, voting is not merely an ACTIVITY, it is a 'right', so beyond having proof that one is of age to be REGISTERED as a voter,, requiring proof of the RIGHT to vote at EVERY election would be unconstitutional it is an issue because it has not been a REQUIREMENT UNTIL , this election,, making it seem like the real issue may just be because of who is running, and who is supporting him,,,,, and yes, those groups are the poor, the elderly, hispanics, african americans,,,,,,people who are less likely to be UPDATING their id (something which has a FEE) on a regularly bi yearly basis it is a smokescreen and a pointless undertaking kind of like drug testing welfare recipients would be,,,because it is more of an INVESTMENT Than what it saves those dishonest enough to commit voter fraud are certainly dishonest enough to obtain a FAKE ID<, its very easy in this country,,,, the remedy is ENFORCING the LAWS when fraud is uncovered, not disenfranchising millions from voting,,,

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Sat 05/05/12 10:44 AM
How so? The right to vote comes with you being a citizen. If you're a registered citizen, then you have a SS#. What certain groups are you referring to? yes, and id is verified AT registration,, beyond that it requires people spend MONEY to ensure they CONTINUE being able to vote once registered,,,which disenfranchises those who are less likely to have id's that are updated and valid for every election,,,,, seniors and minorities and the impoverished,,, spoken like true liberal... if they had an ID to register, why would they need to spend any money to get something they already have? your democrats are really pulling the wool over your eyes...

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 05/05/12 10:47 AM
How so? The right to vote comes with you being a citizen. If you're a registered citizen, then you have a SS#. What certain groups are you referring to? yes, and id is verified AT registration,, beyond that it requires people spend MONEY to ensure they CONTINUE being able to vote once registered,,,which disenfranchises those who are less likely to have id's that are updated and valid for every election,,,,, seniors and minorities and the impoverished,,, spoken like true liberal... if they had an ID to register, why would they need to spend any money to get something they already have? your democrats are really pulling the wool over your eyes... ok. it would require a VALID ID,,,,that means , the id must have the CURRENT address and not be EXPIRED,, which means that people would have to be RENEWING their ids on a regular basis, whenever they moved and everytime an expiration date came up before an election which means people would be required to continue spending money to do something that is supposed to be a 'right'

Leigh2154 Joined Sun 10/02/11 Posts: 16479	Sat 05/05/12 11:11 AM Edited by Leigh2154 on Sat 05/05/12 11:15 AM
Things that require valid id: Driving Boarding airplanes Doctor’s office/hospital Applying for a job Pharmacy Bank Transactions Applying for school Applying for store credit Establish a utilities account Purchase a car Car registration Outpatient testing Medicare/Medicaid Open retirement account Donate blood Buy firearm Social Security services Pawn shop Writing a check Using a credit card Buying car insurance Buying train tickets Check-out book Season passes to amusement parks Apartment applications ….Requiring a voter id is NOT racist! but it may be unconstitutional,,,and disproportionately affect certain groups over others,,,regarding their 'right' to vote,,, How would it be unconstitutional Harmony?...Isn't proper ID a legal requirement in the US?...What specific groups would be disenfranchised if requiring photo voter ID became law and how exactly would they be disenfranchised?.... Are the pros and cons concerning voter ID party based?....Is it an issue about illigals (Texas)...Is it an issue because we have a multiracial president?....Is it an issue because 2012 is an election year and in '08 Obama received 67% of the Latino vote and 96% of African American vote? Are the "certain" groups you refer to the poor, the elderly, the Hispanics, and the African Americans?...I'm curious and confused.... no, ID is not a 'requirement' , noones been fined or incarcerated for not possessing id unless it was a requirement for some type of ACTIVITY to verify being of legal age,,etc however, voting is not merely an ACTIVITY, it is a 'right', so beyond having proof that one is of age to be REGISTERED as a voter,, requiring proof of the RIGHT to vote at EVERY election would be unconstitutional it is an issue because it has not been a REQUIREMENT UNTIL , this election,, making it seem like the real issue may just be because of who is running, and who is supporting him,,,,, and yes, those groups are the poor, the elderly, hispanics, african americans,,,,,,people who are less likely to be UPDATING their id (something which has a FEE) on a regularly bi yearly basis Some of the things you say makes me think NAACP....and before you judge me, I'm not criticising it , but it was founded over a hundred years ago and things change....I would think for those who can "prove" need the expense could be waived...I also think we can find ways to ensure elders who wish to vote can vote.......Voter fraud is a real problem that can and should be corrected......Providing photo Id would be a huge deterrent and I'm thinking much of the expense to provide ID's for those who cannot afford them would be offset by revenue from those who can.... Correct, voting is a right for citizens only....

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Sat 05/05/12 11:13 AM
How so? The right to vote comes with you being a citizen. If you're a registered citizen, then you have a SS#. What certain groups are you referring to? yes, and id is verified AT registration,, beyond that it requires people spend MONEY to ensure they CONTINUE being able to vote once registered,,,which disenfranchises those who are less likely to have id's that are updated and valid for every election,,,,, seniors and minorities and the impoverished,,, spoken like true liberal... if they had an ID to register, why would they need to spend any money to get something they already have? your democrats are really pulling the wool over your eyes... ok. it would require a VALID ID,,,,that means , the id must have the CURRENT address and not be EXPIRED,, which means that people would have to be RENEWING their ids on a regular basis, whenever they moved and everytime an expiration date came up before an election which means people would be required to continue spending money to do something that is supposed to be a 'right' ... and the continuing voter fraud which exists largely because of the lack of an ID requirement helps to sustain YOUR political party. It also manages to cancel out thousands of votes of legitimate citizens who have a RIGHT to have their votes counted. How convenient.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 05/05/12 11:22 AM
How so? The right to vote comes with you being a citizen. If you're a registered citizen, then you have a SS#. What certain groups are you referring to? yes, and id is verified AT registration,, beyond that it requires people spend MONEY to ensure they CONTINUE being able to vote once registered,,,which disenfranchises those who are less likely to have id's that are updated and valid for every election,,,,, seniors and minorities and the impoverished,,, spoken like true liberal... if they had an ID to register, why would they need to spend any money to get something they already have? your democrats are really pulling the wool over your eyes... ok. it would require a VALID ID,,,,that means , the id must have the CURRENT address and not be EXPIRED,, which means that people would have to be RENEWING their ids on a regular basis, whenever they moved and everytime an expiration date came up before an election which means people would be required to continue spending money to do something that is supposed to be a 'right' ... and the continuing voter fraud which exists largely because of the lack of an ID requirement helps to sustain YOUR political party. It also manages to cancel out thousands of votes of legitimate citizens who have a RIGHT to have their votes counted. How convenient. convenient is right, convenient way to once again discriminate at the polls. like when they required people to pass certain 'tests' to vote,,,,before the voting rights act research voter fraud numbers and its not at all the issue those rooting for this disenfranchise are pushing others to feel panicked about and when it happens, it is prosecuted as the 'crime' it is whats next, requiring children to show id everytime they go to class AFTER already showing it when they register for school?

TammyA Joined Sat 03/10/12 Posts: 300	Sat 05/05/12 11:33 AM
It has never cost me to change my voter registration.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 05/05/12 11:33 AM
It has never cost me to change my voter registration. it costs to renew or update a photo id...

TammyA Joined Sat 03/10/12 Posts: 300	Sat 05/05/12 11:41 AM
Yea, but like $20 for 4 years. Seems like just about anyone could come up with $5 a year.

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Sat 05/05/12 11:43 AM
How so? The right to vote comes with you being a citizen. If you're a registered citizen, then you have a SS#. What certain groups are you referring to? yes, and id is verified AT registration,, beyond that it requires people spend MONEY to ensure they CONTINUE being able to vote once registered,,,which disenfranchises those who are less likely to have id's that are updated and valid for every election,,,,, seniors and minorities and the impoverished,,, spoken like true liberal... if they had an ID to register, why would they need to spend any money to get something they already have? your democrats are really pulling the wool over your eyes... ok. it would require a VALID ID,,,,that means , the id must have the CURRENT address and not be EXPIRED,, which means that people would have to be RENEWING their ids on a regular basis, whenever they moved and everytime an expiration date came up before an election which means people would be required to continue spending money to do something that is supposed to be a 'right' ... and the continuing voter fraud which exists largely because of the lack of an ID requirement helps to sustain YOUR political party. It also manages to cancel out thousands of votes of legitimate citizens who have a RIGHT to have their votes counted. How convenient. convenient is right, convenient way to once again discriminate at the polls. like when they required people to pass certain 'tests' to vote,,,,before the voting rights act research voter fraud numbers and its not at all the issue those rooting for this disenfranchise are pushing others to feel panicked about and when it happens, it is prosecuted as the 'crime' it is whats next, requiring children to show id everytime they go to class AFTER already showing it when they register for school? Making up "facts" and changing the subject does not improve your argument. The State of Texas provides: How can I apply for a free election ID certificate? Visit a Texas Driver License office and request a free election ID certificate for the purpose of voting. Voters must provide: 1. Proof of identity. 2. A completed application. 3. Consent to be photographed and fingerprinted. 4. A signature. So your statement of "which means people would be required to continue spending money to do something that is supposed to be a 'right'" is just baloney. It's all about getting votes any way you can, legal or not.