yeah, and the money for gas or bus

and the money for the birth certificate if one happens to not have or have lost theirs

and the money for the social security card, if one happens to not have or have lost theirs,,,,


seems like people would all have cars and access to gas and money for social security cards and birth certificates

but in reality MILLIONS dont have those conveniences,,,,

lol, look at NUMBER ONE

PROOF OF ID,,,the VOTER card is free the ID is not,,,,

There are millions who CLAIM not to have those conveniences. If it's something they want, they will find a way to get there to get it. I know people personally that take advantage of the system.

I do too, 'the system' is pretty large

I dont , however, personally know too many trying to FAKE their way into voting booths,,,,

and the percentage of voters who are fraudulent is miniscule enough to suggest there are other motives for such a law,,,

the point is not about whether they want it bad enough, the point is its their RIGHT, how much they 'want it' is irrelevant,,,

You have a very bad habit of stating as fact things of which you know nothing ... such as the continuing cost of ID.

Here are the actual Texas requirements to get the "ID". Anyone who cannot provide proof within this range shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway as they are obviously in this country illegally.

What can I show for proof of identity?

Voters must show one of the following (see below for definitions):

1. One primary ID.

2. Two secondary IDs.

3. One secondary ID and 2 supporting IDs.

Primary ID, which must contain full name, date of birth and a photo, includes:

1. A Texas driver license or ID certificate with photo and within 2 years of expiration date.

2. An unexpired U.S. passport book or passport card.

3. U.S. Citizenship Certificate or Certificate of Naturalization with identifiable photo (N-560, N-561, N-645, N-550, N-55G, N-570 or N-578).

4. An unexpired DHS or USCIS document issued for a period of at least 1 year and must be valid for no less than 6 months from the date presented to the department with a completed application. The document must contain verifiable data and identifiable photo. Examples include:

a. A U.S. Citizen ID Card (I-179 or I-197).

b. A Permanent Resident Card (I-551).

c. A Temporary Resident ID Card (I-688).

d. An Employment Authorization Card (I-766).

e. A U.S. Travel Document (I-327 or I-571).

f. An Advance Parole Document (I-512 or I-512L).

g. I-94 stamped Sec. 208 Asylee with photo.

h. I-94 stamped Sec. 207 Refugee with photo.

i. An American Indian Card (I-872).

j. A Northern Mariana card (I-873).

k. A Transportation Workers ID Card.

5. A Foreign Passport, visa (valid or expired) and Form I-94 with an undefined expiration date (e.g., duration of stay).

6. A Foreign Passport, visa (valid or expired) and Form I-94 with a defined expiration date. The Form I-94 must have been issued for a period of at least 1 year and have at least 6 months validity remaining.

7. An unexpired U.S. military ID card for active duty, reserve or retired personnel with identifiable photo.

Secondary ID, which must contain full name and date of birth, includes:

1. An original or certified copy of a birth certificate issued by the appropriate State Bureau of Vital Statistics or equivalent agency from a U.S. state, U.S. territory, the District of Columbia or a Canadian province. A birth record issued by a hospital is not acceptable under this category.

2. An original or certified copy of U.S. Dept. of State Certification of Birth Abroad (issued to U.S. citizens born abroad) (Form FS-240, DS-1350 or FS-545).

3. An original or certified copy of court order with name and date of birth (DOB) indicating an official change of name and/or gender from a U.S. state, U.S. territory, the District of Columbia, or Canadian province.

Supporting ID includes:

1. A Social Security Card (actual card).

2. Forms W-2 or 1099.

3. A numident record from the Social Security Administration.

4. A temporary receipt for a Texas driver license or ID (actual receipt).

5. A driver license or ID issued by another U.S. state, U.S. territory, the District of Columbia, or Canadian province (unexpired or within 2 years of the expiration date) (actual card).*

6. An expired Texas driver license or ID (expired more than 2 years) (actual card).

7. School records (e.g., report cards, photo ID cards).*

8. Military records (e.g., Form DD-214).

9. An unexpired U.S. military dependant ID card (actual card).

10. An original or certified copy of marriage license or divorce decree (U.S. jurisdiction or foreign jurisdiction - if the document is not in English, a certified translation must accompany it).

11. A Voter registration card (actual card).*

12. A Pilot's license (actual card).*

13. A concealed handgun license (actual card).*

14. A professional license issued by Texas state agency.

15. An ID card issued by government agency.*

16. A valid consular document issued by a state or national government.

17. A Texas Inmate ID card or similar form of ID issued by TDCJ.

18. A TDCJ parole or mandatory release certificate.

19. A federal inmate ID card.

20. A federal parole or release certificate.

21. A Medicare or Medicaid card (actual card).

22. A Selective Service card (actual card).

23. Immunization records.*

24. A tribal membership card from federally-recognized tribe.

25. A Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood.

26. An unexpired foreign passport.

27. An Insurance policy (e.g., auto, home, life; valid continuously for the past 2 years).

28. A Texas Vehicle title (TRC §521.144).

29. A current Texas vehicle registration.

30. A current Texas boat registration or title.

31. A Veteran's Administration card (actual card).

32. A Hospital issued birth record.*

* This document must be issued by an institution, entity or government from a U.S. state, U.S. territory, the District of Columbia or Canadian province.

For more information on applying for a free election ID certificate, call the Texas Secretary of State at (800) 252-VOTE (8683) (toll-free) or at 512-463-5650 (local), email the Secretary of State's Office at elections@sos.state.tx.us or visit the Office's webpage on elections at http://www.votexas.org/index.html. Alternatively, visit the Texas Department of Public Safety's webpage on applying for an ID card at http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/DriverLicense/applyforID.htm.

really? Im not sure what you are debating with me....

are any of those things on your list FREE?

no,,,,

That's the best response you've got after being proven the statements you made are false?

The fact is that "real" citizens of the United States already have enough of the above to get a "free" card or they aren't really citizens. How much does your employer charge you for a W2 form?(note it doesn't have to be current.) or an expired drivers license?

Really!

If you already have a voter registration, there is no cost to change your registration. Only first time registering requires a photo ID.

WOW

the w2 is supporting documents, the list of primary and secondary requirements all have COSTS Attached to them

you cant get a registration with JUST A w2


'real citizens' are working and contributing in this country every day who may not have a clue where their birth certificate is, who never have and never plan to travel outside the country so dont spend the money on a passport, who dont have a social security card


none of that has ANYTHING to do with being a real citizen,,,

I change my address and id's every few years. And I'm a senior citizen on SS so money is tight. I consider it something I have to do to exercise my rights.

Sorry Msharmony, but I can't accept your viewpoint on this one.

that is the issue

the change in the law would not merely require 'first time' registering to have id

it would require ID everytime one wished to vote in an election,,,

Umm, Moe, I'm a liberal and have no problem with the Voter ID thing. I really don't see any problems with it, but as I've said before, I usually pull my driver's license out with my voter card, or just use my DL.

I can see some issue with why we would need a separate ID card, why not just have everyone use their DL? Why do we really need multiple ID's with pictures, except that it's an excuse to make money.

And Msharmony, since one is supposed to have their DL and information updated within a month of a move, I don't see why this is an issue. People sneaking around and playing for time really shouldn't be voting, to be honest! They're no better then the politicians, at that point!

its not an issue of who 'should be' voting when voting is a 'right'

and because people are 'supposed' to do something has little to do with that 'right'

Those who "should be" voting and who have the "right" to vote in the U.S. are U.S. citizens. If they cannot prove their citizenship and their current residence, then they shouldn't be voting. I don't want a bunch of illegals to be voting for MY government officials.


Registering To Vote: http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepoliticalsystem/a/voterreg_2.htm

What Information Will You Have to Provide?
While voter registration application forms will vary depending on your state, county or city, they will always ask for your name, address, date of birth and status of U.S. citizenship. You also have to give your driver's license number, if you have one, or the last four digits of your Social Security number. If you don't have either a driver's license or a Social Security number, the state will assign you a voter identification number. These numbers are to help the state keep track of voters. Check the form carefully, including the back, to see the rules for the place where you live.

(And I bet that voter identification number is free)

thats fine, and thats YOU

others not agreeing with you doesnt give them any less of the 'right' than you have,,,,sorry,,,

let me do this again

VOTER REGISTRATION is not VOTING

yes, when we REGISTER we prove all those things

when we VOTE We havent been required to RE PROVE them,, until now,,,,

bringing our registration card was sufficient and doesnt require any hoops to jump through EXCEPT To hold on to the registration card from the time it is sent in the mail (before every election) until the election,, that mailing we receive for FREE,,,,


elections take place in some capacity a minimum of every two years, thats alot of verifying that wasnt previously considered a necessity,,,,

I didn't say they didn't have the "right". They should have to PROVE they have the "right". Like the article says, anyone can get a voter identification number.

Are you assuming every voter drives?

yes, and they prove it upon registration,,,,

then the card is sent to them before every election and they merely take it to the polls,,,,

What Does A State ID Cost?

So, exactly how much does an ID cost in the 50 States? Not a DL, mind you, just a basic ID card


Alabama – $23
Alaska – Under 60 is $15, over 60 is free
Arizona – $12. Over 65 is free
Arkansas – $10
California – $23. Free for those over 62. $7 for low income folks
Colorado – $10.50. Free for those over 60
Connecticut – $15
Delaware -$5
Florida – $3 whole friggin’ dollars!!!!!!
Georgia -$20 for 5 years, $35 for $10 years
Hawaii – $15 for under 65, $10 for over 65
Idaho – $7.50. Renewals can even be done by mail
Illinois – $20, free for seniors over 65with no renewal necessary
Indiana – $13 under 65, $10 for over 65, last for 6 years, which is the state this whole kerfuffle is over
Iowa – $5
Kansas – $18 under 65, $14 over 65
Kentucky – $12
Louisiana – Average $21, free for over 60
Maine – $5
Maryland – $15, free for those over 65
Massachusetts – $15
Michigan – $10, free for seniors. Oh, and those with mental impairments (hint, hint)
Minnesota – $15.50, $10.75 for those 65 and up
Mississippi – $13
Missouri – $11
Montana – $8
Nebraska – $23.75 (lots of different fees for those under 21)
Nevada – $11.25. For 65 and up, new is $6.25, renewal is $2.25
New Hampshire – haven’t been able to find the cost, even at the New Hampshire DMV or New Hampshire’s main site
New Jersey – $24
New Mexico – $5 for 5 years, $8 for 10 years
New York – Depending on length, $9 to $14. 62 and up, $6.50
North Carolina – $10
North Dakota – $8
Ohio – $8.50
Oklahoma – $10
Oregon – $29 for 8 years
Pennsylvania – $10, and they make it really, really easy
Rhode Island – $15, free for 59 and up
South Carolina – $5
South Dakota – $8
Tennessee – $12.50. For those 65 and up, they never expire
Texas – $15. 60 and up, $5 and never has to be renewed
Utah – $18. Never expires for those 65 and up
Vermont – $15, $10 if you get Social Security Income
Virginia – $10
Washington – $20
West Virginia – can’t find an actual figure
Wisconsin – $28 for eight years
Wyoming – $10, never expires
Washington, D.C. – How much you got? In reality, $20. Cannot trade your Tech-9 for one, either.

Note: except where noted, most ID’s are good for generally 4-5 years a pop. And this info surely doesn’t completely cover if there are more provisions for Seniors and low income people.

(Pretty minimal cost to exercise your "right", if you ask me.)