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Topic: Valid ID
msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 05/05/12 03:14 PM Edited by msharmony on Sat 05/05/12 03:16 PM
What Does A State ID Cost? So, exactly how much does an ID cost in the 50 States? Not a DL, mind you, just a basic ID card Alabama – $23 Alaska – Under 60 is $15, over 60 is free Arizona – $12. Over 65 is free Arkansas – $10 California – $23. Free for those over 62. $7 for low income folks Colorado – $10.50. Free for those over 60 Connecticut – $15 Delaware -$5 Florida – $3 whole friggin’ dollars!!!!!! Georgia -$20 for 5 years, $35 for $10 years Hawaii – $15 for under 65, $10 for over 65 Idaho – $7.50. Renewals can even be done by mail Illinois – $20, free for seniors over 65with no renewal necessary Indiana – $13 under 65, $10 for over 65, last for 6 years, which is the state this whole kerfuffle is over Iowa – $5 Kansas – $18 under 65, $14 over 65 Kentucky – $12 Louisiana – Average $21, free for over 60 Maine – $5 Maryland – $15, free for those over 65 Massachusetts – $15 Michigan – $10, free for seniors. Oh, and those with mental impairments (hint, hint) Minnesota – $15.50, $10.75 for those 65 and up Mississippi – $13 Missouri – $11 Montana – $8 Nebraska – $23.75 (lots of different fees for those under 21) Nevada – $11.25. For 65 and up, new is $6.25, renewal is $2.25 New Hampshire – haven’t been able to find the cost, even at the New Hampshire DMV or New Hampshire’s main site New Jersey – $24 New Mexico – $5 for 5 years, $8 for 10 years New York – Depending on length, $9 to $14. 62 and up, $6.50 North Carolina – $10 North Dakota – $8 Ohio – $8.50 Oklahoma – $10 Oregon – $29 for 8 years Pennsylvania – $10, and they make it really, really easy Rhode Island – $15, free for 59 and up South Carolina – $5 South Dakota – $8 Tennessee – $12.50. For those 65 and up, they never expire Texas – $15. 60 and up, $5 and never has to be renewed Utah – $18. Never expires for those 65 and up Vermont – $15, $10 if you get Social Security Income Virginia – $10 Washington – $20 West Virginia – can’t find an actual figure Wisconsin – $28 for eight years Wyoming – $10, never expires Washington, D.C. – How much you got? In reality, $20. Cannot trade your Tech-9 for one, either. Note: except where noted, most ID’s are good for generally 4-5 years a pop. And this info surely doesn’t completely cover if there are more provisions for Seniors and low income people. (Pretty minimal cost to exercise your "right", if you ask me.) smh and to get an ID,, what does one need besides the ID FEE? a previous ID or a BIRTH CERTIFICATE and SOCIAL SECURITY CARD ,,BOTH HAVE COSTS and then there is the cost of internet service if one is not within a bus route of a dmv, or if dmv hours dont match their work hours,,, or the cost of gas and bus to get to a LIBRARY to pay to use the internet service there etc,,,etc,,,etc,,,, sorry, but IM just not gonna agree that people should jump through these hoops to PROVE Their right to vote every time there is an election,,,,when the current system of taking the card that is mailed to your recorded address is free every time there is an election , easier to keep track of, and has worked fine until now...

TammyA Joined Sat 03/10/12 Posts: 300	Sat 05/05/12 03:33 PM
We all have the "right" to our opinions. If one wishes to exercise their "right" to vote, then they should be able to provide valid ID. If they can't provide it, then they shouldn't be voting. If I lost my birth certificate and/or social security card, I would order another one. That cost is very minimal. Like I said, I have no problem requiring me to show valid ID when I vote. And that is MY opinion.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 05/05/12 03:35 PM Edited by msharmony on Sat 05/05/12 03:36 PM
We all have the "right" to our opinions. If one wishes to exercise their "right" to vote, then they should be able to provide valid ID. If they can't provide it, then they shouldn't be voting. If I lost my birth certificate and/or social security card, I would order another one. That cost is very minimal. Like I said, I have no problem requiring me to show valid ID when I vote. And that is MY opinion. yes, and 'minimal' is all dependent upon what ones budget and transportation resources are.... whats minimal to you is not minimal to everyone else,,, ive got no issue with REGISTRATION requirements I have every issue with VOTING Requirements once one has legally registered,,,

TammyA Joined Sat 03/10/12 Posts: 300	Sat 05/05/12 03:44 PM
I had to show a valid ID when I opened my checking account. So why do I have to show an ID every time I go to the store and write a check? Because there are alot of fraudulent people out there.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 05/05/12 03:47 PM
I had to show a valid ID when I opened my checking account. So why do I have to show an ID every time I go to the store and write a check? Because there are alot of fraudulent people out there. because having a checking account is not a 'right'

Bravalady Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 1034	Sat 05/05/12 03:56 PM
"Despite many instances of electoral fraud internationally, in the U.S. a major study by the Justice Department between 2002 and 2007[2] showed of the 300 million votes cast in that period, federal prosecutors convicted only 86 people for voter fraud – and of those few cases, most involved persons who were simply unaware of their ineligibility." From Wikipedia, citing a Rolling Stone article. I can't find the Justice Department study, but haven't really tried. This "voter fraud" issue started as a way to reduce Democratic votes (because it targets the poorest of the poor, who tend to vote Democratic) and now seems to have gotten tangled up in the anti-immigrant hysteria. It is a solution to a nonexistent problem. A RIGHT is by definition not dependent on one's ability to pay for it.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 05/05/12 04:09 PM
eureka! someone got it

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Sat 05/05/12 06:07 PM
If, it was a right, it couldn't be taken away. Even if, a person was a convict.

TammyA Joined Sat 03/10/12 Posts: 300	Sat 05/05/12 06:35 PM
Statistics show that the states that already require a photo ID to vote, voter participation increased, even in those states that are primarily Democrat.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Sat 05/05/12 07:00 PM
Statistics show that the states that already require a photo ID to vote, voter participation increased, even in those states that are primarily Democrat. Even at oBama.com?

TJN Joined Sun 12/02/07 Posts: 6745	Sat 05/05/12 07:40 PM
I just can't understand the issue. If you show ID when you register you should have your ID when election time comes around. How many people lose their ID's? And if you move out of your precinct you have to register at your new precinct. Thus showing ID to register. A simple fix. Have fingerprint machines at the precincts and when you SHOW YOUR ID to register you give your finger print. Then when you go vote all you have to do is give your fingerprint and WALLA vote. PROBLEM SOLVED!!!!

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Sat 05/05/12 08:18 PM Edited by metalwing on Sat 05/05/12 08:30 PM
One part of the ongoing election fraud problem... for those who don't know that it exists. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqklQPkVJkc&feature=related Dead voting in Houston Texas Watchdog video report More than 4,000 people's names are listed both on Harris County’s voter rolls and also in a federal database of death records, a Texas Watchdog analysis has found. Dozens have apparently cast ballots from beyond the grave, records since 2004 show. One expert says the number of deceased names used to cast ballots may be higher than what Texas Watchdog’s analysis found. Instances of dead voters’ names being used to cast ballots were most frequent in three elections, the November 2004 general election, the November 2006 general election and the March 2008 Democratic primary, the analysis found.[14] Undocumented immigrants District Attorney Susan Reed has been investigating undocumented immigrant status fraud for over a year, which has been claimed by people both registering to vote and by people trying to get out of jury duty. Two of the jury cases are to be prosecuted as perjury. According to Reed, her office investigated records from the Bexar County election department, which began in late May 2007, when the Homeland Security Department's Immigration and Customs Enforcement requested a report prepared by Bexar County Elections Administrator Jacque Callanen.[15] "I'm asking to move it up on the radar and let's keep what we need to be able to come in and effectively prosecute in those situations," Reed said.[16] Magical Box 13 The statute of limitations has run out on some of the cases of voter fraud. The statute of limitations is two years on lying to get out of jury duty and three years on the undocumented voter registration. According to Reed, her office investigated records from the Baxer County election department at the department's request. "I'm asking to move it up on the radar and let's keep what we need to be able to come in and effectively prosecute in those situations," she said.[16] 300,000 registrations for non-citizens David Simcox, former Executive Director of the Center for Immigration Studies released a study in early October 2008 that said an estimated 1.8 million to 2.7 million non-citizen immigrants in the United States may be illegally registered to vote and over 300,000 of them are from Texas, thereby potentially influencing the outcome of the upcoming presidential and congressional elections.[17] The counties mentioned in the report were Bexar, Dallas, El Paso, Harris, Maverick, Presidio, Starr, Tarrant, Travis, Valverde, and Webb counties. The report found that, according to Mr. Simcox's calculations, Dallas, Harris, Presidio and Starr counties had a higher number of registered voters than legitimately eligible voters, a figure that excludes non-citizens and convicted felons.[17] Kaufman County over-vote alleged A candidate for Kaufman County constable who lost the Republican primary in April by five votes suspects foul play. Kenneth Garvin claims 66 more votes were cast than there were individuals who had signed up to cast ballots. Garvin has questioned the results even though the time to file formal complaints has passed. Election officials however, respond that Garvin has not accounted for mail-in ballots and people who were not told to sign in or lost sign-in sheets. [18] Read more at: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Vote_fraud_in_Texas

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 05/05/12 10:08 PM
If, it was a right, it couldn't be taken away. Even if, a person was a convict. really? last I remember baring arms is a right , that is likewise taken away when one has a felony,,,, people should change the system if they feel that should be an absolute right for everyone,,,, but for now, BARRING THE LOSS OF RIGHTS ONE FACES WHEN BREAKING THE LAW,,,,,its a right as is voting,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 05/05/12 10:10 PM
Statistics show that the states that already require a photo ID to vote, voter participation increased, even in those states that are primarily Democrat. this is easy, statistics show that states that require a photo ID have seen voter participation DECREASE,,, show me your statistics and Ill show you mine, otherwise, a statement about what 'statistics show' is fairly general and not easy to debate,,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 05/05/12 10:11 PM
I just can't understand the issue. If you show ID when you register you should have your ID when election time comes around. How many people lose their ID's? And if you move out of your precinct you have to register at your new precinct. Thus showing ID to register. A simple fix. Have fingerprint machines at the precincts and when you SHOW YOUR ID to register you give your finger print. Then when you go vote all you have to do is give your fingerprint and WALLA vote. PROBLEM SOLVED!!!! or send out photo registration cards for FREE that are as good as the photo id one pays for at dmv send them out before elections. like they do election cards but do not require the voter to jump through hoops at every election once they have already done their duty to register,,,,

Bravalady Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 1034	Sat 05/05/12 10:15 PM
Statistics show that the states that already require a photo ID to vote, voter participation increased, even in those states that are primarily Democrat. Interesting, could you point me to your source, please?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 05/05/12 10:15 PM
One part of the ongoing election fraud problem... for those who don't know that it exists. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqklQPkVJkc&feature=related Dead voting in Houston Texas Watchdog video report More than 4,000 people's names are listed both on Harris County’s voter rolls and also in a federal database of death records, a Texas Watchdog analysis has found. Dozens have apparently cast ballots from beyond the grave, records since 2004 show. One expert says the number of deceased names used to cast ballots may be higher than what Texas Watchdog’s analysis found. Instances of dead voters’ names being used to cast ballots were most frequent in three elections, the November 2004 general election, the November 2006 general election and the March 2008 Democratic primary, the analysis found.[14] Undocumented immigrants District Attorney Susan Reed has been investigating undocumented immigrant status fraud for over a year, which has been claimed by people both registering to vote and by people trying to get out of jury duty. Two of the jury cases are to be prosecuted as perjury. According to Reed, her office investigated records from the Bexar County election department, which began in late May 2007, when the Homeland Security Department's Immigration and Customs Enforcement requested a report prepared by Bexar County Elections Administrator Jacque Callanen.[15] "I'm asking to move it up on the radar and let's keep what we need to be able to come in and effectively prosecute in those situations," Reed said.[16] Magical Box 13 The statute of limitations has run out on some of the cases of voter fraud. The statute of limitations is two years on lying to get out of jury duty and three years on the undocumented voter registration. According to Reed, her office investigated records from the Baxer County election department at the department's request. "I'm asking to move it up on the radar and let's keep what we need to be able to come in and effectively prosecute in those situations," she said.[16] 300,000 registrations for non-citizens David Simcox, former Executive Director of the Center for Immigration Studies released a study in early October 2008 that said an estimated 1.8 million to 2.7 million non-citizen immigrants in the United States may be illegally registered to vote and over 300,000 of them are from Texas, thereby potentially influencing the outcome of the upcoming presidential and congressional elections.[17] The counties mentioned in the report were Bexar, Dallas, El Paso, Harris, Maverick, Presidio, Starr, Tarrant, Travis, Valverde, and Webb counties. The report found that, according to Mr. Simcox's calculations, Dallas, Harris, Presidio and Starr counties had a higher number of registered voters than legitimately eligible voters, a figure that excludes non-citizens and convicted felons.[17] Kaufman County over-vote alleged A candidate for Kaufman County constable who lost the Republican primary in April by five votes suspects foul play. Kenneth Garvin claims 66 more votes were cast than there were individuals who had signed up to cast ballots. Garvin has questioned the results even though the time to file formal complaints has passed. Election officials however, respond that Garvin has not accounted for mail-in ballots and people who were not told to sign in or lost sign-in sheets. [18] Read more at: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Vote_fraud_in_Texas dozens since 2004? really? so maybe 24, maybe 36 ,,over a 8 year period,, YEA, I See why we should re visit the voting laws,,,

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 05/05/12 10:17 PM
estimated 1.8 million to 2.7 million non-citizen immigrants in the United States may be illegally registered to vote and over 300,000 of them are from Texas, ILLEGALLY REGISTERED,,,,,,which means the REGISTRARS are having a problem with fraud,, not an issue that bringing ID to a poll would have anything to do with,,,,therefore not one that changing voting requirements AT THE POLLS would solve

boredinaz06 Joined Sun 10/15/06 Posts: 22764	Sat 05/05/12 11:24 PM
Things that require valid id: Driving Boarding airplanes Doctor’s office/hospital Applying for a job Pharmacy Bank Transactions Applying for school Applying for store credit Establish a utilities account Purchase a car Car registration Outpatient testing Medicare/Medicaid Open retirement account Donate blood Buy firearm Social Security services Pawn shop Writing a check Using a credit card Buying car insurance Buying train tickets Check-out book Season passes to amusement parks Apartment applications ….Requiring a voter id is NOT racist! but it may be unconstitutional,,,and disproportionately affect certain groups over others,,,regarding their 'right' to vote,,, If I have to show it so should minorities.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Sat 05/05/12 11:29 PM
Things that require valid id: Driving Boarding airplanes Doctor’s office/hospital Applying for a job Pharmacy Bank Transactions Applying for school Applying for store credit Establish a utilities account Purchase a car Car registration Outpatient testing Medicare/Medicaid Open retirement account Donate blood Buy firearm Social Security services Pawn shop Writing a check Using a credit card Buying car insurance Buying train tickets Check-out book Season passes to amusement parks Apartment applications ….Requiring a voter id is NOT racist! but it may be unconstitutional,,,and disproportionately affect certain groups over others,,,regarding their 'right' to vote,,, If I have to show it so should minorities. you shouldnt have to show it once you are registered and they begin sending you voter cards for each election,,, I dont if I dont have to show it, neither should you,,,,how about that?