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Topic: 9/11: A Conspiracy Theory
Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Mon 04/09/12 03:39 AM
Optomisitic see what I said about conspiracy theorists ignoring anything that debunks their ideas? Even you have done it. Everyone keeps ignoring the fact that there were no cascading explosions before the collapse which completely rules out a demolition. I keep pointing this out and it keeps getting ignored. Who cares if you can't understand the physics of what really happened? You can understand that sound travels and that explosives make loud sounds can't you? There has been 0 evidence of explosives even 10 years later yet people go on about this. The proof against explosives is actually much stronger than that. There is no need for lack of evidence. The Failure Mode Analysis shows clearly EXACTLY how the building did fall due to heat from the aircraft fire. There is very good video showing how the columns rotated before failure, which BTW doesn't happen with a demolition. I know there is much more proof, but that is not something everyone can understand. I am giving something that even a kid could understand and you can tell from every video of the collapse available. I wasn't arguing with you. I was just agreeing and adding info. These kids will never understand because their minds are made up and their education level isn't up to the task. Explosives were found in the debri by trained scientists the paper was submited for peer review as is the scientific method. I will take the word of trained scientists over amature propagandists any day What explosives? And you ignore trained engineers that have made reports on everything. You also ignore your own ears? You ignore the ASCE. scroll up fellow you ignore your own eyes the 911 commision itself admits they were lied to. The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission. Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report. Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes. Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.” http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php Your can defend this absurdity but your arguments are like listening to a child explain the existance of the easter bunny. so where is your much vaunted Conspiracy by the Bush Administration?

Optomistic69 Joined Mon 10/10/11 Posts: 5173	Mon 04/09/12 04:28 AM
It is too much to ask that 911 was a straight forward attack. There are and will remain many unanswered questions. We will never get the whole truth because it would be too painful. I believe there are more answers that are not understood than questions that are not answered. Can you say in all honesty if you were allowed access to all information you would not find anything that would disturb you as an American?

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Mon 04/09/12 07:10 AM
It is too much to ask that 911 was a straight forward attack. There are and will remain many unanswered questions. We will never get the whole truth because it would be too painful. I believe there are more answers that are not understood than questions that are not answered. Can you say in all honesty if you were allowed access to all information you would not find anything that would disturb you as an American? Can you I all honesty say that if I allowed you in my room you wouldn't find something that,would make you disturbed as an American? No honest person can be certain of anything they don't have all the facts to. I am certain it wasn't a demolition though. There is no questioning that. Physics doesn't lie. People lie but physics doesnt

InvictusV Joined Sun 11/23/08 Posts: 5282	Mon 04/09/12 07:41 AM
common sense and simple truths are not adequate when dealing with the sheer nonsensical nature of this conspiracy.. it is so off the charts outrageous that no amount of factual data will suffice.. an avalanche of misinformation and disregard for obvious impossible scenarios.. the worst part of this, as with the JFK conspiracy, is that people are manipulating a tragedy to make money.. it is disgusting..

Optomistic69 Joined Mon 10/10/11 Posts: 5173	Mon 04/09/12 07:56 AM
@Chazster You say on the one hand that an honest person cannot be certain without all the facts yet you are certain of your opinion. Are you saying that you are a dishonest person?

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Mon 04/09/12 09:48 AM
@Chazster You say on the one hand that an honest person cannot be certain without all the facts yet you are certain of your opinion. Are you saying that you are a dishonest person? There are enough facts to prove it wasn't a demolition. I could tell you 7x= 21. You don't have all the facts but you can solve it. Math and physics don't lie. They give us all the facts neded to disprove a demolition. That isn't saying whether or not our government had intel on whether the attacks would happen or not. So I can be honest about being sure on things we can prove with math and science. Or even what we can disprove with math and science.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Mon 04/09/12 04:30 PM
common sense and simple truths are not adequate when dealing with the sheer nonsensical nature of this conspiracy.. it is so off the charts outrageous that no amount of factual data will suffice.. an avalanche of misinformation and disregard for obvious impossible scenarios.. the worst part of this, as with the JFK conspiracy, is that people are manipulating a tragedy to make money.. it is disgusting.. How many tons of nano thermite would it take to bring down the towers into their own basements? How many days of rigging etc etc? Yet we are to believe that despite the fact they were built to withstand jet impacts they fell at near free fall speed into their own basements crumbling and vaporiseing on the way down by a little kerosene burning and an aluminum plane impact? That is what is mindboggling to me. People actualy buy into that rubbish.

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Mon 04/09/12 05:52 PM
common sense and simple truths are not adequate when dealing with the sheer nonsensical nature of this conspiracy.. it is so off the charts outrageous that no amount of factual data will suffice.. an avalanche of misinformation and disregard for obvious impossible scenarios.. the worst part of this, as with the JFK conspiracy, is that people are manipulating a tragedy to make money.. it is disgusting.. How many tons of nano thermite would it take to bring down the towers into their own basements? How many days of rigging etc etc? Yet we are to believe that despite the fact they were built to withstand jet impacts they fell at near free fall speed into their own basements crumbling and vaporiseing on the way down by a little kerosene burning and an aluminum plane impact? That is what is mindboggling to me. People actualy buy into that rubbish. What is your level of education?

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Mon 04/09/12 06:20 PM
common sense and simple truths are not adequate when dealing with the sheer nonsensical nature of this conspiracy.. it is so off the charts outrageous that no amount of factual data will suffice.. an avalanche of misinformation and disregard for obvious impossible scenarios.. the worst part of this, as with the JFK conspiracy, is that people are manipulating a tragedy to make money.. it is disgusting.. How many tons of nano thermite would it take to bring down the towers into their own basements? How many days of rigging etc etc? Yet we are to believe that despite the fact they were built to withstand jet impacts they fell at near free fall speed into their own basements crumbling and vaporiseing on the way down by a little kerosene burning and an aluminum plane impact? That is what is mindboggling to me. People actualy buy into that rubbish. What is your level of education? Whats yours that you can defend this garbage with a straight face?

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Mon 04/09/12 07:16 PM
common sense and simple truths are not adequate when dealing with the sheer nonsensical nature of this conspiracy.. it is so off the charts outrageous that no amount of factual data will suffice.. an avalanche of misinformation and disregard for obvious impossible scenarios.. the worst part of this, as with the JFK conspiracy, is that people are manipulating a tragedy to make money.. it is disgusting.. How many tons of nano thermite would it take to bring down the towers into their own basements? How many days of rigging etc etc? Yet we are to believe that despite the fact they were built to withstand jet impacts they fell at near free fall speed into their own basements crumbling and vaporiseing on the way down by a little kerosene burning and an aluminum plane impact? That is what is mindboggling to me. People actualy buy into that rubbish. What is your level of education? Whats yours that you can defend this garbage with a straight face? He is a licensed structural engineer. That pretty much makes him an expert, so again whats your education. Yes I have seen his license.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Tue 04/10/12 01:36 AM
common sense and simple truths are not adequate when dealing with the sheer nonsensical nature of this conspiracy.. it is so off the charts outrageous that no amount of factual data will suffice.. an avalanche of misinformation and disregard for obvious impossible scenarios.. the worst part of this, as with the JFK conspiracy, is that people are manipulating a tragedy to make money.. it is disgusting.. How many tons of nano thermite would it take to bring down the towers into their own basements? How many days of rigging etc etc? Yet we are to believe that despite the fact they were built to withstand jet impacts they fell at near free fall speed into their own basements crumbling and vaporiseing on the way down by a little kerosene burning and an aluminum plane impact? That is what is mindboggling to me. People actualy buy into that rubbish. What is your level of education? Whats yours that you can defend this garbage with a straight face? He is a licensed structural engineer. That pretty much makes him an expert, so again whats your education. Yes I have seen his license. I am an astronaut Do you often fly to texas to see your pal metalwing or does he fly to colorado to see you?

Optomistic69 Joined Mon 10/10/11 Posts: 5173	Tue 04/10/12 02:19 AM
I think we should get the Russians to investigate.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Tue 04/10/12 02:56 AM
I think we should get the Russians to investigate. why not the Irish?

Optomistic69 Joined Mon 10/10/11 Posts: 5173	Tue 04/10/12 05:15 AM
I think we should get the Russians to investigate. why not the Irish? Different outcome if that were to happen...we are a tenacious lot

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Tue 04/10/12 06:10 AM
I think we should get the Russians to investigate. why not the Irish? Different outcome if that were to happen...we are a tenacious lot yep,Conspiracies all over the Place!

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Tue 04/10/12 08:59 AM
You know all engineering licenses are available online. My dad got his current job because his company needed a PE so they looked in our States database. I am from Louisiana originally and my license is also in their database. At least we are not liars unlike people claiming to be astronauts.

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Tue 04/10/12 09:55 AM
You know all engineering licenses are available online. My dad got his current job because his company needed a PE so they looked in our States database. I am from Louisiana originally and my license is also in their database. At least we are not liars unlike people claiming to be astronauts. They don't know anything.

Bushidobillyclub Joined Fri 05/11/07 Posts: 5689	Tue 04/10/12 10:20 AM
Lol people still think its a conspiracy. XD. A lot of people still waiting for answers. Answers to irrational questions made up in the imagination of idiots.

Bestinshow Joined Mon 06/01/09 Posts: 5540	Tue 04/10/12 04:45 PM
It should also be noted that the same catastrophic impact of the airplanes and subsequent raging inferno that supposedly brought two of the tallest buildings in the world down in the matter of one hour somehow spared the passport of one of the alleged hijackers. It is worth clarifying that that passport, like yours and mine, was made out of paper. A well-known, highly flammable material that somehow exited the pocket of a man flying a jumbo jet into a building at 500 mph, then floated unscathed through the initial impact, zig-zagged its way through a thundering firestorm that supposedly burned hot enough to melt steel (approximately 2500 degrees Farenheit), and fluttered unharmed onto a Manhattan sidewalk to be collected by an industrious FBI agent tipped off by a citizen on Vesey St. It is important to note that the author is not making this up. Here is the AP report. We are spoon fed these absurdities by a mass-media whose inability for deductive reasoning is trumped only by our own. http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_08.htm

metalwing Joined Fri 11/14/08 Posts: 26218	Tue 04/10/12 06:22 PM
It should also be noted that the same catastrophic impact of the airplanes and subsequent raging inferno that supposedly brought two of the tallest buildings in the world down in the matter of one hour somehow spared the passport of one of the alleged hijackers. It is worth clarifying that that passport, like yours and mine, was made out of paper. A well-known, highly flammable material that somehow exited the pocket of a man flying a jumbo jet into a building at 500 mph, then floated unscathed through the initial impact, zig-zagged its way through a thundering firestorm that supposedly burned hot enough to melt steel (approximately 2500 degrees Farenheit), and fluttered unharmed onto a Manhattan sidewalk to be collected by an industrious FBI agent tipped off by a citizen on Vesey St. It is important to note that the author is not making this up. Here is the AP report. We are spoon fed these absurdities by a mass-media whose inability for deductive reasoning is trumped only by our own. http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_08.htm Did you finish high school?