No engineers said it got hot enough to melt steel. Learn about yield strength then get back to us.

Passport of suspected hijacker found in debris

Tests show Wall Street ready for business Monday
By LARRY NEUMEISTER
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS





NEW YORK -- The passport of a suspected hijacker was discovered near the ruins of the World Trade Center, authorities said Saturday as exhausted rescue workers clawed through the wreckage, searching unsuccessfully for signs of life.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2001/Sep-16-Sun-2001/news/17011253.html

Yes I did thats why I find this absurd.

I was out grilling the other day and I couldnt help but wonder with all those hot coals why my grill didnt collapse at or near free fall speed then I remembered it was built to withstand that, just like the twin towers.

They didnt build them out of tin or lead they were constructed out of high grade steel, built to withstand hurrican winds and jet impacts and earthquakes etc etc.

THe officail 911 fairytale is absurd from start to finish.

sure glad you're not in engineering!

Lol are you really that dumb? You are going to compare a grill, that's sole function is to hold a fire.
, to a building. Japan's nuclear reactors were built to withstand earthquakes. I guess the fukushima disaster was a government conspiracy right? I bet you think there was no earthquake there at all. After all it was built to distant earthquakes. That makes it indestructible.

What is really sad is that the odds of him having a high school diploma are about the same as his being an astronaut.

well nothing suggest otherwise the official explanantion people and thier crack pot theries and what not learn to accept the truth there was no inside job and yes it did happen as said

are you realy so dumb as to think the "REAL" engineers did not factor in fire and plane crashes? come on man those buildings scrumbled as if they were made out of dried mud. Only a rube would buy that absurd pancake theory.

I am a "REAL" engineer. They already stated they didn't take into consideration fully loaded planes making a full speed approach. I have talked this over with civil engineering professors. Have you? Just because you don't understand the science doesn't make it impossible.

The fact is the 9/11 Commission reported that elevators traveled from the damaged 93-99 floors all the way to the lobby causing all the windows to break which is shown in Naudet's film. Lets look at this Diagram. No West Side Elevators where in the WTC that went from top floor to the bottom floor. No windows where broken on the 77th and 22nd floor like the Commission says. Yet these elevators exploded on two separate floors then traveled through that individual floor to another elevator shaft.



Explosions in the basement level proof. Port Authority Transcripts.


transcript 37
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WTCCH. 09 - POLICE DESK - 3541 CENTER
SEPTEMBER 11,2001
WORLD TRADE CENTER - CH. 09
POLICE DESK - 3541 - CENTER
DURATION: 1.25 HOURS

PAPD OFFICER MAGGETT: Port Authority Police, Officer Maggett.
ED CALDERONE - OCC: Maggett, this is Ed at the OCC. I got word that there's an
explosion down on B-4. We got people hurt down there, B-4.
PAPD OFFICER MAGGETT: B-4?


transcript 36
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WTC - CH. 08 - POLICE DESK - 3541 LEFT
SEPTEMBER 1 1,2001
WORLD TRADE CENTER - CH. 08
POLICE DESK - 3541 LEFT
DURATION: 1:12:58

PAPD OFFICER BRADY: Port Authority Police, Officer Brady.
MALE CALLER - B-4 LEVEL: Officer, help. We're down in the B-4 level. This is
Turner's field office. There's been a big explosion. We've got water lines open. There
seems to be steam and smoke in the area.
PAPD OFFICER BRADY: Okay. Where ... where exactly on B-4?
MALE CALLER - B-4 LEVEL: Turner Construction, right outside the 50-Car. We're
across the hall from the 50-Car.
PAPD OFFICER BRADY: Is there any smoke condition there?
MALE CALLER - B-4 LEVEL: It's ... yeah, we got smoke. I don't how whether it's
from fire, or just dust. We got broken water lines, water all over.

An explosion and a bomb are 2 different things. A bomb in the basement also wouldn't bring down the building even if there was one, especially not from the point of impact. Watch any video and see the tower collapses from the point of impact, not from the bottom.

Yea discount the random witnesses who have nothing to gain........... back to my old grill, cheap rolled steal somehow withstands the intense heat of the lighter fluid and smoldering charcoal and the rack piled high with steak or burers doesnt bend or melt let alone collapse into dust and powder.

Anyone who does watch video of the towers collapse has to have a wtf moment.

Get serious. Did you finish elementary school?

The engineers that modeled the plane crash scenario admitted they used the military plane crash into the Empire State Building as the most likely scenario. A slow speed/ loss of visibility/spatial disorientation/ off course collision. Being that large passenger planes are not normally flying at 400 plus mph over Manhattan, modeling that kind of scenario and impact forces were not necessary..

This truther idea that this type of impact was modeled and was taken into consideration in design is just a pathetic attempt to add to their misinformation campaign..

Do you even know what your talking about?

First off the commision report said it was the fire that caused the collapse because as most informed people know the twin towers design paramaters included, huricans, earthquaks, fires and impacts by a jet airliner to be specific a boing 707 the largest jet of its time and just slightly smaller than a 767.

NO FREAKING WAY JUST BECAUSE THE PLANE IS A LITTLE LARGER DOES THAT IMPLY THE BUILDINGS WILL FALL AT OR NEAR FREE FALL SPEED IF IT HITS.

I feel like I am argueing with a child over the existance of the easter bunny.

They fell like they were made out of dry mud and you as a self proclaimed engineer dont see this as an issue?

If they were made out of wood they wouldnot have fallen as they did.

DUH

omg.. you guys are just nuts...don't you have anything better to do than worry about the WTC collapse? i mean 12 years ago, and all you truthers worry about is a big government coverup? read some real books about engineering, instead those dumbass truther sites, you will see how wrong you truthers are...

Everytime you post you show how little you know and understand XD.

a 500 degree heat in a BBQ grill versus a 2000 degree heat of the size of a city block... nice comparison.. and you think your smart?

Right. They even did a pretty good job of explaining it in Popular Mechanics.

Of course if someone REALLY wanted to know the nitty gritty they could read the ASCE Structural Journal but the math and jargon is heavy as they (we) argue and overanalyze every possible detail.

The failure of the two towers is somewhat like the sinking of the Titanic. It was unexpected and a world changing event. On a similar note, every detail from the rivet spacing to the grade of steel was analysied until an absolutely clear picture was drawn as to how the failures occurred.

I wonder where the truthers are regarding the Titanic? Obviously ice cannot harm steel so trained killer whales must have planted explosives along the bottom of the ship while in motion. Or perhaps the ship, passing over Atlantis, was shot by sonic beams to destroy the hull and icebergs were simply planted to fake evidence. Those Atlandians are an evil crafty bunch!

NO ONE TO THIS DAY HAVE PROVEN THAT ATLANDIANS CANNOT TELEPATHICALLY CONTROL KILLER WHALES!