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Topic: 9/11: A Conspiracy Theory
Bestinshow's photo
Sun 04/08/12 05:34 AM




I only asked you for a simple explanation.

Never mind




I've already given several.


Why do you keep coming back in on these threads then?

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BTW SS I agree with you regarding not enough evidence on either side but the government have all the evidence you require but you ain't going to get it.

Some on here do not seem to require it... surprises me that they are not government officials...or maybe they arebigsmile

Lets go over to the Barack Brand thread and try and develop a consensus...we are considered nuts on here because the government line is being toutedbigsmile and we know that the government couldn't care less about the bewildered herd


To point out the disingenuous nature of posts like yours. Truthers care nothing about the truth. Their goals are only to spread stupid lies.
Realy? The easy way is to except the offical government explanation as to why three buildings fell down at or near free fall speed and that magicly the plane that hit the pentagon managed to out wit the most sophisticated air defence system in the world.

We must then believe that Bush and Cheney had nothing to hide by refuseing to go under oath in the investigation.

We must ignore the complaints of the 911 commision itself that claimed they were lied to and misled.

We must ignore the fact that they spent less investigateing 911 than they did on clintons sexscapade.

911 was the event that created the modern american police state.


Conrad_73's photo
Sun 04/08/12 06:09 AM





I only asked you for a simple explanation.

Never mind




I've already given several.


Why do you keep coming back in on these threads then?

========================================================

BTW SS I agree with you regarding not enough evidence on either side but the government have all the evidence you require but you ain't going to get it.

Some on here do not seem to require it... surprises me that they are not government officials...or maybe they arebigsmile

Lets go over to the Barack Brand thread and try and develop a consensus...we are considered nuts on here because the government line is being toutedbigsmile and we know that the government couldn't care less about the bewildered herd


To point out the disingenuous nature of posts like yours. Truthers care nothing about the truth. Their goals are only to spread stupid lies.
Realy? The easy way is to except the offical government explanation as to why three buildings fell down at or near free fall speed and that magicly the plane that hit the pentagon managed to out wit the most sophisticated air defence system in the world.

We must then believe that Bush and Cheney had nothing to hide by refuseing to go under oath in the investigation.

We must ignore the complaints of the 911 commision itself that claimed they were lied to and misled.

We must ignore the fact that they spent less investigateing 911 than they did on clintons sexscapade.

911 was the event that created the modern american police state.


but you ignore the Fact that it was physically impossible to do those Buildings what you Conspiracy-Theorists propose!
Thus,your whole House of Cards collapses,without C4 or Thermite!:laughing:

Funny,that the Demcrats were just as Hellbent not to let a Good Crisis go to waste,as the >Republicans were!
How come Obama hasn't worked toward repealing the Patriot Act?
How come,when the Democrats had the Majority in both Houses they didn't repeal the Act,or at least parts of it?
Because it was just as useful to them,once they'd get the WH again!

So your whole Argument is moot!

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 04/08/12 06:19 AM






I only asked you for a simple explanation.

Never mind




I've already given several.


Why do you keep coming back in on these threads then?

========================================================

BTW SS I agree with you regarding not enough evidence on either side but the government have all the evidence you require but you ain't going to get it.

Some on here do not seem to require it... surprises me that they are not government officials...or maybe they arebigsmile

Lets go over to the Barack Brand thread and try and develop a consensus...we are considered nuts on here because the government line is being toutedbigsmile and we know that the government couldn't care less about the bewildered herd


To point out the disingenuous nature of posts like yours. Truthers care nothing about the truth. Their goals are only to spread stupid lies.
Realy? The easy way is to except the offical government explanation as to why three buildings fell down at or near free fall speed and that magicly the plane that hit the pentagon managed to out wit the most sophisticated air defence system in the world.

We must then believe that Bush and Cheney had nothing to hide by refuseing to go under oath in the investigation.

We must ignore the complaints of the 911 commision itself that claimed they were lied to and misled.

We must ignore the fact that they spent less investigateing 911 than they did on clintons sexscapade.

911 was the event that created the modern american police state.


but you ignore the Fact that it was physically impossible to do those Buildings what you Conspiracy-Theorists propose!
Thus,your whole House of Cards collapses,without C4 or Thermite!:laughing:

Funny,that the Demcrats were just as Hellbent not to let a Good Crisis go to waste,as the >Republicans were!
How come Obama hasn't worked toward repealing the Patriot Act?
How come,when the Democrats had the Majority in both Houses they didn't repeal the Act,or at least parts of it?
Because it was just as useful to them,once they'd get the WH again!

So your whole Argument is moot!
Both parties are two differant cheeks on the same butt.

The 911 argument is not moot its far more likely to have been an inside job than an act of terrorism.

Interviewer: International researchers have found traces of explosives among the World Trade Center rubble. A new scientific article concludes that impacts from the two hijacked aircraft did not cause the collapses in 2001.

We turn our attention to 9/11: the major attack in New York. Apparently the two airplane impacts did not cause the towers to collapse, according to a newly published scientific article. Researchers found nano-thermite explosive in the rubble, that cannot have come from the planes. They believe several tonnes of explosives were placed in the buildings in advance.

Niels Harrit, you and eight other researchers conclude in this article, that it was nano-thermite that caused these buildings to collapse. What is nano-thermite?

Niels Harrit: We found nano-thermite in the rubble. We are not saying only nano-thermite was used. Thermite itself dates back to 1893. It is a mixture of aluminum and rust-powder, which react to create intense heat. The reaction produces iron, heated to 2500 °C. This can be used to do welding. It can also be used to melt other iron. Nanotechnology makes things smaller. So in nano-thermite, this powder from 1893 is reduced to tiny particles, perfectly mixed. When these react, the intense heat develops much more quickly. Nano-thermite can be mixed with additives to give off intense heat, or serve as a very effective explosive. It contains more energy than dynamite, and can be used as rocket fuel.

http://bigeye.com/nanothermite.htm

This is not the first researcher to make this claim but with the media firmly in the hands of the criminals all I expect is more news about american idle and sports.

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 04/08/12 06:23 AM
Interviewer: So you are in no doubt the material was present?

Harrit: You cannot fudge this kind of science. We have found it: unreacted thermite.

Interviewer: What responses has your article received around the world? It is completely new knowledge for me.

Harrit: It was only published last Friday. So it is too early to say. But the article may not be as groundbreaking as you think. Hundreds of thousands of people around the world, have long known that the three buildings were demolished. This has been crystal clear. Our research is just the last nail in the coffin. This is not the "smoking gun"--it is the "loaded gun." Each day, thousands of people realize that the WTC was demolished. That is something unstoppable.

http://bigeye.com/nanothermite.htm

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 04/08/12 06:29 AM

Interviewer: So you are in no doubt the material was present?

Harrit: You cannot fudge this kind of science. We have found it: unreacted thermite.

Interviewer: What responses has your article received around the world? It is completely new knowledge for me.

Harrit: It was only published last Friday. So it is too early to say. But the article may not be as groundbreaking as you think. Hundreds of thousands of people around the world, have long known that the three buildings were demolished. This has been crystal clear. Our research is just the last nail in the coffin. This is not the "smoking gun"--it is the "loaded gun." Each day, thousands of people realize that the WTC was demolished. That is something unstoppable.

http://bigeye.com/nanothermite.htm
you have the same problem!
When and how was it installed without anyone seeing it?
That argument suffers from the same weakness the Explosive-Argument suffers from!
When and how was it installed?

Besides,it's not even sure those Particles were indeed from Termite!
Not in a Building full of Steel,Aluminum and Magnesium!

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 04/08/12 06:39 AM


Interviewer: So you are in no doubt the material was present?

Harrit: You cannot fudge this kind of science. We have found it: unreacted thermite.

Interviewer: What responses has your article received around the world? It is completely new knowledge for me.

Harrit: It was only published last Friday. So it is too early to say. But the article may not be as groundbreaking as you think. Hundreds of thousands of people around the world, have long known that the three buildings were demolished. This has been crystal clear. Our research is just the last nail in the coffin. This is not the "smoking gun"--it is the "loaded gun." Each day, thousands of people realize that the WTC was demolished. That is something unstoppable.

http://bigeye.com/nanothermite.htm
you have the same problem!
When and how was it installed without anyone seeing it?
That argument suffers from the same weakness the Explosive-Argument suffers from!
When and how was it installed?

Besides,it's not even sure those Particles were indeed from Termite!
Not in a Building full of Steel,Aluminum and Magnesium!
It gets weirder still.


Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. [Utne]
According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down."

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 04/08/12 06:42 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sun 04/08/12 06:44 AM



Interviewer: So you are in no doubt the material was present?

Harrit: You cannot fudge this kind of science. We have found it: unreacted thermite.

Interviewer: What responses has your article received around the world? It is completely new knowledge for me.

Harrit: It was only published last Friday. So it is too early to say. But the article may not be as groundbreaking as you think. Hundreds of thousands of people around the world, have long known that the three buildings were demolished. This has been crystal clear. Our research is just the last nail in the coffin. This is not the "smoking gun"--it is the "loaded gun." Each day, thousands of people realize that the WTC was demolished. That is something unstoppable.

http://bigeye.com/nanothermite.htm
you have the same problem!
When and how was it installed without anyone seeing it?
That argument suffers from the same weakness the Explosive-Argument suffers from!
When and how was it installed?

Besides,it's not even sure those Particles were indeed from Termite!
Not in a Building full of Steel,Aluminum and Magnesium!
It gets weirder still.


Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. [Utne]
According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down."

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html
so what?
You can't hide an Operation like that from the People coming to work in those Towers everyday!
And it will take time to install stuff like that besides,so a Holiday or Weekend wouldn't be near sufficient!
Man,you grasping at Straws!

:laughing:

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 04/08/12 06:47 AM
Mr Conrad any serious researcher pretty much puts their career on the line makeing statements that thermite was found he published a paper subject to peer review its pretty cut and dry at this point.

The trouble is the media and the government are firmly in the control of the criminals.

After the media failed to do its job on 911 and cheerlead this country to war and remained silent on the creeping police state they became accomplises.

I see a grim future for the people in this country.

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 04/08/12 06:55 AM




Interviewer: So you are in no doubt the material was present?

Harrit: You cannot fudge this kind of science. We have found it: unreacted thermite.

Interviewer: What responses has your article received around the world? It is completely new knowledge for me.

Harrit: It was only published last Friday. So it is too early to say. But the article may not be as groundbreaking as you think. Hundreds of thousands of people around the world, have long known that the three buildings were demolished. This has been crystal clear. Our research is just the last nail in the coffin. This is not the "smoking gun"--it is the "loaded gun." Each day, thousands of people realize that the WTC was demolished. That is something unstoppable.

http://bigeye.com/nanothermite.htm
you have the same problem!
When and how was it installed without anyone seeing it?
That argument suffers from the same weakness the Explosive-Argument suffers from!
When and how was it installed?

Besides,it's not even sure those Particles were indeed from Termite!
Not in a Building full of Steel,Aluminum and Magnesium!
It gets weirder still.


Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. [Utne]
According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down."

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html
so what?
You can't hide an Operation like that from the People coming to work in those Towers everyday!
And it will take time to install stuff like that besides,so a Holiday or Weekend wouldn't be near sufficient!
Man,you grasping at Straws!

:laughing:
Of course you can how do you think Nixon broke into the watergate towers?

How many things did his "plumbers" do that they didnt get caught doing?

I am sure if you have a man or men on the inside it would be childs play it didnt have to happen over night it could have been weeks or even months in the makeing. Not many employees I am sure are permited to climb around on the internal trusses and supports.

all we realy have is evidence of explosives written papers subject to peer review by those who have nothing to gain at all by doing it risking their careers for the sake of this country.

A verry patriotic thing to do by the way

Chazster's photo
Sun 04/08/12 08:52 AM
Optomisitic see what I said about conspiracy theorists ignoring anything that debunks their ideas? Even you have done it. Everyone keeps ignoring the fact that there were no cascading explosions before the collapse which completely rules out a demolition. I keep pointing this out and it keeps getting ignored. Who cares if you can't understand the physics of what really happened? You can understand that sound travels and that explosives make loud sounds can't you? There has been 0 evidence of explosives even 10 years later yet people go on about this.

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 04/08/12 09:34 AM





Interviewer: So you are in no doubt the material was present?

Harrit: You cannot fudge this kind of science. We have found it: unreacted thermite.

Interviewer: What responses has your article received around the world? It is completely new knowledge for me.

Harrit: It was only published last Friday. So it is too early to say. But the article may not be as groundbreaking as you think. Hundreds of thousands of people around the world, have long known that the three buildings were demolished. This has been crystal clear. Our research is just the last nail in the coffin. This is not the "smoking gun"--it is the "loaded gun." Each day, thousands of people realize that the WTC was demolished. That is something unstoppable.

http://bigeye.com/nanothermite.htm
you have the same problem!
When and how was it installed without anyone seeing it?
That argument suffers from the same weakness the Explosive-Argument suffers from!
When and how was it installed?

Besides,it's not even sure those Particles were indeed from Termite!
Not in a Building full of Steel,Aluminum and Magnesium!
It gets weirder still.


Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. [Utne]
According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down."

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html
so what?
You can't hide an Operation like that from the People coming to work in those Towers everyday!
And it will take time to install stuff like that besides,so a Holiday or Weekend wouldn't be near sufficient!
Man,you grasping at Straws!

:laughing:
Of course you can how do you think Nixon broke into the watergate towers?

How many things did his "plumbers" do that they didnt get caught doing?

I am sure if you have a man or men on the inside it would be childs play it didnt have to happen over night it could have been weeks or even months in the makeing. Not many employees I am sure are permited to climb around on the internal trusses and supports.

all we realy have is evidence of explosives written papers subject to peer review by those who have nothing to gain at all by doing it risking their careers for the sake of this country.

A verry patriotic thing to do by the way
all the stuff you're bringing up is subjective!
Nothing to do with the Physics of the case!
It's not even Circumstantial!
Not even Theory!

metalwing's photo
Sun 04/08/12 02:15 PM

Optomisitic see what I said about conspiracy theorists ignoring anything that debunks their ideas? Even you have done it. Everyone keeps ignoring the fact that there were no cascading explosions before the collapse which completely rules out a demolition. I keep pointing this out and it keeps getting ignored. Who cares if you can't understand the physics of what really happened? You can understand that sound travels and that explosives make loud sounds can't you? There has been 0 evidence of explosives even 10 years later yet people go on about this.


The proof against explosives is actually much stronger than that. There is no need for lack of evidence. The Failure Mode Analysis shows clearly EXACTLY how the building did fall due to heat from the aircraft fire. There is very good video showing how the columns rotated before failure, which BTW doesn't happen with a demolition.

Chazster's photo
Sun 04/08/12 03:13 PM


Optomisitic see what I said about conspiracy theorists ignoring anything that debunks their ideas? Even you have done it. Everyone keeps ignoring the fact that there were no cascading explosions before the collapse which completely rules out a demolition. I keep pointing this out and it keeps getting ignored. Who cares if you can't understand the physics of what really happened? You can understand that sound travels and that explosives make loud sounds can't you? There has been 0 evidence of explosives even 10 years later yet people go on about this.


The proof against explosives is actually much stronger than that. There is no need for lack of evidence. The Failure Mode Analysis shows clearly EXACTLY how the building did fall due to heat from the aircraft fire. There is very good video showing how the columns rotated before failure, which BTW doesn't happen with a demolition.


I know there is much more proof, but that is not something everyone can understand. I am giving something that even a kid could understand and you can tell from every video of the collapse available.

metalwing's photo
Sun 04/08/12 05:18 PM



Optomisitic see what I said about conspiracy theorists ignoring anything that debunks their ideas? Even you have done it. Everyone keeps ignoring the fact that there were no cascading explosions before the collapse which completely rules out a demolition. I keep pointing this out and it keeps getting ignored. Who cares if you can't understand the physics of what really happened? You can understand that sound travels and that explosives make loud sounds can't you? There has been 0 evidence of explosives even 10 years later yet people go on about this.


The proof against explosives is actually much stronger than that. There is no need for lack of evidence. The Failure Mode Analysis shows clearly EXACTLY how the building did fall due to heat from the aircraft fire. There is very good video showing how the columns rotated before failure, which BTW doesn't happen with a demolition.


I know there is much more proof, but that is not something everyone can understand. I am giving something that even a kid could understand and you can tell from every video of the collapse available.


I wasn't arguing with you. I was just agreeing and adding info.

These kids will never understand because their minds are made up and their education level isn't up to the task.

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 04/08/12 06:10 PM




Optomisitic see what I said about conspiracy theorists ignoring anything that debunks their ideas? Even you have done it. Everyone keeps ignoring the fact that there were no cascading explosions before the collapse which completely rules out a demolition. I keep pointing this out and it keeps getting ignored. Who cares if you can't understand the physics of what really happened? You can understand that sound travels and that explosives make loud sounds can't you? There has been 0 evidence of explosives even 10 years later yet people go on about this.


The proof against explosives is actually much stronger than that. There is no need for lack of evidence. The Failure Mode Analysis shows clearly EXACTLY how the building did fall due to heat from the aircraft fire. There is very good video showing how the columns rotated before failure, which BTW doesn't happen with a demolition.


I know there is much more proof, but that is not something everyone can understand. I am giving something that even a kid could understand and you can tell from every video of the collapse available.


I wasn't arguing with you. I was just agreeing and adding info.

These kids will never understand because their minds are made up and their education level isn't up to the task.
Explosives were found in the debri by trained scientists the paper was submited for peer review as is the scientific method.

I will take the word of trained scientists over amature propagandists any daylaugh

Optomistic69's photo
Sun 04/08/12 06:28 PM
It is too much to ask that 911 was a straight forward attack.

There are and will remain many unanswered questions.

We will never get the whole truth because it would be too painful.

Chazster's photo
Sun 04/08/12 08:17 PM





Optomisitic see what I said about conspiracy theorists ignoring anything that debunks their ideas? Even you have done it. Everyone keeps ignoring the fact that there were no cascading explosions before the collapse which completely rules out a demolition. I keep pointing this out and it keeps getting ignored. Who cares if you can't understand the physics of what really happened? You can understand that sound travels and that explosives make loud sounds can't you? There has been 0 evidence of explosives even 10 years later yet people go on about this.


The proof against explosives is actually much stronger than that. There is no need for lack of evidence. The Failure Mode Analysis shows clearly EXACTLY how the building did fall due to heat from the aircraft fire. There is very good video showing how the columns rotated before failure, which BTW doesn't happen with a demolition.


I know there is much more proof, but that is not something everyone can understand. I am giving something that even a kid could understand and you can tell from every video of the collapse available.


I wasn't arguing with you. I was just agreeing and adding info.

These kids will never understand because their minds are made up and their education level isn't up to the task.
Explosives were found in the debri by trained scientists the paper was submited for peer review as is the scientific method.

I will take the word of trained scientists over amature propagandists any daylaugh


What explosives? And you ignore trained engineers that have made reports on everything. You also ignore your own ears? You ignore the ASCE.

Chazster's photo
Sun 04/08/12 08:18 PM

It is too much to ask that 911 was a straight forward attack.

There are and will remain many unanswered questions.

We will never get the whole truth because it would be too painful.



I believe there are more answers that are not understood than questions that are not answered.

Troubled's photo
Sun 04/08/12 08:34 PM



What explosives? And you ignore trained engineers that have made reports on everything. You also ignore your own ears? You ignore the ASCE.
Yup

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 04/09/12 01:30 AM
Edited by Bestinshow on Mon 04/09/12 01:42 AM






Optomisitic see what I said about conspiracy theorists ignoring anything that debunks their ideas? Even you have done it. Everyone keeps ignoring the fact that there were no cascading explosions before the collapse which completely rules out a demolition. I keep pointing this out and it keeps getting ignored. Who cares if you can't understand the physics of what really happened? You can understand that sound travels and that explosives make loud sounds can't you? There has been 0 evidence of explosives even 10 years later yet people go on about this.


The proof against explosives is actually much stronger than that. There is no need for lack of evidence. The Failure Mode Analysis shows clearly EXACTLY how the building did fall due to heat from the aircraft fire. There is very good video showing how the columns rotated before failure, which BTW doesn't happen with a demolition.


I know there is much more proof, but that is not something everyone can understand. I am giving something that even a kid could understand and you can tell from every video of the collapse available.


I wasn't arguing with you. I was just agreeing and adding info.

These kids will never understand because their minds are made up and their education level isn't up to the task.
Explosives were found in the debri by trained scientists the paper was submited for peer review as is the scientific method.

I will take the word of trained scientists over amature propagandists any daylaugh


What explosives? And you ignore trained engineers that have made reports on everything. You also ignore your own ears? You ignore the ASCE.
scroll up fellowlaugh you ignore your own eyes
the 911 commision itself admits they were lied to.


The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.

Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.

Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112009/911_truth_9-11-09.php

Your can defend this absurdity but your arguments are like listening to a child explain the existance of the easter bunny.

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