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Edited by
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THE ORLANDO SENTINEL reported,,,
thats an unverified CLAIM, not an official statement or document,,,, we already know what Zimmerman SAID, but I can SAY I hung out with Smokey Robinson today,, wouldnt make it a FACT |
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THE ORLANDO SENTINEL reported,,, thats an unverified CLAIM, not an official statement or document,,,, we already know what Zimmerman SAID, but I can SAY I hung out with Smokey Robinson today,, wouldnt make it a FACT No the fact that he hasn't been arrested and wasn't going to be proves it. |
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Edited by
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The cops were in Zimmerman’s corner, protecting him, from the very beginning—and treating Trayvon Martin like he was the criminal: ● The police didn’t charge Zimmerman with anything, accepting his claim that he acted in self-defense... even though Zimmerman had a gun and Trayvon Martin was “armed” with Skittles and an iced-tea; even though Zimmerman weighs 250 pounds and Trayvon Martin weighed 140 pounds. ● The police told Trayvon’s father one reason Zimmerman wasn’t arrested was because they respected his education background in criminal justice and he had a “squeaky clean” record... ● The police corrected a witness who said she heard a very young voice cry for help, telling her to say she heard Zimmerman call for help... even though three witnesses said they heard the “desperate wail of a child, a gunshot, and then silence.” (Miami Herald) ● The police did a background check on Trayvon Martin as he lay dead, but not on Zimmerman, the murderer. They tested Trayvon Martin’s blood for alcohol and drugs but not Zimmerman’s. ● The police didn’t even talk to Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend, who had been on the phone with him before and during part of the attack. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29987 The police were and are in Zimmers corner because of the facts. Fact one Martin was a juvenile deliquent who was currently on suspension from school for drug and other offenses. Fact two Zimmerman backed off when told by the dispatcher. Witness accounts show that Martin approached Zimmer after he backed off and asked hi if he had a problem and when Zimmer stated no Martin stated you do now and priceeded to attack Zimmer. Fact three an eye witness who is not related to and did not know Zimmerman stated that Zimmerman was on the ground screaming for help as Martin was on top of him beating the daylights our of him. I can keep going if you want. This is why crap shouldn't be tried in the court of public opinion and in the court of law. Fact two is not a fact at all, it is a claim,, there is nothing physical to confirm or deny it,,,, I also would like to be pointed to OFFICIAL document stating from a witness that they saw martin approach zimmer after he backed off...or the other you do now ,,,,,and Im not speaking about JUST news accounts or blogs,,,, I also would like to see the evidence of a report taken AT THE TIME by police that someone saw zimmerman on the ground and the accompanying 911 call that would have certainly followed to validate the 'witness' claim the only FACT there is that Martin had been suspended for having a marijuana baggie,,, the rest are unverified CLAIMS,,,,,being reported by media and repeated by their competitors The Orlando Sentinel reported that Zimmerman told police he lost Martin in the neighborhood he regularly patrolled and was walking back to his vehicle last month when the youth approached him from behind. The two exchanged words, Zimmerman said, and Martin punched him, jumped on top of him and began banging his head on a sidewalk. Zimmerman said he began crying for help; Martin's family thinks it was their son who was crying out. Witness accounts differ, and emergency tapes in which the voices are heard are not clear. A statement from Sanford, Florida police said the newspaper story was "consistent" with evidence turned over to prosecutors. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/27/police-zimmerman-story-is-consistent-with-evidence-in-trayvon-martin-shooting/#ixzz1qOe8F2eo Police are confirming the evidence backs up Zimmermans timeline of events. Oh yeam, good, honest hard working kids dont get suspended from school. and good law abiding men dont go around beating on their girlfriends or pushing on cops unless they do people arent perfect, the kid was 'good' enough to be volunteering several days a week and getting As and Bs in school,,,,, but I guess if a teen smokes pot or uses graffiti that i ndicates they probably are violent, tooo and likewise, an actual HISTORY of aggressive behavior might indicate someone is probably violent when offended as well and since we can assume neither KNEW what type of past behaviors the other had, lets assume they could only judge based upon the actions THAT night (when a grown man possessing a gun followed a 'suspicious' kid and a kid fought with that man and lost his life) and since we will assume both MIGHT Have a violent propensity, why dont we investigate what ACTUALLY happened as opposed to just taking the shooters word for it,,? |
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Edited by
Lpdon
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The cops were in Zimmerman’s corner, protecting him, from the very beginning—and treating Trayvon Martin like he was the criminal: ● The police didn’t charge Zimmerman with anything, accepting his claim that he acted in self-defense... even though Zimmerman had a gun and Trayvon Martin was “armed” with Skittles and an iced-tea; even though Zimmerman weighs 250 pounds and Trayvon Martin weighed 140 pounds. ● The police told Trayvon’s father one reason Zimmerman wasn’t arrested was because they respected his education background in criminal justice and he had a “squeaky clean” record... ● The police corrected a witness who said she heard a very young voice cry for help, telling her to say she heard Zimmerman call for help... even though three witnesses said they heard the “desperate wail of a child, a gunshot, and then silence.” (Miami Herald) ● The police did a background check on Trayvon Martin as he lay dead, but not on Zimmerman, the murderer. They tested Trayvon Martin’s blood for alcohol and drugs but not Zimmerman’s. ● The police didn’t even talk to Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend, who had been on the phone with him before and during part of the attack. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29987 The police were and are in Zimmers corner because of the facts. Fact one Martin was a juvenile deliquent who was currently on suspension from school for drug and other offenses. Fact two Zimmerman backed off when told by the dispatcher. Witness accounts show that Martin approached Zimmer after he backed off and asked hi if he had a problem and when Zimmer stated no Martin stated you do now and priceeded to attack Zimmer. Fact three an eye witness who is not related to and did not know Zimmerman stated that Zimmerman was on the ground screaming for help as Martin was on top of him beating the daylights our of him. I can keep going if you want. This is why crap shouldn't be tried in the court of public opinion and in the court of law. Fact two is not a fact at all, it is a claim,, there is nothing physical to confirm or deny it,,,, I also would like to be pointed to OFFICIAL document stating from a witness that they saw martin approach zimmer after he backed off...or the other you do now ,,,,,and Im not speaking about JUST news accounts or blogs,,,, I also would like to see the evidence of a report taken AT THE TIME by police that someone saw zimmerman on the ground and the accompanying 911 call that would have certainly followed to validate the 'witness' claim the only FACT there is that Martin had been suspended for having a marijuana baggie,,, the rest are unverified CLAIMS,,,,,being reported by media and repeated by their competitors The Orlando Sentinel reported that Zimmerman told police he lost Martin in the neighborhood he regularly patrolled and was walking back to his vehicle last month when the youth approached him from behind. The two exchanged words, Zimmerman said, and Martin punched him, jumped on top of him and began banging his head on a sidewalk. Zimmerman said he began crying for help; Martin's family thinks it was their son who was crying out. Witness accounts differ, and emergency tapes in which the voices are heard are not clear. A statement from Sanford, Florida police said the newspaper story was "consistent" with evidence turned over to prosecutors. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/27/police-zimmerman-story-is-consistent-with-evidence-in-trayvon-martin-shooting/#ixzz1qOe8F2eo Police are confirming the evidence backs up Zimmermans timeline of events. Oh yeam, good, honest hard working kids dont get suspended from school. and good law abiding men dont go around beating on their girlfriends or pushing on cops unless they do people arent perfect, the kid was 'good' enough to be volunteering several days a week and getting As and Bs in school,,,,, but I guess if a teen smokes pot or uses graffiti that i ndicates they probably are violent, tooo and likewise, an actual HISTORY of aggressive behavior might indicate someone is probably violent when offended as well and since we can assume neither KNEW what type of past behaviors the other had, lets assume they could only judge based upon the actions THAT night (when a grown man possessing a gun followed a 'suspicious' kid and a kid fought with that man and lost his life) and since we will assume both MIGHT Have a violent propensity, why dont we investigate what ACTUALLY happened as opposed to just taking the shooters word for it,,? He was volunteering to make himself look better to end the suspension early.  They investigated what happened and witnesses confirmed what Zimmersaid but because it didn't paint the little black boy as a saint it can not possibly be accurate can it? 
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Wed 03/28/12 12:30 PM
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There are two main moments in this case that are extremely important.
. . . and really only two. Either man could have started the fight, but this is ACTUALLY, not an element that is important to the legitimacy of the self defense claim. A fist fight can occur where both parties claim the other started it. If at any time one person is able to disable, knock down, or otherwise prevent the other party from effectively continuing in the fight then the "fair" part of the fight is over. It is now an unequal force equation. Once this occurs the person who was able to render their opponent disabled, or knock them out of an equal force stand up fight, then they have the ability to disengage. This is a pivotal moment in any physical altercation. The right thing to do is disengage. The wrong thing to do is to continue to attack the person who has been knocked down, or rendered disabled. A person who gets hit in the face who is off balance and stumbling around is just as disabled as a person who is knocked down (dont have the case law handy, but its out there). In this particular case, the most pivotal piece of evidence is the witness who says he saw Zimmerman on his back, and Martin continuing the attack. When this person came out and claims to have yelled for Martin to stop his attack, this was ANOTHER point at which Martin had a choice to end the encounter. With a third party on the scene it makes sense to stop attacking and seek an establishment of the facts. So twice he had an option to end the attack, regardless of how the scenario started this means that Martin through his own choices and actions setup a scenario where the person being attacked did not know that his attacker would stop. This establishes an objective reasonable belief that deadly force was needed to stop the attack. People die from beatings all the time, if the beating is not going to stop, you are going to die. < objective. This is so over the top damning that any third party who understands the law would be hard pressed to even imagine any possible evidence could over turn such a thing. These are the facts which make an arrest on Zimmerman highly unlikely to ever occur for the crime of manslaughter. |
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The cops were in Zimmerman’s corner, protecting him, from the very beginning—and treating Trayvon Martin like he was the criminal: ● The police didn’t charge Zimmerman with anything, accepting his claim that he acted in self-defense... even though Zimmerman had a gun and Trayvon Martin was “armed” with Skittles and an iced-tea; even though Zimmerman weighs 250 pounds and Trayvon Martin weighed 140 pounds. ● The police told Trayvon’s father one reason Zimmerman wasn’t arrested was because they respected his education background in criminal justice and he had a “squeaky clean” record... ● The police corrected a witness who said she heard a very young voice cry for help, telling her to say she heard Zimmerman call for help... even though three witnesses said they heard the “desperate wail of a child, a gunshot, and then silence.” (Miami Herald) ● The police did a background check on Trayvon Martin as he lay dead, but not on Zimmerman, the murderer. They tested Trayvon Martin’s blood for alcohol and drugs but not Zimmerman’s. ● The police didn’t even talk to Trayvon Martin’s girlfriend, who had been on the phone with him before and during part of the attack. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29987 The police were and are in Zimmers corner because of the facts. Fact one Martin was a juvenile deliquent who was currently on suspension from school for drug and other offenses. Fact two Zimmerman backed off when told by the dispatcher. Witness accounts show that Martin approached Zimmer after he backed off and asked hi if he had a problem and when Zimmer stated no Martin stated you do now and priceeded to attack Zimmer. Fact three an eye witness who is not related to and did not know Zimmerman stated that Zimmerman was on the ground screaming for help as Martin was on top of him beating the daylights our of him. I can keep going if you want. This is why crap shouldn't be tried in the court of public opinion and in the court of law. Fact two is not a fact at all, it is a claim,, there is nothing physical to confirm or deny it,,,, I also would like to be pointed to OFFICIAL document stating from a witness that they saw martin approach zimmer after he backed off...or the other you do now ,,,,,and Im not speaking about JUST news accounts or blogs,,,, I also would like to see the evidence of a report taken AT THE TIME by police that someone saw zimmerman on the ground and the accompanying 911 call that would have certainly followed to validate the 'witness' claim the only FACT there is that Martin had been suspended for having a marijuana baggie,,, the rest are unverified CLAIMS,,,,,being reported by media and repeated by their competitors The Orlando Sentinel reported that Zimmerman told police he lost Martin in the neighborhood he regularly patrolled and was walking back to his vehicle last month when the youth approached him from behind. The two exchanged words, Zimmerman said, and Martin punched him, jumped on top of him and began banging his head on a sidewalk. Zimmerman said he began crying for help; Martin's family thinks it was their son who was crying out. Witness accounts differ, and emergency tapes in which the voices are heard are not clear. A statement from Sanford, Florida police said the newspaper story was "consistent" with evidence turned over to prosecutors. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/27/police-zimmerman-story-is-consistent-with-evidence-in-trayvon-martin-shooting/#ixzz1qOe8F2eo Police are confirming the evidence backs up Zimmermans timeline of events. Oh yeam, good, honest hard working kids dont get suspended from school. and good law abiding men dont go around beating on their girlfriends or pushing on cops unless they do people arent perfect, the kid was 'good' enough to be volunteering several days a week and getting As and Bs in school,,,,, but I guess if a teen smokes pot or uses graffiti that i ndicates they probably are violent, tooo and likewise, an actual HISTORY of aggressive behavior might indicate someone is probably violent when offended as well and since we can assume neither KNEW what type of past behaviors the other had, lets assume they could only judge based upon the actions THAT night (when a grown man possessing a gun followed a 'suspicious' kid and a kid fought with that man and lost his life) and since we will assume both MIGHT Have a violent propensity, why dont we investigate what ACTUALLY happened as opposed to just taking the shooters word for it,,? He was volunteering to make himself look better to end the suspension early. They investigated what happened and witnesses confirmed what Zimmersaid but because it didn't paint the little black boy as a saint it can not possibly be accurate can it? I dont really know. The witnesses were multiple on a dark and rainy night and their own statements dont exactly match each other. Im not sure which of those several witnesses you are referring to that confirmed zimmerman was just confronted and cold sucker punched by the kid,, but it would be interesting to hear since the tapes were all of 911 calls of people that were only ALARMED from the noise of the crying that I presume would have begun AFTER a fight began. btw. He volunteered for six YEARS,,I dont think it has anything to do with being suspended for ten days. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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There are two main moments in this case that are extremely important. . . . and really only two. Either man could have started the fight, but this is ACTUALLY, not an element that is important to the legitimacy of the self defense claim. A fist fight can occur where both parties claim the other started it. If at any time one person is able to disable, knock down, or otherwise prevent the other party from effectively continuing in the fight then the "fair" part of the fight is over. It is now an unequal force equation. Once this occurs the person who was able to render their opponent disabled, or knock them out of an equal force stand up fight, then they have the ability to disengage. This is a pivotal moment in any physical altercation. The right thing to do is disengage. The wrong thing to do is to continue to attack the person who has been knocked down, or rendered disabled. A person who gets hit in the face who is off balance and stumbling around is just as disabled as a person who is knocked down (dont have the case law handy, but its out there). In this particular case, the most pivotal piece of evidence is the witness who says he saw Zimmerman on his back, and Martin continuing the attack. When this person came out and claims to have yelled for Martin to stop his attack, this was ANOTHER point at which Martin had a choice to end the encounter. With a third party on the scene it makes sense to stop attacking and seek an establishment of the facts. So twice he had an option to end the attack, regardless of how the scenario started this means that Martin through his own choices and actions setup a scenario where the person being attacked did not know that his attacker would stop. This establishes an objective reasonable belief that deadly force was needed to stop the attack. People die from beatings all the time, if the beating is not going to stop, you are going to die. < objective. This is so over the top damning that any third party who understands the law would be hard pressed to even imagine any possible evidence could over turn such a thing. These are the facts which make an arrest on Zimmerman highly unlikely to ever occur for the crime of manslaughter. nonsense. IF A GUN IS INVOLVED< disengaging stops being an option because noone can outrun a bullet,,,, not to mention the scenario is not legally accurate either as to what constitutes self defense the UCR itself states "As a general rule, any death caused by injuries received in a fight, argument, quarrel, assault, or commission of a crime is classified as Murder and Nonnegligent Manslaughter " so there is no steadfast rule thats going to back up an automatic self defense just because the last man standing has injuries from a fight with the deceased,,,, in this case there is sufficient evidence to prove either self defense or non negligent manslaughter,,,at the least |
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Bottom line, the kid acted like a punk and got his a$$ handed to him. ANY reasonabe person who notices someone following them will not go and confront them unless they are trying to be a punk or a tough guy. They will either get their phone out and dial 9-11 or go to the first house or business and get help.
This kid was nothing more then a punk who had a history of delenquency, tough guy acting and drugs. |
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Bottom line, the kid acted like a punk and got his a$$ handed to him. ANY reasonabe person who notices someone following them will not go and confront them unless they are trying to be a punk or a tough guy. They will either get their phone out and dial 9-11 or go to the first house or business and get help. This kid was nothing more then a punk who had a history of delenquency, tough guy acting and drugs. I wouldnt continue to promote the idea that 'punks' deserve death,,,,different people may define 'punk' differently,,, we will let the facts speak for themself when it goes to court, but Zimmermans story seems to be falling apart and being edited daily,,,, |
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Bottom line, the kid acted like a punk and got his a$$ handed to him. ANY reasonabe person who notices someone following them will not go and confront them unless they are trying to be a punk or a tough guy. They will either get their phone out and dial 9-11 or go to the first house or business and get help. This kid was nothing more then a punk who had a history of delenquency, tough guy acting and drugs. I wouldnt continue to promote the idea that 'punks' deserve death,,,,different people may define 'punk' differently,,, we will let the facts speak for themself when it goes to court, but Zimmermans story seems to be falling apart and being edited daily,,,, I didn't say they deserve death, it is a possible consequence of their actions. There are only two places for a punk tough guy jail or the morgue. |
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It's being edited by a news media agenda that goes along with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
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Bottom line, the kid acted like a punk and got his a$$ handed to him. ANY reasonabe person who notices someone following them will not go and confront them unless they are trying to be a punk or a tough guy. They will either get their phone out and dial 9-11 or go to the first house or business and get help. This kid was nothing more then a punk who had a history of delenquency, tough guy acting and drugs. I wouldnt continue to promote the idea that 'punks' deserve death,,,,different people may define 'punk' differently,,, we will let the facts speak for themself when it goes to court, but Zimmermans story seems to be falling apart and being edited daily,,,, I didn't say they deserve death, it is a possible consequence of their actions. There are only two places for a punk tough guy jail or the morgue. so why is Zimmerman in neither, after all, he has assaulted an officer and had domestic abuse charges and been fired for being an overly aggressive security guard,,,,, but then, his dad is a retired JUDGE,,,,,(coincidence?) |
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Bottom line, the kid acted like a punk and got his a$$ handed to him. ANY reasonabe person who notices someone following them will not go and confront them unless they are trying to be a punk or a tough guy. They will either get their phone out and dial 9-11 or go to the first house or business and get help. This kid was nothing more then a punk who had a history of delenquency, tough guy acting and drugs. I wouldnt continue to promote the idea that 'punks' deserve death,,,,different people may define 'punk' differently,,, we will let the facts speak for themself when it goes to court, but Zimmermans story seems to be falling apart and being edited daily,,,, I didn't say they deserve death, it is a possible consequence of their actions. There are only two places for a punk tough guy jail or the morgue. so why is Zimmerman in neither, after all, he has assaulted an officer and had domestic abuse charges and been fired for being an overly aggressive security guard,,,,, but then, his dad is a retired JUDGE,,,,,(coincidence?) He wasn't being a punk that night. people make mistakes and learn from them. THe punk kid nidn't learn from them. |
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Bottom line, the kid acted like a punk and got his a$$ handed to him. ANY reasonabe person who notices someone following them will not go and confront them unless they are trying to be a punk or a tough guy. They will either get their phone out and dial 9-11 or go to the first house or business and get help. This kid was nothing more then a punk who had a history of delenquency, tough guy acting and drugs. I wouldnt continue to promote the idea that 'punks' deserve death,,,,different people may define 'punk' differently,,, we will let the facts speak for themself when it goes to court, but Zimmermans story seems to be falling apart and being edited daily,,,, I didn't say they deserve death, it is a possible consequence of their actions. There are only two places for a punk tough guy jail or the morgue. so why is Zimmerman in neither, after all, he has assaulted an officer and had domestic abuse charges and been fired for being an overly aggressive security guard,,,,, but then, his dad is a retired JUDGE,,,,,(coincidence?) He wasn't being a punk that night. people make mistakes and learn from them. THe punk kid nidn't learn from them. HAAAAA,, operative word KID as opposed to a MAN with a charge for resisting with violence, and two charges of domestic abuse,, who should have learned,,,,? as I was saying, the facts will come out,,,and Zimmermans story is falling apart |
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Bottom line, the kid acted like a punk and got his a$$ handed to him. ANY reasonabe person who notices someone following them will not go and confront them unless they are trying to be a punk or a tough guy. They will either get their phone out and dial 9-11 or go to the first house or business and get help. This kid was nothing more then a punk who had a history of delenquency, tough guy acting and drugs. I wouldnt continue to promote the idea that 'punks' deserve death,,,,different people may define 'punk' differently,,, we will let the facts speak for themself when it goes to court, but Zimmermans story seems to be falling apart and being edited daily,,,, I didn't say they deserve death, it is a possible consequence of their actions. There are only two places for a punk tough guy jail or the morgue. so why is Zimmerman in neither, after all, he has assaulted an officer and had domestic abuse charges and been fired for being an overly aggressive security guard,,,,, but then, his dad is a retired JUDGE,,,,,(coincidence?) He wasn't being a punk that night. people make mistakes and learn from them. THe punk kid nidn't learn from them. HAAAAA,, operative word KID as opposed to a MAN with a charge for resisting with violence, and two charges of domestic abuse,, who should have learned,,,,? as I was saying, the facts will come out,,,and Zimmermans story is falling apart Zimmer did learn, he wasn't the one being a punk and trying to pick a fight. |
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Bottom line, the kid acted like a punk and got his a$$ handed to him. ANY reasonabe person who notices someone following them will not go and confront them unless they are trying to be a punk or a tough guy. They will either get their phone out and dial 9-11 or go to the first house or business and get help. This kid was nothing more then a punk who had a history of delenquency, tough guy acting and drugs. I wouldnt continue to promote the idea that 'punks' deserve death,,,,different people may define 'punk' differently,,, we will let the facts speak for themself when it goes to court, but Zimmermans story seems to be falling apart and being edited daily,,,, I didn't say they deserve death, it is a possible consequence of their actions. There are only two places for a punk tough guy jail or the morgue. so why is Zimmerman in neither, after all, he has assaulted an officer and had domestic abuse charges and been fired for being an overly aggressive security guard,,,,, but then, his dad is a retired JUDGE,,,,,(coincidence?) He wasn't being a punk that night. people make mistakes and learn from them. THe punk kid nidn't learn from them. HAAAAA,, operative word KID as opposed to a MAN with a charge for resisting with violence, and two charges of domestic abuse,, who should have learned,,,,? as I was saying, the facts will come out,,,and Zimmermans story is falling apart Zimmer did learn, he wasn't the one being a punk and trying to pick a fight. well, thats for the facts of the case to determine,,, |
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Zimmeralso said no when the punk approached him and Zimmer tried to walk away. Zimmer did learn from past mistakes me may or may not have made.
This kind is a punk and a wannabe tough guy. I have no sympathy for him. |
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Zimmeralso said no when the punk approached him and Zimmer tried to walk away. Zimmer did learn from past mistakes me may or may not have made. This kind is a punk and a wannabe tough guy. I have no sympathy for him. he did? were you a witness to what was said? is it logical that a situation that began with person A following person B in a car person B changing directions to lose person A person A then getting out of his car to continue following person B then person B running to put distance between he and person B ,,SUDDENLY just changed to a situation where person B, who twice had retreated already,,, became the PREDATOR of person A who then CLAIMS he decided to finally retreat? ,,not logical to me,,,but I will wait for the facts to show Zimmerman to be a liar and an overzealous bully,,,, |
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Zimmeralso said no when the punk approached him and Zimmer tried to walk away. Zimmer did learn from past mistakes me may or may not have made. This kind is a punk and a wannabe tough guy. I have no sympathy for him. he did? were you a witness to what was said? is it logical that a situation that began with person A following person B in a car person B changing directions to lose person A person A then getting out of his car to continue following person B then person B running to put distance between he and person B ,,SUDDENLY just changed to a situation where person B, who twice had retreated already,,, became the PREDATOR of person A who then CLAIMS he decided to finally retreat? ,,not logical to me,,,but I will wait for the facts to show Zimmerman to be a liar and an overzealous bully,,,, Once again, he had a cell phone, if he really felt threatened he would have dialed 9-1-1 or ran to the nearest house or business and got help. No, he wanted to be a tough guy punk and try to be a bad a$$ with his hoodie pulled up (which isn't needed in that area at this time of year when they are having record hot spells. He dressed like a punk, acted like a punk, did drugs like a punk, got kicked out of school like a punk. He was a punk. |
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Zimmeralso said no when the punk approached him and Zimmer tried to walk away. Zimmer did learn from past mistakes me may or may not have made. This kind is a punk and a wannabe tough guy. I have no sympathy for him. he did? were you a witness to what was said? is it logical that a situation that began with person A following person B in a car person B changing directions to lose person A person A then getting out of his car to continue following person B then person B running to put distance between he and person B ,,SUDDENLY just changed to a situation where person B, who twice had retreated already,,, became the PREDATOR of person A who then CLAIMS he decided to finally retreat? ,,not logical to me,,,but I will wait for the facts to show Zimmerman to be a liar and an overzealous bully,,,, Once again, he had a cell phone, if he really felt threatened he would have dialed 9-1-1 or ran to the nearest house or business and got help. No, he wanted to be a tough guy punk and try to be a bad a$$ with his hoodie pulled up (which isn't needed in that area at this time of year when they are having record hot spells. He dressed like a punk, acted like a punk, did drugs like a punk, got kicked out of school like a punk. He was a punk. record hot spells? so why was zimmerman in a grey sweater AND a red fleece? interesting,,, lets check what Zimmerman said to the dispatcher http://videos.mediaite.com/embed/player/container/420/421/?layout=&content_type=content_item&playlist_cid=&media_type=audio&content=5Q4HDQ2SSYWMHW3F&read_more=1&widget_type_cid=svp&referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mediaite.com%2Fonline%2Fdid-george-zimmerman-complain-about-fcking-cns-in-911-call-before-killing-trayvon-martin%2F# RAINING, yeah, a great reason to wear something with a hood,,, a hoody isnt punk wear, smoking weed and painting graffiti is no less punkish than pushing around your wife or a cop,,,,, so the 'punk deserved it' defense isnt holding water well either |
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