Topic: The Stand Your Ground Case
Lpdon's photo
Sun 04/08/12 12:51 AM

Let's review, it's Florida it wasn't cold and that is why senior citizens go there during the winter. It didn't warrant wearing a hooded sweatshirt with the hood up to conceal your identity in a store(which is never warranted btw).




NICE TRY,, why is he heard saying its cold on the tape then? Florida does get cold at night,,,,it doesnt stay hot 24/7 365,,,,,travel a bit,,,,


No, it is pretty warm there around the clock, much like Vegas. But you will whatever you can to defend the PUNK.

msharmony's photo
Sun 04/08/12 12:53 AM


Let's review, it's Florida it wasn't cold and that is why senior citizens go there during the winter. It didn't warrant wearing a hooded sweatshirt with the hood up to conceal your identity in a store(which is never warranted btw).




NICE TRY,, why is he heard saying its cold on the tape then? Florida does get cold at night,,,,it doesnt stay hot 24/7 365,,,,,travel a bit,,,,


No, it is pretty warm there around the clock, much like Vegas. But you will whatever you can to defend the PUNK.



you obviously dont travel much

are you sure you live in las vegas or know what a hoody is?

las vegas gets cold enough for hoodies as well, Zimmerman was even wearing a HEAVY JACKET on the tape going into the police station,,,

Lpdon's photo
Sun 04/08/12 12:55 AM

Once again, if this PUNK was afraid for his safety he had a cell phone and could have called 9-1-1 or gone back into the store, screamed for help or gone to the closest house and asked for help not turn around go after Zimmerman ask if he has a problem and then states, "You do now!".




or if the ADULT thought the kid was up to no good he could have called 911 and STAYED in his car instead of continuing to follow him against the advice of the dispatcher

I was attacked and I never screamed for help because I had a FIGHT response instead

who confronted whom is the whole crux of the case, if there was a witness to this there would be little reason for speculation

but there were only witnesses to the FIGHT,,,not the initial confrontation,, which leaves room for assumption based upon likeliness

that either BOTH parties changed frame of mind midway,, the adult deciding to no longer pursue and the boy deciding to no longer get away

or both parties CONTINUED With their frame of mind, the adult deciding not to let the boy 'get away' and the boy trying to lose the adult,,,,

the facts need to come out and a jury left to decide,,,


Your exact words Zimmerman was following him and the kid ran. Good, he was in fear (according to your ASSumption) long before there was or wasn't a confrontation. He could have called 9-1-1 right then and there or screamed for help or gone to a neighbor. If he was really in fear like you claim he would have done just that. He wanted to be a tough guy PUNK.

msharmony's photo
Sun 04/08/12 12:58 AM


Once again, if this PUNK was afraid for his safety he had a cell phone and could have called 9-1-1 or gone back into the store, screamed for help or gone to the closest house and asked for help not turn around go after Zimmerman ask if he has a problem and then states, "You do now!".




or if the ADULT thought the kid was up to no good he could have called 911 and STAYED in his car instead of continuing to follow him against the advice of the dispatcher

I was attacked and I never screamed for help because I had a FIGHT response instead

who confronted whom is the whole crux of the case, if there was a witness to this there would be little reason for speculation

but there were only witnesses to the FIGHT,,,not the initial confrontation,, which leaves room for assumption based upon likeliness

that either BOTH parties changed frame of mind midway,, the adult deciding to no longer pursue and the boy deciding to no longer get away

or both parties CONTINUED With their frame of mind, the adult deciding not to let the boy 'get away' and the boy trying to lose the adult,,,,

the facts need to come out and a jury left to decide,,,


Your exact words Zimmerman was following him and the kid ran. Good, he was in fear (according to your ASSumption) long before there was or wasn't a confrontation. He could have called 9-1-1 right then and there or screamed for help or gone to a neighbor. If he was really in fear like you claim he would have done just that. He wanted to be a tough guy PUNK.



yep, when I was stalked in my car and then followed into the park, I walked FASTER to get away and did not think to call for help or scream either,,,nothing to do with being a 'punk'

it was flight until in immediate danger and then FIGHT,,,,

Lpdon's photo
Sun 04/08/12 01:09 AM



Once again, if this PUNK was afraid for his safety he had a cell phone and could have called 9-1-1 or gone back into the store, screamed for help or gone to the closest house and asked for help not turn around go after Zimmerman ask if he has a problem and then states, "You do now!".




or if the ADULT thought the kid was up to no good he could have called 911 and STAYED in his car instead of continuing to follow him against the advice of the dispatcher

I was attacked and I never screamed for help because I had a FIGHT response instead

who confronted whom is the whole crux of the case, if there was a witness to this there would be little reason for speculation

but there were only witnesses to the FIGHT,,,not the initial confrontation,, which leaves room for assumption based upon likeliness

that either BOTH parties changed frame of mind midway,, the adult deciding to no longer pursue and the boy deciding to no longer get away

or both parties CONTINUED With their frame of mind, the adult deciding not to let the boy 'get away' and the boy trying to lose the adult,,,,

the facts need to come out and a jury left to decide,,,


Your exact words Zimmerman was following him and the kid ran. Good, he was in fear (according to your ASSumption) long before there was or wasn't a confrontation. He could have called 9-1-1 right then and there or screamed for help or gone to a neighbor. If he was really in fear like you claim he would have done just that. He wanted to be a tough guy PUNK.



yep, when I was stalked in my car and then followed into the park, I walked FASTER to get away and did not think to call for help or scream either,,,nothing to do with being a 'punk'

it was flight until in immediate danger and then FIGHT,,,,


You didn't turn around and try and be a "Tough Guy" and go after the guy who was following you. You can't defend what this PUNK did. No one can, he was trying to be a "Tough Guy" and he got his a$$ handed to him.

He got what he deserved.

msharmony's photo
Sun 04/08/12 01:11 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 04/08/12 01:13 AM




Once again, if this PUNK was afraid for his safety he had a cell phone and could have called 9-1-1 or gone back into the store, screamed for help or gone to the closest house and asked for help not turn around go after Zimmerman ask if he has a problem and then states, "You do now!".




or if the ADULT thought the kid was up to no good he could have called 911 and STAYED in his car instead of continuing to follow him against the advice of the dispatcher

I was attacked and I never screamed for help because I had a FIGHT response instead

who confronted whom is the whole crux of the case, if there was a witness to this there would be little reason for speculation

but there were only witnesses to the FIGHT,,,not the initial confrontation,, which leaves room for assumption based upon likeliness

that either BOTH parties changed frame of mind midway,, the adult deciding to no longer pursue and the boy deciding to no longer get away

or both parties CONTINUED With their frame of mind, the adult deciding not to let the boy 'get away' and the boy trying to lose the adult,,,,

the facts need to come out and a jury left to decide,,,


Your exact words Zimmerman was following him and the kid ran. Good, he was in fear (according to your ASSumption) long before there was or wasn't a confrontation. He could have called 9-1-1 right then and there or screamed for help or gone to a neighbor. If he was really in fear like you claim he would have done just that. He wanted to be a tough guy PUNK.



yep, when I was stalked in my car and then followed into the park, I walked FASTER to get away and did not think to call for help or scream either,,,nothing to do with being a 'punk'

it was flight until in immediate danger and then FIGHT,,,,


You didn't turn around and try and be a "Tough Guy" and go after the guy who was following you. You can't defend what this PUNK did. No one can, he was trying to be a "Tough Guy" and he got his a$$ handed to him.

He got what he deserved.



no evidence that this kid did that either, thats what facts and trials are for,,,

I can defend him if he was the one trying to AVOID confrontation and the adult insisted on confronting him ANYWAY,,,,


tough guys are protected as long as they dont put their hands on anyone and they can talk all the game they want and they can ask someone who is FOLLOWING them,, why they are following them

PUNKS cant harass people and push them around though,,,,

especially not just because they didnt feel the person should speak to them,,,,,,after being followed and harassed by them


no photo
Sun 04/08/12 07:31 AM
no evidence that this kid did that either, thats what facts and trials are for,,,

Ms, I think that you and the media have already tried and convicted this man. No way that he could ever get a fair trial now. Let's publicly convict him just because of his race. Is that what you want?

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 04/08/12 08:52 AM


Let's review, it's Florida it wasn't cold and that is why senior citizens go there during the winter. It didn't warrant wearing a hooded sweatshirt with the hood up to conceal your identity in a store(which is never warranted btw).




NICE TRY,, why is he heard saying its cold on the tape then? Florida does get cold at night,,,,it doesnt stay hot 24/7 365,,,,,travel a bit,,,,


No, it is pretty warm there around the clock, much like Vegas. But you will whatever you can to defend the PUNK.

Pah. Wishful thinking on your part.

As per the 911 tape...

Zimmerman stated it was raining... ergo Hoody UP.

I would like to see this tried in a court of law. I will not convict either man...

Nor will I stand by and say nothing when twisted facts are relayed.

msharmony's photo
Sun 04/08/12 09:29 AM

no evidence that this kid did that either, thats what facts and trials are for,,,

Ms, I think that you and the media have already tried and convicted this man. No way that he could ever get a fair trial now. Let's publicly convict him just because of his race. Is that what you want?



no, as a parent, I Want closure for that boys parents,,,I want a disclosure of FACTS and EVIDENCE And some decision about their childs death,,,,


not such a hard concept to grasp, I didnt think,,,,

no photo
Sun 04/08/12 09:35 AM
Edited by alleoops on Sun 04/08/12 09:39 AM


no evidence that this kid did that either, thats what facts and trials are for,,,

Ms, I think that you and the media have already tried and convicted this man. No way that he could ever get a fair trial now. Let's publicly convict him just because of his race. Is that what you want?



no, as a parent, I Want closure for that boys parents,,,I want a disclosure of FACTS and EVIDENCE And some decision about their childs death,,,,


not such a hard concept to grasp, I didnt think,,,,


But let's be realistic. If Zimmerman was black and Trevon white. There would be no media coverage and you would not even be commenting here.Kind of follows a pattern, doesn't it? Right? or am I right? or am I right? or am I right?

:smile:

msharmony's photo
Sun 04/08/12 09:38 AM



no evidence that this kid did that either, thats what facts and trials are for,,,

Ms, I think that you and the media have already tried and convicted this man. No way that he could ever get a fair trial now. Let's publicly convict him just because of his race. Is that what you want?



no, as a parent, I Want closure for that boys parents,,,I want a disclosure of FACTS and EVIDENCE And some decision about their childs death,,,,


not such a hard concept to grasp, I didnt think,,,,


But let's be realistic. If Zimmerman was black and Trevon white. There would be no coverage and you would not even be commenting here. Right? or am I right? Right? or am I right? Right? or am I right?

:smile:



as a PARENT, I would comment anytime I heard an ADULT shot an unarmed minor on the street, and was still walking the streets

I doubt if the tables were turned, that this would be an issue because I believe a black male would have been ARRESTED,,,,,,

unless, he too, was the son of a retired judge,,,,in which case it would also be making the news,,,

no photo
Sun 04/08/12 09:42 AM




no evidence that this kid did that either, thats what facts and trials are for,,,

Ms, I think that you and the media have already tried and convicted this man. No way that he could ever get a fair trial now. Let's publicly convict him just because of his race. Is that what you want?



no, as a parent, I Want closure for that boys parents,,,I want a disclosure of FACTS and EVIDENCE And some decision about their childs death,,,,


not such a hard concept to grasp, I didnt think,,,,


But let's be realistic. If Zimmerman was black and Trevon white. There would be no coverage and you would not even be commenting here. Right? or am I right? Right? or am I right? Right? or am I right?

:smile:



as a PARENT, I would comment anytime I heard an ADULT shot an unarmed minor on the street, and was still walking the streets

I doubt if the tables were turned, that this would be an issue because I believe a black male would have been ARRESTED,,,,,,

unless, he too, was the son of a retired judge,,,,in which case it would also be making the news,,,


shocked Really?, I don't think so. smile2

Lpdon's photo
Sun 04/08/12 03:06 PM



no evidence that this kid did that either, thats what facts and trials are for,,,

Ms, I think that you and the media have already tried and convicted this man. No way that he could ever get a fair trial now. Let's publicly convict him just because of his race. Is that what you want?



no, as a parent, I Want closure for that boys parents,,,I want a disclosure of FACTS and EVIDENCE And some decision about their childs death,,,,


not such a hard concept to grasp, I didnt think,,,,


But let's be realistic. If Zimmerman was black and Trevon white. There would be no media coverage and you would not even be commenting here.Kind of follows a pattern, doesn't it? Right? or am I right? or am I right? or am I right?

:smile:


Your 100% right! :thumbsup:

Lpdon's photo
Sun 04/08/12 03:09 PM



Let's review, it's Florida it wasn't cold and that is why senior citizens go there during the winter. It didn't warrant wearing a hooded sweatshirt with the hood up to conceal your identity in a store(which is never warranted btw).




NICE TRY,, why is he heard saying its cold on the tape then? Florida does get cold at night,,,,it doesnt stay hot 24/7 365,,,,,travel a bit,,,,


No, it is pretty warm there around the clock, much like Vegas. But you will whatever you can to defend the PUNK.

Pah. Wishful thinking on your part.

As per the 911 tape...

Zimmerman stated it was raining... ergo Hoody UP.

I would like to see this tried in a court of law. I will not convict either man...

Nor will I stand by and say nothing when twisted facts are relayed.


Those tropical rains are just so cold...........whoa

no photo
Sun 04/08/12 03:27 PM
Where is Al Sharpton? :laughing:

A no-show...rofl

msharmony's photo
Sun 04/08/12 04:55 PM




Let's review, it's Florida it wasn't cold and that is why senior citizens go there during the winter. It didn't warrant wearing a hooded sweatshirt with the hood up to conceal your identity in a store(which is never warranted btw).




NICE TRY,, why is he heard saying its cold on the tape then? Florida does get cold at night,,,,it doesnt stay hot 24/7 365,,,,,travel a bit,,,,


No, it is pretty warm there around the clock, much like Vegas. But you will whatever you can to defend the PUNK.

Pah. Wishful thinking on your part.

As per the 911 tape...

Zimmerman stated it was raining... ergo Hoody UP.

I would like to see this tried in a court of law. I will not convict either man...

Nor will I stand by and say nothing when twisted facts are relayed.


Those tropical rains are just so cold...........whoa


still no answer on why Zimmerman was wearing a HEAVY JACKET,,,much heavier than what a hoody is,,,,,????

no photo
Sun 04/08/12 07:14 PM





Let's review, it's Florida it wasn't cold and that is why senior citizens go there during the winter. It didn't warrant wearing a hooded sweatshirt with the hood up to conceal your identity in a store(which is never warranted btw).




NICE TRY,, why is he heard saying its cold on the tape then? Florida does get cold at night,,,,it doesnt stay hot 24/7 365,,,,,travel a bit,,,,


No, it is pretty warm there around the clock, much like Vegas. But you will whatever you can to defend the PUNK.

Pah. Wishful thinking on your part.

As per the 911 tape...

Zimmerman stated it was raining... ergo Hoody UP.

I would like to see this tried in a court of law. I will not convict either man...

Nor will I stand by and say nothing when twisted facts are relayed.


Those tropical rains are just so cold...........whoa


still no answer on why Zimmerman was wearing a HEAVY JACKET,,,much heavier than what a hoody is,,,,,????

Yes, we will probably never know everything. yawn

msharmony's photo
Mon 04/09/12 12:20 AM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 04/09/12 12:20 AM






Let's review, it's Florida it wasn't cold and that is why senior citizens go there during the winter. It didn't warrant wearing a hooded sweatshirt with the hood up to conceal your identity in a store(which is never warranted btw).




NICE TRY,, why is he heard saying its cold on the tape then? Florida does get cold at night,,,,it doesnt stay hot 24/7 365,,,,,travel a bit,,,,


No, it is pretty warm there around the clock, much like Vegas. But you will whatever you can to defend the PUNK.

Pah. Wishful thinking on your part.

As per the 911 tape...

Zimmerman stated it was raining... ergo Hoody UP.

I would like to see this tried in a court of law. I will not convict either man...

Nor will I stand by and say nothing when twisted facts are relayed.


Those tropical rains are just so cold...........whoa


still no answer on why Zimmerman was wearing a HEAVY JACKET,,,much heavier than what a hoody is,,,,,????

Yes, we will probably never know everything. yawn



no, but we can make logical conclusions

if someone was wearing a heavy coat and taped saying 'its cold'

and the average nighttime low in that ragion at that time is in the mid fifties to sixties

,,,it was probably cold enough for a hoody,,,


and if that fails, there is generally a weather forecast that can be recalled and reviewed, to help with that particular knowledge

Lpdon's photo
Mon 04/09/12 10:59 AM







Let's review, it's Florida it wasn't cold and that is why senior citizens go there during the winter. It didn't warrant wearing a hooded sweatshirt with the hood up to conceal your identity in a store(which is never warranted btw).




NICE TRY,, why is he heard saying its cold on the tape then? Florida does get cold at night,,,,it doesnt stay hot 24/7 365,,,,,travel a bit,,,,


No, it is pretty warm there around the clock, much like Vegas. But you will whatever you can to defend the PUNK.

Pah. Wishful thinking on your part.

As per the 911 tape...

Zimmerman stated it was raining... ergo Hoody UP.

I would like to see this tried in a court of law. I will not convict either man...

Nor will I stand by and say nothing when twisted facts are relayed.


Those tropical rains are just so cold...........whoa


still no answer on why Zimmerman was wearing a HEAVY JACKET,,,much heavier than what a hoody is,,,,,????

Yes, we will probably never know everything. yawn



no, but we can make logical conclusions

if someone was wearing a heavy coat and taped saying 'its cold'

and the average nighttime low in that ragion at that time is in the mid fifties to sixties

,,,it was probably cold enough for a hoody,,,


and if that fails, there is generally a weather forecast that can be recalled and reviewed, to help with that particular knowledge


It get's a lot colder here then they could ever dream of and I have NEVER wore a hood up on a hoodie.........

msharmony's photo
Mon 04/09/12 11:31 AM








Let's review, it's Florida it wasn't cold and that is why senior citizens go there during the winter. It didn't warrant wearing a hooded sweatshirt with the hood up to conceal your identity in a store(which is never warranted btw).




NICE TRY,, why is he heard saying its cold on the tape then? Florida does get cold at night,,,,it doesnt stay hot 24/7 365,,,,,travel a bit,,,,


No, it is pretty warm there around the clock, much like Vegas. But you will whatever you can to defend the PUNK.

Pah. Wishful thinking on your part.

As per the 911 tape...

Zimmerman stated it was raining... ergo Hoody UP.

I would like to see this tried in a court of law. I will not convict either man...

Nor will I stand by and say nothing when twisted facts are relayed.


Those tropical rains are just so cold...........whoa


still no answer on why Zimmerman was wearing a HEAVY JACKET,,,much heavier than what a hoody is,,,,,????

Yes, we will probably never know everything. yawn



no, but we can make logical conclusions

if someone was wearing a heavy coat and taped saying 'its cold'

and the average nighttime low in that ragion at that time is in the mid fifties to sixties

,,,it was probably cold enough for a hoody,,,


and if that fails, there is generally a weather forecast that can be recalled and reviewed, to help with that particular knowledge


It get's a lot colder here then they could ever dream of and I have NEVER wore a hood up on a hoodie.........


still not sure why these posts are stated so matter of factly

simple research of the two areas and their climates is all it would take to refute the notion that its never colder in florida than in nevada, or that there is not hoody weather in either place

hoodies are not HEAVY material, they hust have hoods
and ZIMMERMAN himself is seen on tape wearing a HEAVY jacket

so the very claim that Florida is not ever cold enough for a hoodie must come from intellectual dishonesty or plain ignorance,,,,