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Sin_and_Sorrow......just have a second here.... THAT SAME DAY THAT ADAM AND EVE DISOBEYED GOD (sin of disobedience ) , they SPIRITUALLY DIED INSTANTLY... but the PHYSICAL DEATH is what just took longer..... hope this helps..... later..... 
Yeah, that's a good explanation. Because God is the one whom gives life, so being separated from God through sin would in fact be separated from life. |
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here..... different versions all tell us of the god of this world system. New International Version The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. New Living Translation (©2007) Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. English Standard Version (©2001) In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. New American Standard Bible (©1995) in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. International Standard Version (©2008) In their case, the god of this world has blinded the minds of those who do not believe to keep them from seeing the light of the glorious gospel of the Messiah, who is the image of God. GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) The god of this world has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. As a result, they don't see the light of the Good News about Christ's glory. It is Christ who is God's image. King James 2000 Bible (©2003) In whom the god of this age has blinded the minds of them who believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. American King James Version In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine to them. American Standard Version in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn upon them . None of these verses say Satan is God. Says God has blinded the minds of the unbelievers. Believing or not believing is a choice made by the person. So when one makes a choice to not believe, why should they see the glories of Heaven? Because if Satan could blind the people of this world just on a whim and not because of a choice they have made, Satan would then just blind us all. And if you claim Satan just isn't poweful enough to blind them ALL and can only blind a few, then is that not God playing favorites and allowing Satan to just blind some of them? Sure would be. Only you can blind yourself by walking in the dark with Satan. If you go to the light and or stay in the light with God you will never walk in darkness nor will you ever be blind, you will always have the light of God to guide you. |
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Cowboy wrote"
None of these verses say Satan is God.
Says God has blinded the minds of the unbelievers. Believing or not believing is a choice made by the person. So when one makes a choice to not believe, why should they see the glories of Heaven NEVER said satan was GOD!!! And these scriptures are talking about the god of this world, NOT JESUS!!!! IF you can't see that, then forget it...I am really just wasting my time on here. And am running really late, cause I wanted to help .
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Cowboy wrote" None of these verses say Satan is God.
Says God has blinded the minds of the unbelievers. Believing or not believing is a choice made by the person. So when one makes a choice to not believe, why should they see the glories of Heaven NEVER said satan was GOD!!! And these scriptures are talking about the god of this world, NOT JESUS!!!! IF you can't see that, then forget it...I am really just wasting my time on here. And am running really late, cause I wanted to help .
Jesus is God of this world... so speaking of God of this world is speaking of Jesus. Not ment to get into a political discussion, but that's like saying you're not talking about Obama, you're talking about the president of the USA. |
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Cowboy wrote" None of these verses say Satan is God.
Says God has blinded the minds of the unbelievers. Believing or not believing is a choice made by the person. So when one makes a choice to not believe, why should they see the glories of Heaven NEVER said satan was GOD!!! And these scriptures are talking about the god of this world, NOT JESUS!!!! IF you can't see that, then forget it...I am really just wasting my time on here. And am running really late, cause I wanted to help .
And you did say Satan was God of this world. Most christians are aware that satan is the god of this world system. There isn't a god for this world, then a god for Heaven, then a god for this or that. God is God, period. There is only one God. Jesus is our God. |
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this is but another way of looking at it.
'the god of this world' in the context of the quoted statements above is none of the above... That 'god' is mankinds reliance upon the material things of the world (while ignoring the spritual). It is an idol raised to material things. and only exists in the minds of those that pursure only material things... while they are so pursuing they are blind to the spritual things... By their own 'god'. |
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What are you saying exactly? I don't think God would want sacrifices. So, like, before I answer this.. one thing I foresee and wish to avoid: 1. This is just my opinion so if you ask for "proof", no, I don't have any because it is just my thoughts. That said.. ..I just don't believe, or think it's just that simple, how we, as a society, believe "God" to be like. By "like" I mean all-forgiving, all-knowing, all-guy next door-ish. I just don't envision a "guy", no matter how "powerful" living/surviving for as long as, or even before the; birth of the entire galaxy... Not being just the tad-bit.. eh, what's the word that's not "cruel".... ..well, to avoid an "insult", let us just use our imaginations? -.- |
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Edited by
Sin_and_Sorrow
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Tue 03/13/12 12:24 PM
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1. It is fair because God said it would happen. Regardless of if they knew specifically what "disobedience" was. They were punished for doing exactly what God told them not to do, not specifically "disobedience". God said not to eat of the tree, the why they weren't suppose to is irrelevant or even the punishment to come really. The bottom line is God told them not to and they did. Somehow.. ..you actually consider this an answer? o.O Like I said before.. If you put a bottle of Cyanide in front of an infant (same mental capacity) and says, "Don't not touch this or you will surely die." What do you think they are going to do? An infant doesn't "recognize the phrase: "don't touch"... ..let alone the concept of "death". ..would it not also make me God if I could "predict" this outcome? Furthermore.. "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should." EDIT 2. They may not have died that exact day, but from that day they brought death into the world. In the world today, as soon as you are born, you are dying so to speak. Each breath you take when you are first born is a breath closer to death. Before they ate of the tree, they had eternal life. ..yeah, that's what they tell me.. So... ..instead of showing "mercy" for what he "knew" they would do.. ..you're telling me: A. The act of temptation caused "death" to enter the world. B. Adam and Eve, prior to the Fruit eating, were immortal. C. God banished us from the Garden so we would not eat from the Tree of LIFE and be "immortal" like "us"..? ..and you see absolutely no problem with this? Let me some up what you are ACTUALLY telling me: Adam and Eve's punishment... WAS the Death Penalty. ..and at the same time; I'm supposed to believe.. he's merciful? o.O |
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Sin_and_Sorrow......just have a second here.... THAT SAME DAY THAT ADAM AND EVE DISOBEYED GOD (sin of disobedience ) , they SPIRITUALLY DIED INSTANTLY... but the PHYSICAL DEATH is what just took longer..... hope this helps..... later.....
Yeah, that's a good explanation. Because God is the one whom gives life, so being separated from God through sin would in fact be separated from life. ..does it? Is it? "Just because you can doesn't mean you should." |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sin_and_Sorrow......just have a second here.... THAT SAME DAY THAT ADAM AND EVE DISOBEYED GOD (sin of disobedience ) , they SPIRITUALLY DIED INSTANTLY... but the PHYSICAL DEATH is what just took longer..... hope this helps..... later.....
Cowboy wrote: Yeah, that's a good explanation. Because God is the one whom gives life, so being separated from God through sin would in fact be separated from life. Sin_and_Sorrow wrote: ..does it? Is it? "Just because you can doesn't mean you should." BUT......SIN_AND_SORROW !!!!!!! LISTEN UP !!!! THERE IS GOOD NEWS !!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD DID NOT JUST LEAVE THEM...AND ABANDOM THEM..... NOR ANY OF THE REST OF US FOLLOWING AFTER ADAM AND EVE...... GOD PROMISED HE WOUD SEND A REDEEEMER. AND GOD DID !!! GOD SENT US HIS SON JESUS CHRIST TO SAVE US AND RESTORE US BACK INTO RIGHT RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD ONCE MORE !!! THRU BELIEVING ON JESUS( GOD THE SON) WHOM GOD THE FATHER SENT..... AND BY ACCEPTING JESUS AND ALSO ACCEPTING WHAT HE DID FOR US ON THAT CROSS, WE ARE FORGIVEN AND WASHED WHITER THAN SNOW !!!! AND ALSO, WE ARE BROUGHT FROM SPIRITUAL DEATH INTO SPIRITUAL LIFE ONCE MORE... AND WE ALSO NOW ARE GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE WITH GOD...... WITH NO MORE SEPARATION FROM GOD FOREVER AND EVER AND FOREVERMORE !!!! WE ARE RESTORED BACK INTO RIGHT RELATIONSHIP AND FELLOWSHIP WITH GOD ONCE MORE.....FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!! WE ARE MADE THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD THRU CHRIST JESUS. WE ARE RESTORED TO WHOLENSS AND MADE BRAND NEW. WE LOVE GOD NOW AND WE LOVE AS GOD LOVES.... WE FIND IN HIM A JOY AND PEACE THAT PASSES ALL UNDERSTANDING. WE FIND A RESTNG PLACE IN GOD. OUR LONGING HEARTS ARE FILLED UP AT LAST WITH WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR, FOR SO LONG. GOD BRINGS US BACK HOME TO BE WITH HIM ALWAYS.....WHICH IS WHAT GOD HAD IN MIND FOR US ALL ALONG. NOW..... THAT IS WHAT I CALL GOOD NEWS, MY FRIEND!!!! 
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Sin_and_Sorrow......just have a second here.... THAT SAME DAY THAT ADAM AND EVE DISOBEYED GOD (sin of disobedience ) , they SPIRITUALLY DIED INSTANTLY... but the PHYSICAL DEATH is what just took longer..... hope this helps..... later.....
Cowboy wrote: Yeah, that's a good explanation. Because God is the one whom gives life, so being separated from God through sin would in fact be separated from life. Sin_and_Sorrow wrote: ..does it? Is it? "Just because you can doesn't mean you should." BUT......SIN_AND_SORROW !!!!!!! LISTEN UP !!!! THERE IS GOOD NEWS !!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD DID NOT JUST LEAVE THEM...AND ABANDOM THEM..... NOR ANY OF THE REST OF US FOLLOWING AFTER ADAM AND EVE...... GOD PROMISED HE WOUD SEND A REDEEEMER. AND GOD DID !!! GOD SENT US HIS SON JESUS CHRIST TO SAVE US AND RESTORE US BACK INTO RIGHT RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD ONCE MORE !!! THRU BELIEVING ON JESUS( GOD THE SON) WHOM GOD THE FATHER SENT..... AND BY ACCEPTING JESUS AND ALSO ACCEPTING WHAT HE DID FOR US ON THAT CROSS, WE ARE FORGIVEN AND WASHED WHITER THAN SNOW !!!! AND ALSO, WE ARE BROUGHT FROM SPIRITUAL DEATH INTO SPIRITUAL LIFE ONCE MORE... AND WE ALSO NOW ARE GIVEN ETERNAL LIFE WITH GOD...... WITH NO MORE SEPARATION FROM GOD FOREVER AND EVER AND FOREVERMORE !!!! WE ARE RESTORED BACK INTO RIGHT RELATIONSHIP AND FELLOWSHIP WITH GOD ONCE MORE.....FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!! WE ARE MADE THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD THRU CHRIST JESUS. WE ARE RESTORED TO WHOLENSS AND MADE BRAND NEW. WE LOVE GOD NOW AND WE LOVE AS GOD LOVES.... WE FIND IN HIM A JOY AND PEACE THAT PASSES ALL UNDERSTANDING. WE FIND A RESTNG PLACE IN GOD. OUR LONGING HEARTS ARE FILLED UP AT LAST WITH WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR, FOR SO LONG. GOD BRINGS US BACK HOME TO BE WITH HIM ALWAYS.....WHICH IS WHAT GOD HAD IN MIND FOR US ALL ALONG. NOW..... THAT IS WHAT I CALL GOOD NEWS, MY FRIEND!!!!
Here's a correction for ya Sin... THRU BELIEVING ON <the name of> YESHUA(YAWEH IS SALVATION) WHOM WAS SENT BY OUR FATHER..... AND BY ACCEPTING YESHUA AND ALSO HAVING FAITH, WE ARE FORGIVEN !!!! |
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Oh but you understand the words meaning...
"THRU BELIEVING ON <the name of> YESHUA(YAWEH IS SALVATION) WHOM WAS SENT BY OUR FATHER..... AND BY ACCEPTING YESHUA AND ALSO HAVING FAITH, WE ARE FORGIVEN !!!! " ------------------------------------------------------ Yet in understanding why do you not solve the equation and write it in its lowest common denominator. By believing in the words of Yeshua... Yaweh IS salvation. and Yaweh forgave us from before the moment we were born. |
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Oh but you understand the words meaning... "THRU BELIEVING ON <the name of> YESHUA(YAWEH IS SALVATION) WHOM WAS SENT BY OUR FATHER..... AND BY ACCEPTING YESHUA AND ALSO HAVING FAITH, WE ARE FORGIVEN !!!! " ------------------------------------------------------ Yet in understanding why do you not solve the equation and write it in its lowest common denominator. By believing in the words of Yeshua... Yaweh IS salvation. and Yaweh forgave us from before the moment we were born. I know that... baby steps |
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Hey Pan...
Whose heart is measuring best here? 
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And how do you know?
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creative, you're extremely predictable. Doesn't it bother you that I know exactly how you'll answer (or won't) and I predict it pretty regularly?
Anyhow, I already answered those questions, but I wouldn't expect you to grasp such a simple answer. You like to over-complicate things which tends to confuse and bore you. The answer has always been right in front of you but you're too biased to see it. In the pursuit of the appearance of intellectual superiority, somewhere along the way, you've lost what it means to actually learn something and at some point in your life, you are going to have to realise that what others think about you doesn't matter. The appraisals won't be coming from me unless you can show you've actually accomplished something. And no, starting a new thread with whatever topic I confuse you with doesn't mean you know anything, in fact, it shows how little you know. You know I laughed so hard at your morals thread. After trying to make fun of me for saying that I've had my morals since I was 3 or 4 (my earliest memories), what did you end up saying??? What's the next topic going to be? Well, I hope this thoroughly bored you, because when you're not bored, it is pretty damn easy to expose the flaws in your critical thinking skills. have fun! 
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What are you saying exactly? I don't think God would want sacrifices. So, like, before I answer this.. one thing I foresee and wish to avoid: 1. This is just my opinion so if you ask for "proof", no, I don't have any because it is just my thoughts. That said.. ..I just don't believe, or think it's just that simple, how we, as a society, believe "God" to be like. By "like" I mean all-forgiving, all-knowing, all-guy next door-ish. I just don't envision a "guy", no matter how "powerful" living/surviving for as long as, or even before the; birth of the entire galaxy... Not being just the tad-bit.. eh, what's the word that's not "cruel".... ..well, to avoid an "insult", let us just use our imaginations? -.- Sin, I would only ask for proof if you were to make a claim about what is written in te Bible. Opinions don't require proof to anyone except the one who voices the opinion. Anyway, I still don't know what you're trying to say... |
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-- Projection at it's finest. Let it go, Pan, let it go. |
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