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Cowboy wrote: Scriptures say differently. If we confess with our mouths Jesus is lord and that God has raised him from the dead, we will be saved. Confessing Jesus as Lord is where the faith lays, then as making Jesus our lord, we will obey his commandments eg., the works. Takes both faith and works to enter into Heaven. Faith without works is dead. That is why first believing Jesus is Lord and Savior would be putting our FAITH in Jesus Christ. Then when we confess this and obey his commandments would be putting the works in. Not works done in hopes to receive anything, the works done out of love and wanting to obey our lord Jesus Christ. Romans 10:9 9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. GOD'S WORD ALSO SAYS IF YOU SHALL BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART, NOT JUST CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH....... ALSO .... GOD ALSO SEES AND KNOWS THE HEART ,AND KNOWS IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE ON HIS SON THE REAL JESUS...OR IN ANOTHER "VERSION" OF JESUS!!! ALSO ...ONLY BY GRACE THRU FAITH ONLY ARE WE SAVED, AND NOT BY WORKS !!! AS SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, COWBOY..... ALL YOU HAVE EVER PRESENTED ON HERE , IS A FALSE STRANGE GOSPEL TO THE PRECIOUS PEOPLE ON HERE !!! NOTHING MORE. Show me your faith without your works and I will show you my faith with my works. Even the demons have faith in God, why are they not saved? James 2:14 18 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? |
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Cowboy wrote: Not believing in the trinity doesn't rid Jesus of his divinity. For Jesus is the only begotten son. He is our God in the flesh. Jesus is our God, he is the one whom made us, and this world as a whole. We worship Jesus Christ, for again he is God. There is only one God, Jesus Christ. And again, Jesus NEVER refers to his father as OUR God, or YOUR God, or anything of such. Only Jesus is referred to as OUR God. And when Jesus cried out to his father, he said specifically HIS God. Cowboy,THE ONLY REASON You now even believe in the divinity of Jesus as God at all now...is because you believe Jesus is OUR God over ALL OF US WHO ARE GODS ..which means according to your belief is that Jesus has to have divinity cause he is "our" God over us... ......but it is still a strange false belief you beleive in..and it is NOT biblical.........cause you DON'T believe The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is ONE SUPREME BEING, OR ONE ENTITY, AS THE BIBLE TEACHES!! You believe JesuS is JUST OUR God, but you also believe the Father is ONLY JESUS'S God, and you believe the Father is a WHOLE SEPARATE ENTITY from Jesus. (Not as a separate PERSON as Christians beleive , but you beleive the Father is a WHOLE SEPARATE ENTITY from Jesus!!! But what you beleve is NOT biblical..it is" YOUR version" only. This is exactly how cults twist the WORD ALSO....and then think they can be saved thru their "own version" of belief NOT SO!!! BECAUSE...... UNLESS you believe in the REAL Jesus Christ of the Bible( and NOT just in YOUR OWN VERSION OF WHO YOU THINK JESSU IS....but ONLY IN the REAL Jesus Christ who is ONLY ONE ENTITY with the Father AND the Holy SpIrit ), you CANNOT be born again!!! God the Holy Spirit will NOT NOT NOT take up RESIDENCE in a person, who believes in A DIFFERENT STRANGE JESUS!!!!! Cowboy,THE ONLY REASON You now even believe in the divinity of Jesus as God at all now...is because you believe Jesus is OUR God over ALL OF US WHO ARE GODS His divinity comes from his eternal self. He is the Word in flesh, he was with God in the beginning, he is the only begotten child of God. |
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Cowboy wrote: Scriptures say differently. If we confess with our mouths Jesus is lord and that God has raised him from the dead, we will be saved. Confessing Jesus as Lord is where the faith lays, then as making Jesus our lord, we will obey his commandments eg., the works. Takes both faith and works to enter into Heaven. Faith without works is dead. That is why first believing Jesus is Lord and Savior would be putting our FAITH in Jesus Christ. Then when we confess this and obey his commandments would be putting the works in. Not works done in hopes to receive anything, the works done out of love and wanting to obey our lord Jesus Christ. Romans 10:9 9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. GOD'S WORD ALSO SAYS IF YOU SHALL BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART, NOT JUST CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH....... ALSO .... GOD ALSO SEES AND KNOWS THE HEART ,AND KNOWS IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE ON HIS SON THE REAL JESUS...OR IN ANOTHER "VERSION" OF JESUS!!! ALSO ...ONLY BY GRACE THRU FAITH ONLY ARE WE SAVED, AND NOT BY WORKS !!! AS SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, COWBOY..... ALL YOU HAVE EVER PRESENTED ON HERE , IS A FALSE STRANGE GOSPEL TO THE PRECIOUS PEOPLE ON HERE !!! NOTHING MORE. Show me your faith without your works and I will show you my faith with my works. Even the demons have faith in God, why are they not saved? James 2:14 18 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your[a] works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Wed 01/25/12 11:34 AM
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But where the scripture says he was WITH God ,
YOU take it to mean as a SEPARATE ENTITY from God Almighty. Also.... Works always FOLLOW Faith ,as EVIDENCE that TRUE SALVATION took place...this has ALSO been explained to you over and over.... Cowboy,Because your eyes are NOT opened yet to Truth..and you are NOT yet Born again, I can understand that you are NOT able to Understand the Word. And to go on trying to explain the TRUTH of God's Word to you on here , is obviously not gonna accomplish anything, UNTIL you are born again. |
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But where the scripture says he was WITH God , YOU take it to mean as a SEPARATE ENTITY from God Almighty. Also.... Works always FOLLOW Faith ,as EVIDENCE that TRUE SALVATION took place...this has ALSO been explained to you over and over.... Cowboy,Because your eyes are NOT opened yet to Truth..and you are NOT yet Born again, I can understand that you are NOT able to Understand the Word. And to go on trying to explain the TRUTH of God's Word to you on here , is obviously not gonna accomplish anything, UNTIL you are born again. But where the scripture says he was WITH God , YOU take it to mean as a SEPARATE ENTITY from God Almighty. How else could "WITH" mean? Also.... Works always FOLLOW Faith ,as EVIDENCE that TRUE SALVATION took place...this has ALSO been explained to you over and over.... Please give the verses that show this, enlighten us all my darling MorningSong. yet to Truth..and you are NOT yet Born again, I can understand that you are NOT able to You say works will follow after one is saved, yet you continuously sin on just this forum everyday judging another person. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Wed 01/25/12 12:00 PM
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Cowboy wrote:
And again, Jesus NEVER refers to his father as OUR God, or YOUR God, or anything of such. Only Jesus is referred to as OUR God. And when Jesus cried out to his father, he said specifically HIS God. Another little thing that popped in my head about the trinity. The trinity believes The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all three one. This can NOT be true, for Jesus time after time says his father is greater then he is. If they were one, one could not be greater then another. John 14:28 28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. This verse and many others show the definite distinction between the two. If they were ONE GOD, how could his father be greater then he? How could any of them be greater then another? Cowboy........after reading what you just wrote above ,along with the other stuff you wrote on this thread today...... it is so crystal clear to ALL believers, that you are NOT yet born again. And again...this is NOT a put down..but only concern. I am not angry with you ( cause I know it is the enemy who decieves and blinds ones eyes to Truth). But I am deeply concerned when I read your " version" of the Gospel on here, cause it tells me and other believers, that you are not yet born again...yet you continue to share your own false version of the Gospel on here, Cowboy...and it leads others astray......but I do understand that until your eyes are opened , you cannot know and undertand Truth. You must be born again, Cowboy. I am speaking as honestly as I can......NOT ONE SINGLE born again christian agrees with what you write on here ....doesn't that TELL you something????? God makes His Word CLEAR TO ALL BELIEVERS .....but that can only happen when one is Born again. You MUST be Born again ,in order to be able to SEE and Understand the TRUTH of God's Word. |
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Cowboy wrote: And again, Jesus NEVER refers to his father as OUR God, or YOUR God, or anything of such. Only Jesus is referred to as OUR God. And when Jesus cried out to his father, he said specifically HIS God. Another little thing that popped in my head about the trinity. The trinity believes The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all three one. This can NOT be true, for Jesus time after time says his father is greater then he is. If they were one, one could not be greater then another. John 14:28 28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. This verse and many others show the definite distinction between the two. If they were ONE GOD, how could his father be greater then he? How could any of them be greater then another? Cowboy........after reading what you just wrote above....it is so crystal clear to ALL believers, that you are NOT yet born again. And again...this is not a put down..but only concern. I am not angry with you, I am deeply concerned when I read you version on here.....but I do understand that until your eyes are opened , you cannot undertand Truth. You must be born again, Cowboy. I am speaking as honestly as I can......NOT ONE SINGLE christian agrees with what you write on here ....doesn't that TELL you something????? God make His Word CLEAR TO ALL BELIEVERS .....but that can only happen when one is Born again. You MUST be Born again ,in order to be able to SEE and Understand the TRUTH of God's Word. Cowboy........after reading what you just wrote above....it is so crystal clear to ALL believers, that you are NOT yet born again I beg you to be careful with what you say MorningSong. Cause it's clear you have made the judgement of me not being saved. Matthew 7 1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. |
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Cowboy wrote: And again, Jesus NEVER refers to his father as OUR God, or YOUR God, or anything of such. Only Jesus is referred to as OUR God. And when Jesus cried out to his father, he said specifically HIS God. Another little thing that popped in my head about the trinity. The trinity believes The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all three one. This can NOT be true, for Jesus time after time says his father is greater then he is. If they were one, one could not be greater then another. John 14:28 28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. This verse and many others show the definite distinction between the two. If they were ONE GOD, how could his father be greater then he? How could any of them be greater then another? Cowboy........after reading what you just wrote above ,it is so crystal clear to ALL believers, that you are NOT yet born again. And again...this is NOT a put down..but only concern. I am not angry with you ( cause I know it is the enemy who decieves and blinds ones eyes to Truth). But I am deeply concerned when I read your " version" of the Gospel on here, cause it tells me and other believers, that you are not yet born again...yet you continue to share a false version o the gospel on here, Cowboy...and it leads others astray......but I do understand that until your eyes are opened , you cannot know and undertand Truth. You must be born again, Cowboy. I am speaking as honestly as I can......NOT ONE SINGLE christian agrees with what you write on here ....doesn't that TELL you something????? God makes His Word CLEAR TO ALL BELIEVERS .....but that can only happen when one is Born again. You MUST be Born again ,in order to be able to SEE and Understand the TRUTH of God's Word. I am speaking as honestly as I can......NOT ONE SINGLE christian agrees with what you write on here ....doesn't that TELL you something????? Only you do most of the disagreeing. In some cases, yes I wrong. But you refuse to admit when you are shown your error. And the other's only do it periodically, not saying I know it all 100% completely without a doubt. Not one of us do, and is why we're told to congregate and come together in the Lord's name. The church is not specifically for worshiping, as we have been told to go to God in a secret place where it is just you and God eg., go to your closet to pray. The church is for learning, learning knowledge about God and congregating so we get a better understanding. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Wed 01/25/12 12:17 PM
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Cowboy, You are NOT yet born again.
I have been very honest with you. Again...this is NOT a put down. And I am not gonna sit by, and let the enemy deceive you into thinking you are born again, when you are NOT. But I am trusting God to help you see.......so you WILL become born again, so you WILL be able to finally SEE and KNOW the TRUTH. |
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Cowboy, You are NOT yet born again. I have been very honest with you. Again...this is NOT a put down. And I am not gonna sit by, and let the enemy decieve you into thinking you are born again, when you are NOT. But I am trusting God to help you see.......so you WILL become born again, so you WILL be able to finally SEE and KNOW the TRUTH. I appreciate your gesture. But how can you say that? How can you make such a judgement? With what judgement you give, is judged back on you. So what does that say about your salvation? By no means am I saying you aren't saved, just making a statement, food for thought. Matthew 7 1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. |
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Cowboy, You are NOT yet born again. I have been very honest with you. Again...this is NOT a put down. And I am not gonna sit by, and let the enemy decieve you into thinking you are born again, when you are NOT. But I am trusting God to help you see.......so you WILL become born again, so you WILL be able to finally SEE and KNOW the TRUTH. I appreciate your gesture. But how can you say that? How can you make such a judgement? With what judgement you give, is judged back on you. So what does that say about your salvation? By no means am I saying you aren't saved, just making a statement, food for thought. Matthew 7 1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Thats a good point Cowboy. remember Yahweh says he will have mercy on whoever he decides to have mercy. Not from a relic catch phrase if no Trinity then no salvation for u.. How is that mercy? King David sure needed it |
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Have a few questions for the 3 of you, Miles, Cowboy and Morning Song.
What do you believe about Hell... concept and phrases, lake of fire, hades, grave, sheol. Did the meaning change as bibles were written? Speaking in Tongues - Yes or No and interpretation of it. Being Elect or not... Predestination. Did God Choose Us... or Do we need to choose God? |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Have a few questions for the 3 of you, Miles, Cowboy and Morning Song. What do you believe about Hell... concept and phrases, lake of fire, hades, grave, sheol. Did the meaning change as bibles were written? Speaking in Tongues - Yes or No and interpretation of it. Being Elect or not... Predestination. Did God Choose Us... or Do we need to choose God? What do you believe about Hell... concept and phrases, lake of fire, hades, grave, sheol. Hades and sheol do mean grave. Hell is a temporary holding place for Satan. Lake of fire is an everlasting burning lake of fire, is the place where Hell, Satan, and his followers will be sent. And no there is no Predestination. What would be the point in that? We have to choose God. God created us and chose us and we chose not to listen and disobey God. God has given mankind a chance to redeem themselves by choosing him and choosing to obey his commandments. |
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Have a few questions for the 3 of you, Miles, Cowboy and Morning Song. What do you believe about Hell... concept and phrases, lake of fire, hades, grave, sheol. Did the meaning change as bibles were written? Speaking in Tongues - Yes or No and interpretation of it. Being Elect or not... Predestination. Did God Choose Us... or Do we need to choose God? What do you believe about Hell... concept and phrases, lake of fire, hades, grave, sheol. Hades and sheol do mean grave. Hell is a temporary holding place for Satan. Lake of fire is an everlasting burning lake of fire, is the place where Hell, Satan, and his followers will be sent. And no there is no Predestination. What would be the point in that? We have to choose God. God created us and choose us and we choose not to listen and disobey God. God has given mankind a chance to redeem themselves by choosing him and choosing to obey his commandments. Speaking in Tongues - Yes or No and interpretation of it Mark 16:17 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; Acts 19:6 6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. 1 Corinthians 14 2For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. |
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So Cowboy your belief is from the charismatic side of christianity? Do you speak in tongues?
Where do sinners go when they do not believe and die after second death? |
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So Cowboy your belief is from the charismatic side of christianity? Do you speak in tongues? Where do sinners go when they do not believe and die after second death? No, I do not speak in tongue, only few do. And haven't really studied in the "tongues" area to much in the bible, but what I have "heard" from people in the 7th day Adventist area is that one will only speak in tongue if someone is there that can translate it and or understand what they are saying. Further investigation needs to be done to make any for sure statement on it. |
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So Cowboy your belief is from the charismatic side of christianity? Do you speak in tongues? Where do sinners go when they do not believe and die after second death? No, I do not speak in tongue, only few do. And haven't really studied in the "tongues" area to much in the bible, but what I have "heard" from people in the 7th day Adventist area is that one will only speak in tongue if someone is there that can translate it and or understand what they are saying. Further investigation needs to be done to make any for sure statement on it. Where do sinners go when they do not believe and die after second death? Well since "sinners" is quite a vague word and Jesus offers forgiveness of sins. Let's get a little more precise. Please be a little more specific to get an accurate answer to the question you seek. |
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Have a few questions for the 3 of you, Miles, Cowboy and Morning Song. What do you believe about Hell... concept and phrases, lake of fire, hades, grave, sheol. Did the meaning change as bibles were written? Speaking in Tongues - Yes or No and interpretation of it. Being Elect or not... Predestination. Did God Choose Us... or Do we need to choose God? Shalom What do you believe about Hell... concept and phrases, lake of fire, hades, grave, sheol. Did the meaning change as bibles were written Life eternal after death is a gift. Satan will not or does not have now or ever a Kingdom in the underworld. The fiery brimstone we see in artists was taken to a whole new level when Dante's play came out around 1400. Ministers latched on to this concept to scare converts to do as they say.. Death is like sleep.. we know nothing while in the grave and at the 2nd resserection you will either inherit life or total destruction mind and body in fire. Speaking in Tongues - Yes or No and interpretation of it All I have ever seen is a bunch of babble to get too emotions. The Biblical speaking in tongues was seen at Pentecost when everyone heard unlearned men speaking in thier own language. It was not the speaking that was the miracle it was the hearing someone speak your language who does not know it. but this happened to many languages at the same time. Yes its happened but I have not seen this. Interpretations is for prophecy. or possibly a word to the people. not like we see.. words of Yahweh being spoken and someone knows what those sayings mean to you ,others or a group of people.an unknown tongue i am not sure of.. Paul said he would take ten thousands words in a known tongue to 5 in a unknown tongue.. I wonder why he said this. Being Elect or not... Predestination. Many people were predestined. John, Jeremiah, Yahshua. Yahweh knows the end from the beginning. Some people are apperently predestined.. The 2 wirnesses in Rev. 11 seem to be predestined as they are seen in Zech. 4 and 5 as olive branches before the throne. Did God Choose Us... or Do we need to choose God? we choose Elohim even if predestined.. everyone can choose him. some have way more Zeal towards him than others.. Blessings..Miles |
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Have a few questions for the 3 of you, Miles, Cowboy and Morning Song. What do you believe about Hell... concept and phrases, lake of fire, hades, grave, sheol. Did the meaning change as bibles were written? Speaking in Tongues - Yes or No and interpretation of it. Being Elect or not... Predestination. Did God Choose Us... or Do we need to choose God? Shalom What do you believe about Hell... concept and phrases, lake of fire, hades, grave, sheol. Did the meaning change as bibles were written Life eternal after death is a gift. Satan will not or does not have now or ever a Kingdom in the underworld. The fiery brimstone we see in artists was taken to a whole new level when Dante's play came out around 1400. Ministers latched on to this concept to scare converts to do as they say.. Death is like sleep.. we know nothing while in the grave and at the 2nd resserection you will either inherit life or total destruction mind and body in fire. Speaking in Tongues - Yes or No and interpretation of it All I have ever seen is a bunch of babble to get too emotions. The Biblical speaking in tongues was seen at Pentecost when everyone heard unlearned men speaking in thier own language. It was not the speaking that was the miracle it was the hearing someone speak your language who does not know it. but this happened to many languages at the same time. Yes its happened but I have not seen this. Interpretations is for prophecy. or possibly a word to the people. not like we see.. words of Yahweh being spoken and someone knows what those sayings mean to you ,others or a group of people.an unknown tongue i am not sure of.. Paul said he would take ten thousands words in a known tongue to 5 in a unknown tongue.. I wonder why he said this. Being Elect or not... Predestination. Many people were predestined. John, Jeremiah, Yahshua. Yahweh knows the end from the beginning. Some people are apperently predestined.. The 2 wirnesses in Rev. 11 seem to be predestined as they are seen in Zech. 4 and 5 as olive branches before the throne. Did God Choose Us... or Do we need to choose God? we choose Elohim even if predestined.. everyone can choose him. some have way more Zeal towards him than others.. Blessings..Miles The Doctrine of the Trinity one of the main, fundamental, key doctrines of the Christian faith is the belief in the Trinity. Simply put, the doctrine of the Trinity states that there is: One God in three Persons GOD IS NOT 3 PERSONS, THIS IS TOTALLY FABRICATED BY DONOMINATIONAL SYSTEM OF CHURCH, READ BIBLE YOU WILL NEVER SEE ANYTHING CALLED TRINITY, IT IS HERESY, 1 POINT GOD IS A SPIRIT NOT A PERSON. Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: SO WHERE DID YOU SEE 3 PRSONS IN ONE GOD???? |
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calling God a person(s)is reducing God to a creation
The Trinity is a way to replace God with a Man The Trnity is used for those that wish to worship more than one God it's impossible to explain The Trinity without taking away God's omnipotence and without humiliating God EXAMPLES God being killed by his own creations God being stuck in Hell for three days God pooping in his diapers in the manger God praying to himself |
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