Topic: WHAT IS THE TRINITY ?
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Tue 01/24/12 09:45 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Tue 01/24/12 10:09 AM
Cowboy, denying is foolish...all we have to do is

click on all your old posts.

And clearly show you beleive in a different Jesus.

But my whole point is this:

You CANNOT come to Jesus on your OWN terms...believing him to just

be "our God". but an entirely different entity separate from

the Father....and then still expect to be saved !!!

NO WAY.

That is the reason why , when real Salvation takes place, it

will be of GOD"S DOING....NOT YOURS.






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Tue 01/24/12 09:50 AM

Cowboy, denying is foolish...all we have to do is

click on all your old posts.

And clearly show you beleive in a different Jesus.

But my whole point is this:

You CANNOT come to Jeus on your OWN terms...believing him to just

be "our God". but an entirely different entity separate from

the father....and then still expect to be saved !!!

NO WAY.

That is the reason why , when real Salvation takes place, it

will be of GOD"S DOING....NOT YOURS.








Yes, from old posts it may seem that way. BUT AGAIN I HAVE LEARNED SINCE THEN. As that is the reason I do discuss in here.

And it's quite an oxymoron for you to claim that I'm not a born again Christian, when a born again Christian does not judge another. You're pointing a finger with 3 more pointing back at you.

I'll pray for you MorningSong.

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Tue 01/24/12 10:02 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Tue 01/24/12 10:08 AM
You can deny all you want.......and lie all you

want....again..just last week, you stated "how can they be

one entity".

Point being...one last time,

until you DO believe Jesus and the Father and Holy Spirit IS ONLY ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING,

nothing will happen in your life..... NO SALVATION will ever take

place.


And that is WHY that not one single born again christian agrees

with what you teach on here...cause what you teach on

here, does NOT come from the Ilumination of the Holy

Spirit..but ONLY from you Cowboy...from your old nature.


Nothing more.

Cause there is no new nature in you yet.

But I am praying there will be soon





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Tue 01/24/12 10:08 AM

You can deny all you want.......and lie all you

want....again..just last week, you stated "how can they be

one entity".

Point being...one last time,

until you DO believe Jesus and the Father and Holy Spirit IS ONLY ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING,

nothing will happen in your life..... NO SALVATION will ever take

place.







Again, still living in the past. Reason I have mentioned specifically living in the past and have even mentioned people learn and that, that was the reason I discuss in this forum is because I now believe that.

And again, how do you know no salvation has taken? How can you call yourself a Christian and in the same sentence be doing entirely opposite of what the belief instructs?

And I'm not judging you, I know not if you are saved or not, just asking some hypothetical questions, food for thought.

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Tue 01/24/12 10:11 AM

You can deny all you want.......and lie all you

want....again..just last week, you stated "how can they be

one entity".

Point being...one last time,

until you DO believe Jesus and the Father and Holy Spirit IS ONLY ONE ENTITY or ONE SUPREME BEING,

nothing will happen in your life..... NO SALVATION will ever take

place.


And that is WHY that not one single born again christian agrees

with what you teach on here...cause what you teach on

here, does NOT come from the Ilumination of the Holy

Spirit..but ONLY from you Cowboy...from your old nature.


Nothing more.

Cause there is no new nature in you yet.

But I am praying there will be soon








And that is WHY that not one single born aain christian agrees

with what you teach on here...cause what yuo teach on

here, does NOT come from the Ilumination of the Holy

Spirit..but ONLY from you Cowboy...from your old nature.


Nothing more.

Cause there is no new nature yet.

But I am praying there will be soon


What is your intention here? You do realize if it wasn't for God and my faith in God along with the love I possess in my heart for God, I would just leave this forum. You don't discuss, you do almost do the same thing Funches does, just on the other side of the coin now. You're a believer, but yet you belittle other people's beliefs, you judge their salvation, you do exactly what the scriptures tell us not to do.

Much love MorningSong, I'll continue to pray for you.

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Tue 01/24/12 10:13 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Tue 01/24/12 10:17 AM
Sheep recognize the Holy Spirit in another....we see no Holy

Spirit in you...and please again...this is not a put down..it is

to get you delivered from this false teaching you deliver on here.


And I beleive you do love God and are sincere...or I would not

even bother coming back to help you.


But you can love God and still not be saved, Cowboy.

And until you are saved, all you will continue to do ,is

deliver a false message on here....cause no illumination by the

Holy Spirit took place.

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Tue 01/24/12 10:20 AM

Sheep recognize the Holy Spirit in another....we see no Holy

Spirit in you...and please again...this is not a put down..it is

to get you delivered from this false teaching you deliver on here.


And I beleive you do love God and are sincere...or I would not

even bother coming back to help you.


But you can love God and still not be saved, Cowboy.

And until you are saved, all you will continue to do ,is

deliver a false message on here....cause no illumination by the

Holy Spirit took place.



Show me one thing from TODAY that is false.


Sheep recognize the Holy Spirit in another....we see no Holy

Spirit in you...and please again...this is not a put down..it is


Maybe you need to get glasses then. The way you have shown yourself today is not Christian like. You're judging another person, you're downing their beliefs, and spreading false testimony about them.

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Tue 01/24/12 10:34 AM
Your Interpretation of the Word is constantly INCORRECT.

Only because TRUE Understanding of the Word is NOT there yet.

ONLY by the INDWELLING of The Holy Spirit IN a beleiver that

comes thru Salvation, can ILLUMINATION of the TRUTH of God's

Word be made CLEAR to a believer.

NO OTHER WAY.

You are doing it on your own....cause there is NO Holy Spirit

indwelling you yet.


Born again believers are able to recognize this in someone.


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Tue 01/24/12 10:37 AM

Your Interpretation of the Word is constantly INCORRECT.

Only because TRUE Understanding of the Word is NOT there yet.

ONLY by the INDWELLING of The Holy Spirit IN a beleiver that

comes thru Salvation, can ILLUMINATION of the TRUTH of God's

Word be made CLEAR to a believer.

NO OTHER WAY.

You are doing it on your own....cause there is NO Holy Spirit

indwelling you yet.


Born again believers are able to recognize this in someone.




So if the word becomes absolutely clear to a believer when they are saved, why so many denominations? Are you the only one saved out of all the people in all the different denominations?

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Tue 01/24/12 10:52 AM

Cowboy, denying is foolish...all we have to do is

click on all your old posts.

And clearly show you beleive in a different Jesus.

But my whole point is this:

You CANNOT come to Jesus on your OWN terms...believing him to just

be "our God". but an entirely different entity separate from

the Father....and then still expect to be saved !!!

NO WAY.

That is the reason why , when real Salvation takes place, it

will be of GOD"S DOING....NOT YOURS.









You CANNOT come to Jesus on your OWN terms...believing him to just

be "our God"


Who else's God would he be?

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Tue 01/24/12 10:54 AM
1 Cor 3:16-17

16 Do you not know that you are the temple of Yahweh and that the Spirit of Elohim dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of Yahweh, Elohim will destroy him. For the temple of Yahweh is holy, which temple you are.
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2 Cor 2:8-11
9 For to this end I also wrote, that I might put you to the test , whether you are obedient in all things. 10 Now whom you forgive anything, I also forgive. For if indeed I have forgiven anything, I have forgiven that one for your sakes in the presence of Messiah, 11 lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices.
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2 Cor 13:5-6

5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Yahshua our Messiah is in you? — unless indeed you are disqualified. 6 But I trust that you will know that we are not disqualified.
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1 Thess 5:16-22

16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of Yahweh in Messiah Yahshua for you.

19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies. 21 Test all things; hold fast what is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil.
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1 John 4:1-6

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of Yahweh; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of Yahweh: Every spirit that confesses that Yahshua has come in the flesh is of Yahweh, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Yahshua has come in the flesh is not of Yahweh. And this is the spirit of the Anti-messiah, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

4 You are of Yahweh, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5 They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. 6 We are of Yahweh. He who knows Yahweh hears us; he who is not of Yahweh does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
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Tue 01/24/12 11:26 AM
Edited by funches on Tue 01/24/12 11:27 AM

Jesus taught more then the 10 commandments. He taught 613 to be exact. But these two sum up entirely all of Jesus' commandments.

Matthew 22

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


you claim that Jesus had 613 teachings but yet you only follow the two that generally every religion requires their believers to follow...you may as worship Satan he requires his followers to do the same

Jesus said if you love me you will obey me....following only 2 of his 613 teachings is clearly not a sign of Love

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Tue 01/24/12 11:28 AM


Jesus taught more then the 10 commandments. He taught 613 to be exact. But these two sum up entirely all of Jesus' commandments.

Matthew 22

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


you claim that Jesus had 613 teachings but yet you only follow the two that generally every religion requires their believers to follow...you may as worship Satan he requires his followers to do the same

Jesus said if you love me you will obey me....following only 2 of his 613 teachings is clearly not a sign of Love



What other laws did Jesus give that is not followed when following these two?

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Tue 01/24/12 11:34 AM



Jesus taught more then the 10 commandments. He taught 613 to be exact. But these two sum up entirely all of Jesus' commandments.

Matthew 22

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


you claim that Jesus had 613 teachings but yet you only follow the two that generally every religion requires their believers to follow...you may as worship Satan he requires his followers to do the same

Jesus said if you love me you will obey me....following only 2 of his 613 teachings is clearly not a sign of Love



What other laws did Jesus give that is not followed when following these two?



you may as worship Satan he requires his followers to do the same


Hmmm, does he now? Satan has his following loving the Lord with all their mind, heart, soul, and body? Satan has his followers loving their neighbor as they love themselves? Interesting, never seen Satan as being such a love bug.

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Tue 01/24/12 11:43 AM
Yahshua said what his Father had already told him to say in the Torah.

To Love Yahweh with all your heart mind and soul has always been.. Nothing new in the commandments.. nothing new from Yahshua and the 2nd is like it for your brother to call you a friend.

No greater friend than one who would die for you..

Yahshua was our friend.. Our Redeemer and our Messiah felt like us. cried like us, and died never relenting the fact Yahweh is TRUE..

The Torah.................. Where capital LORD is, is YHWH no vowels in Paleo Hebrew no J sound either.. God for your benefit was always to do with El as in Elohim the Us in Genesis.. Read with an open Heart.. Yahshua was our Example

Deut 6:4-5
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one! 5 You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart , with all your soul, and with all your strength.
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Deut 11:13-14

13'And it shall be that if you earnestly obey My commandments which I command you today, to love the LORD your God and serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul,
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Gen 1:1 - Deut 13:4

"If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, 'Let us go after other gods' — which you have not known — 'and let us serve them,' 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice;
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Deut 26:16-19

"This day the LORD your God commands you to observe these statutes and judgments; therefore you shall be careful to observe them with all your heart and with all your soul. 17 Today you have proclaimed the LORD to be your God, and that you will walk in His ways and keep His statutes, His commandments, and His judgments, and that you will obey His voice. 18 Also today the LORD has proclaimed you to be His special people, just as He promised you, that you should keep all His commandments, 19 and that He will set you high above all nations which He has made, in praise, in name, and in honor, and that you may be a holy people to the LORD your God, just as He has spoken."
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Gen 1:1 - Deut 30:3

"Now it shall come to pass, when all these things come upon you, the blessing and the curse which I have set before you, and you call them to mind among all the nations where the LORD your God drives you, 2 and you return to the LORD your God and obey His voice, according to all that I command you today, you and your children, with all your heart and with all your soul, 3 that the LORD your God will bring you back from captivity, and have compassion on you, and gather you again from all the nations where the LORD your God has scattered you.
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Deut 30:6
love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.
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Deut 30:10
obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this Book of the Law, and if you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
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Tue 01/24/12 11:45 AM
Edited by funches on Tue 01/24/12 11:50 AM



Jesus taught more then the 10 commandments. He taught 613 to be exact. But these two sum up entirely all of Jesus' commandments.

Matthew 22

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


you claim that Jesus had 613 teachings but yet you only follow the two that generally every religion requires their believers to follow...you may as worship Satan he requires his followers to do the same

Jesus said if you love me you will obey me....following only 2 of his 613 teachings is clearly not a sign of Love



What other laws did Jesus give that is not followed when following these two?


if all it took was to follow two...then he wouldn't have had 613 of them ...

all i'm saying is that someone that claim that they loved Jesus and claim that he is their Savior and God would follow more than two of his teachings

since you believe in the Trinity at least try for three


oops thats right..according to Christian math...3 only equal to one


ok you probably have to shoot for 9 teachings

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Tue 01/24/12 11:49 AM

Hmmm, does he now? Satan has his following loving the Lord with all their mind, heart, soul, and body? Satan has his followers loving their neighbor as they love themselves? Interesting, never seen Satan as being such a love bug.


wouldn't those that worship Satan as their Lord follow those same commandments that you claim to follow

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Tue 01/24/12 12:09 PM




Jesus taught more then the 10 commandments. He taught 613 to be exact. But these two sum up entirely all of Jesus' commandments.

Matthew 22

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


you claim that Jesus had 613 teachings but yet you only follow the two that generally every religion requires their believers to follow...you may as worship Satan he requires his followers to do the same

Jesus said if you love me you will obey me....following only 2 of his 613 teachings is clearly not a sign of Love



What other laws did Jesus give that is not followed when following these two?


if all it took was to follow two...then he wouldn't have had 613 of them ...

all i'm saying is that someone that claim that they loved Jesus and claim that he is their Savior and God would follow more than two of his teachings

since you believe in the Trinity at least try for three


oops thats right..according to Christian math...3 only equal to one


ok you probably have to shoot for 9 teachings


the 613 is in depth detail about what we are to do and what we are not to do. If you love thy neighbor as thyself you will not lie to them, you will not steal from them, you will not hurt or harm them in anyway and much more. If you love the lord thy God with all your heart soul, mind and body, you will not curse him, you will not obey a false gospel, you will not worship a false God.

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Tue 01/24/12 12:10 PM


Hmmm, does he now? Satan has his following loving the Lord with all their mind, heart, soul, and body? Satan has his followers loving their neighbor as they love themselves? Interesting, never seen Satan as being such a love bug.


wouldn't those that worship Satan as their Lord follow those same commandments that you claim to follow


There is only one lord thy God, and that is Jesus Christ. If someone worships another being as their lord and God, they are worshiping a false God, for there is only one.


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Tue 01/24/12 12:13 PM





Jesus taught more then the 10 commandments. He taught 613 to be exact. But these two sum up entirely all of Jesus' commandments.

Matthew 22

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


you claim that Jesus had 613 teachings but yet you only follow the two that generally every religion requires their believers to follow...you may as worship Satan he requires his followers to do the same

Jesus said if you love me you will obey me....following only 2 of his 613 teachings is clearly not a sign of Love



What other laws did Jesus give that is not followed when following these two?


if all it took was to follow two...then he wouldn't have had 613 of them ...

all i'm saying is that someone that claim that they loved Jesus and claim that he is their Savior and God would follow more than two of his teachings

since you believe in the Trinity at least try for three


oops thats right..according to Christian math...3 only equal to one


ok you probably have to shoot for 9 teachings


the 613 is in depth detail about what we are to do and what we are not to do. If you love thy neighbor as thyself you will not lie to them, you will not steal from them, you will not hurt or harm them in anyway and much more. If you love the lord thy God with all your heart soul, mind and body, you will not curse him, you will not obey a false gospel, you will not worship a false God.


Cowboy.. I believe you are trying or u would not be on here so much.

But if you really believe what you just said.. What gives you the right to change and proclaim a name the Messiah never had?..Blessings..Miles