Interesting that even in 2012, we still refer to feminine and masculine tendencies. What constitutes what is considered masculine or feminine anyways? I would think in this day and age we have gotten past putting labels on what is considered masculine and feminine.


mas, masculus = male
femina, femininus = female

I'm fine with keeping the labels

So you think that even today, males and females should still have completely separate roles?

Yeah, I see that. For example; I still hear people say that is a man's job to do a renovation. Sounds silly to me as one should do whatever they want and it shouldn't be an issue as to whether its a masculine and feminine job.

So, are you saying because a woman can do what is traditionally a man's job; she is butch?

My 2nd cousin and her partner (gay) tore out the walls of their house and do all the remodeling.

I am no longer a DIY. Does that mean I'm not manly anymore? What about all the things I've done in life considered "manly?"

I think the term is out of vogue. Or something.

I don't think being a DIY anymore means you are not manly. As I said; its just labeling and I think its silly to do that.

Cool thread, lots of good points raised!

I know for a fact I analyze things to a very great degree, even tend to branch off into tangents and analyze something else or related in some other way.

If someone accused me of over-analyzing id just assume they thought the subject was not as interesting as I myself think.

To each there own!

Getting flashbacks from Lilith Fair

I didn't see it as an insult, nor did I say it as an insult. I guess it just depends on the individual.

As do I. We are a rare bunch of people. I've been told how bad it is to do this. Who am I hurting really? Surely there's always someone who disagrees, life's full of those. I thought forums were there to discuss, no?

The only issue I have with those who over analyze is when they go off topic on a tangent and don't actually answer a question I've asked. But, that can happen with others, too. Otherwise, it's not a big deal.

I thought proctologist did analyzing?

True. My ADD creeps back in every now and again. I have it mostly under control.

Here's the problem...

Bushidobillyclub (BBC hereafter) referred to defined gender roles as a traditionalist mindset.

Then in trying to understand KLC's point, BBC asked about specific qualities being considered masculine.

I then pointed out that in some cultures those qualities are indeed considered masculine rather than feminine. Furthermore, I then agreed with BBC that it was a traditionalist mindset.

Singmesweet (hereafter SMS) then asked which cultures I were being discussed previous to my comment. None were being discussed. I was introducing the concept into the discussion. The question was irrelevant, so I did not answer it. In fact, I thought the answer was rather obvious.

Because I was confused as to why anyone following the conversation might even ask the question, I tried to forward the discussion by at least referencing two of the cultures I was alluding to.

SMS apparently still did not understand that I had introduced cultural views into the discussion, partly because of KLC's ideas. So, this time she asked more directly if I thought someone else (either BBC or KLC) were referring to these cultures. It was becoming apparent that SMS either believed I misunderstood something someone said - which I did not - or that she thought I was going off on a tangent - which again I was not. I was continuing with the current conversation by providing information while also taking the position that gender roles are traditional, i.e. traditions often specified by culture.

Then, once again, SMS asserted - even more directly this time - that I was somehow off-topic with the conversation. This was the third time around this block. So I tried to point out that she was reading something into the discussion that was never present.

Now here we are, 3 or 4 pages past that point, and SMS is still claiming that I was in the wrong after I agreed to let the matter drop.

Just stating the facts here, and nothing more.

I completely agree with all the points I don't disagree with.

But to answer - archetypes are dull. I used to do demolition. I can hit walls really hard, but I'm incapable of drawing what I would consider a beautiful image on them. Now that's a true man - someone who can paint a pretty picture on a wall, that I can one day demolish as a wage-slave, which, if anything, makes me less than a man for selling my waking life for money.

A fine mind working here.....

It's true, a lot of great points have been made in here. I believe what it all comes down to is that we, as individual men and women, are true to who we are as beings. What better way to live your life than doing what you truly love to do. It brings the best out in all of us.


Having said that, I'm still wicked manly playing in my great big sand box!

Absolutely agree. This is how I chose to live my life and I say to hell with what others think.

Nope they should dress in tutu's and dance like girls

What makes a man manly?