Topic: TSA branching out to the roadways now...........
Kleisto's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:14 PM

Stopping you "to ask you questions" is an arrest if you chose not to answer and walk away and they prevent you from doing that.


Not only that, but in the past you used to have the right to remain silent too, but now it's changed to where you have to ask to use the right in the first place. Many of course don't know that, so staying silent now is basically a means for arrest anymore.

heavenlyboy34's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:15 PM
Edited by heavenlyboy34 on Fri 12/23/11 11:16 PM

I am no frog at all

I am realistic and logical

I realize , police arent psychics, they have to VERIFY information before they can arrest someone, and they usually need some time to detain them in order to make those verifications

I dont know yet any people personally who were just stopped and arrested for 'no reason',,I have heard of people being arrested for breaking laws though,,,

There are plenty of people arrested, assaulted, and murdered by cops for no good reason. Will Grigg reports on this subject routinely at proliberate. http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:16 PM



being stopped is being DETAINED, not arrested


rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

Wrong.

Being "detained" is just another word for being arrested.
It is technically an arrest, whether or not you are charged with a crime.

How would you feel if I stopped and detained you?

That is a citizens arrest.



odd that I have no arrest record then, being I have been stopped before

perhaps in the citizens eyes they are the same

they are different things under the law though



You don't know the law apparently.

That they don't 'make a written record' does not mean that detaining you is not an arrest.

It is technically an arrest. Go ask any lawyer. He knows that with today's police state alive and well, that they get away with it, but he also knows that technically it is AN ARREST.

If a person is taken in for questioning and they go willingly, technically it is NOT an arrest. BUT if they decide to leave, and are prevented from doing so, they then must be placed under arrest officially.

Anything less is considered voluntary. If you don't object to being stopped or detained, they consider this to be voluntary. If you do object the MUST PUT YOU UNDER ARREST OFFICIALLY in order to further detain you.

This is the law.







no, if its not recorded its not a technical arrest, that is just some lawyer speak to invoke fear and get money for their services

an arrest is an arrest, detention is detention

they need REASONABLE suspicion to detain and gather more information, if they have REASONABLE suspicion to detain and you leave, they then have PROBABLE CAUSE to believe you are guilty of or hiding something and can ARREST you

two different standards, two different things

if they dont have reasonable suspicion to detain in the first place and arrest you for leaving, then they face false arrest

Kleisto's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:17 PM


I am no frog at all

I am realistic and logical

I realize , police arent psychics, they have to VERIFY information before they can arrest someone, and they usually need some time to detain them in order to make those verifications

I dont know yet any people personally who were just stopped and arrested for 'no reason',,I have heard of people being arrested for breaking laws though,,,


Wow then you have lead a very sheltered life.

I know people who were picked up off of the street for being drunk or looking like a hippie and taken in to police station and beat up in the elevator and thrown in the drunk tank.


I can do one better, one guy got a DUI and I believe lost his license for sitting in a PARKED car after having been drinking. Wasn't driving, keys weren't even in the ignition from what I recall. Is that very fair? Once you allow such subjective use of law enforcement you pretty much ask for corruption.

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:18 PM


I am no frog at all

I am realistic and logical

I realize , police arent psychics, they have to VERIFY information before they can arrest someone, and they usually need some time to detain them in order to make those verifications

I dont know yet any people personally who were just stopped and arrested for 'no reason',,I have heard of people being arrested for breaking laws though,,,

There are plenty of people arrested, assaulted, and murdered by cops for no good reason. Will Grigg reports on this subject routinely at proliberate. http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/



IM sure there are, Im sure not all cops are saints as they are all human,,,,but Im sure the LAW has recorded some reason for those incidents,,,usually 'reasonable' belief of being in danger,,,,which is one out afforded by officers and taken wrongfully by many who are scum


msharmony's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:19 PM



I am no frog at all

I am realistic and logical

I realize , police arent psychics, they have to VERIFY information before they can arrest someone, and they usually need some time to detain them in order to make those verifications

I dont know yet any people personally who were just stopped and arrested for 'no reason',,I have heard of people being arrested for breaking laws though,,,


Wow then you have lead a very sheltered life.

I know people who were picked up off of the street for being drunk or looking like a hippie and taken in to police station and beat up in the elevator and thrown in the drunk tank.


I can do one better, one guy got a DUI and I believe lost his license for sitting in a PARKED car after having been drinking. Wasn't driving, keys weren't even in the ignition from what I recall. Is that very fair? Once you allow such subjective use of law enforcement you pretty much ask for corruption.



yes, thats fair. one shouldnt be behind the drivers wheel intoxicated. Noone knows that you were or werent driving and anyone can claim they were just taking a nap,,,,,,

no photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:19 PM


Stopping you "to ask you questions" is an arrest if you chose not to answer and walk away and they prevent you from doing that.


Not only that, but in the past you used to have the right to remain silent too, but now it's changed to where you have to ask to use the right in the first place. Many of course don't know that, so staying silent now is basically a means for arrest anymore.


I don't know of any law where that applies.

I was arrested once, (never charged so there is no record that I know of) and I was doing NOTHING but witnessing two others get arrested.

In the car, the police officer asked me my name. I told him I had the right to remain silent. They didn't get my name until later when I was being released.

They released me into the dark street behind the police station in the middle of the night miles from my home or my car. I had to wander around looking for a phone booth to call a cab. I could have been mugged. It wasn't a good neighborhood.


boredinaz06's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:19 PM
Goddamn government is getting to uppity!

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:22 PM
lol

lets try asking them to enforce the laws without permission to stop anyone or ask them anything and without any cooperation from anyone to even tell them a name ......


see how many would complain about how poorly they were doing their jobs,,,smh

Kleisto's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:22 PM
Reasonable suspicion. Ever hear of innocent till proven guilty Msharmony? When cops can use "reasonable suspicion" to detain a person, it basically flies in the face of that and becomes guilty till proven innocent. But that's how it is in Amerika.

no photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:23 PM
no, if its not recorded its not a technical arrest, that is just some lawyer speak to invoke fear and get money for their services


NO it's not simply "lawyer speak." Why do you think lawyers speak about it? Because technically IT IS AN ARREST.

I was locked in a tiny cell. That to me, smacks as an arrest.

If it was not an arrest, then it was a kidnapping.

Wake up girl.

How would you feel if you were picked up and taken to a small cell and held for two hours for no reason, charged with nothing and then released into a dark alley behind the station?

It was pretty scary. It was an arrest. Just because they didn't charge me with a crime does not mean it was not an arrest.

Damn girl, learn your rights.



Kleisto's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:23 PM




I am no frog at all

I am realistic and logical

I realize , police arent psychics, they have to VERIFY information before they can arrest someone, and they usually need some time to detain them in order to make those verifications

I dont know yet any people personally who were just stopped and arrested for 'no reason',,I have heard of people being arrested for breaking laws though,,,


Wow then you have lead a very sheltered life.

I know people who were picked up off of the street for being drunk or looking like a hippie and taken in to police station and beat up in the elevator and thrown in the drunk tank.


I can do one better, one guy got a DUI and I believe lost his license for sitting in a PARKED car after having been drinking. Wasn't driving, keys weren't even in the ignition from what I recall. Is that very fair? Once you allow such subjective use of law enforcement you pretty much ask for corruption.



yes, thats fair. one shouldnt be behind the drivers wheel intoxicated. Noone knows that you were or werent driving and anyone can claim they were just taking a nap,,,,,,


You may as well work for the damn system with how much you kiss it's butt msharmony. It is staggering to me.

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:24 PM

Reasonable suspicion. Ever hear of innocent till proven guilty Msharmony? When cops can use "reasonable suspicion" to detain a person, it basically flies in the face of that and becomes guilty till proven innocent. But that's how it is in Amerika.


right, so everyone is innocent so long as they are never required to tell the police anything or disclose their identity ,,,,,


makes sense to me,,,

the crooks could have a field day,,,

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:25 PM





I am no frog at all

I am realistic and logical

I realize , police arent psychics, they have to VERIFY information before they can arrest someone, and they usually need some time to detain them in order to make those verifications

I dont know yet any people personally who were just stopped and arrested for 'no reason',,I have heard of people being arrested for breaking laws though,,,


Wow then you have lead a very sheltered life.

I know people who were picked up off of the street for being drunk or looking like a hippie and taken in to police station and beat up in the elevator and thrown in the drunk tank.


I can do one better, one guy got a DUI and I believe lost his license for sitting in a PARKED car after having been drinking. Wasn't driving, keys weren't even in the ignition from what I recall. Is that very fair? Once you allow such subjective use of law enforcement you pretty much ask for corruption.



yes, thats fair. one shouldnt be behind the drivers wheel intoxicated. Noone knows that you were or werent driving and anyone can claim they were just taking a nap,,,,,,


You may as well work for the damn system with how much you kiss it's butt msharmony. It is staggering to me.



I dont kiss butt Kleisto, I just try to see people for who they are and I try to think LOGICALLY about whats involved in any situation,,,,

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:25 PM

no, if its not recorded its not a technical arrest, that is just some lawyer speak to invoke fear and get money for their services


NO it's not simply "lawyer speak." Why do you think lawyers speak about it? Because technically IT IS AN ARREST.

I was locked in a tiny cell. That to me, smacks as an arrest.

If it was not an arrest, then it was a kidnapping.

Wake up girl.

How would you feel if you were picked up and taken to a small cell and held for two hours for no reason, charged with nothing and then released into a dark alley behind the station?

It was pretty scary. It was an arrest. Just because they didn't charge me with a crime does not mean it was not an arrest.

Damn girl, learn your rights.






define what is 'technically' an arrest if its not what the law recognizes as an arrest?



msharmony's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:26 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 12/23/11 11:28 PM

no, if its not recorded its not a technical arrest, that is just some lawyer speak to invoke fear and get money for their services


NO it's not simply "lawyer speak." Why do you think lawyers speak about it? Because technically IT IS AN ARREST.

I was locked in a tiny cell. That to me, smacks as an arrest.

If it was not an arrest, then it was a kidnapping.

Wake up girl.

How would you feel if you were picked up and taken to a small cell and held for two hours for no reason, charged with nothing and then released into a dark alley behind the station?

It was pretty scary. It was an arrest. Just because they didn't charge me with a crime does not mean it was not an arrest.

Damn girl, learn your rights.





I think lawyers speak about it for the same reason they tell people daily to make 'pleas', its the easiest way to gain authority and trust and a new client,,,,,make them feel its us(The lawyer and client) against them (the police)


it probably wouldnt happen, because I wouldnt have an issue with letting an officer know my name, that would be at least one less reason they would have to 'keep' me,,,,

Kleisto's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:27 PM



Stopping you "to ask you questions" is an arrest if you chose not to answer and walk away and they prevent you from doing that.


Not only that, but in the past you used to have the right to remain silent too, but now it's changed to where you have to ask to use the right in the first place. Many of course don't know that, so staying silent now is basically a means for arrest anymore.


I don't know of any law where that applies.

I was arrested once, (never charged so there is no record that I know of) and I was doing NOTHING but witnessing two others get arrested.

In the car, the police officer asked me my name. I told him I had the right to remain silent. They didn't get my name until later when I was being released.

They released me into the dark street behind the police station in the middle of the night miles from my home or my car. I had to wander around looking for a phone booth to call a cab. I could have been mugged. It wasn't a good neighborhood.




Wow you are lucky you didn't get hurt or killed. Nice way to treat a citizen.

As for the right thing, this is what I am talking about for reference:

http://www.blogher.com/unambiguous-right-remain-silent-changes-miranda-warning-berghuis-v-thompkins

Kleisto's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:28 PM


Reasonable suspicion. Ever hear of innocent till proven guilty Msharmony? When cops can use "reasonable suspicion" to detain a person, it basically flies in the face of that and becomes guilty till proven innocent. But that's how it is in Amerika.


right, so everyone is innocent so long as they are never required to tell the police anything or disclose their identity ,,,,,


makes sense to me,,,

the crooks could have a field day,,,


They already do, you just don't see them.

Kleisto's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:29 PM






I am no frog at all

I am realistic and logical

I realize , police arent psychics, they have to VERIFY information before they can arrest someone, and they usually need some time to detain them in order to make those verifications

I dont know yet any people personally who were just stopped and arrested for 'no reason',,I have heard of people being arrested for breaking laws though,,,


Wow then you have lead a very sheltered life.

I know people who were picked up off of the street for being drunk or looking like a hippie and taken in to police station and beat up in the elevator and thrown in the drunk tank.


I can do one better, one guy got a DUI and I believe lost his license for sitting in a PARKED car after having been drinking. Wasn't driving, keys weren't even in the ignition from what I recall. Is that very fair? Once you allow such subjective use of law enforcement you pretty much ask for corruption.



yes, thats fair. one shouldnt be behind the drivers wheel intoxicated. Noone knows that you were or werent driving and anyone can claim they were just taking a nap,,,,,,


You may as well work for the damn system with how much you kiss it's butt msharmony. It is staggering to me.



I dont kiss butt Kleisto, I just try to see people for who they are and I try to think LOGICALLY about whats involved in any situation,,,,


Says you, my definition is logic is nothing likes yours.......but oh well......you'll learn one day even if it's the hard way.

msharmony's photo
Fri 12/23/11 11:29 PM



Reasonable suspicion. Ever hear of innocent till proven guilty Msharmony? When cops can use "reasonable suspicion" to detain a person, it basically flies in the face of that and becomes guilty till proven innocent. But that's how it is in Amerika.


right, so everyone is innocent so long as they are never required to tell the police anything or disclose their identity ,,,,,


makes sense to me,,,

the crooks could have a field day,,,


They already do, you just don't see them.



of course I dont, Im not using that pair of glasses

the ones where anyone in authority is so much less caring or honest than I am