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That is like saying that African Americans brought lynchings upon themselves by moving into "white areas" or by trying to sit at the lunch counter or ride in the front of the bus. African Americans did not create hatred towards themselves by creating conflict. African Americans found themselves perpetually in conflict because of racial prejudice and discrimination. It is exactly the same case in Israel. Israel is attacked because they are not welcome in the neighborhood and this is the origin of the conflict. If the Arabs laid down their arms and accepted the Jewish state of Israel then the conflict is over. Edited by s1owhand on Sun 12/04/11 12:10 PM I think you have that scenario backwards. Terrorism is not land disputes. Terrorism is planting bombs in buses, cafes, marketplaces and schools. Terrorism is shooting rockets indiscriminately into cities to try to kill innocent civilians. Bus, cafe, market bombs and rocket attacks on cities are the tactics of Hamas not Israel. This is why Hamas and Hezbollah are recognized the world over as terrorist organizations and why Iran who supports them is considered the worlds worst state sponsor of terrorist attacks. To try to blame the Israel victims of the terrorist attacks for the actions of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran in killing innocent people is just both laughable and revolting. No one is buying it.   |
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That is like saying that African Americans brought lynchings upon themselves by moving into "white areas" or by trying to sit at the lunch counter or ride in the front of the bus. African Americans did not create hatred towards themselves by creating conflict. African Americans found themselves perpetually in conflict because of racial prejudice and discrimination. It is exactly the same case in Israel. Israel is attacked because they are not welcome in the neighborhood and this is the origin of the conflict. If the Arabs laid down their arms and accepted the Jewish state of Israel then the conflict is over. Edited by s1owhand on Sun 12/04/11 12:10 PM I think you have that scenario backwards. Terrorism is not land disputes. Terrorism is planting bombs in buses, cafes, marketplaces and schools. Terrorism is shooting rockets indiscriminately into cities to try to kill innocent civilians. Bus, cafe, market bombs and rocket attacks on cities are the tactics of Hamas not Israel. This is why Hamas and Hezbollah are recognized the world over as terrorist organizations and why Iran who supports them is considered the worlds worst state sponsor of terrorist attacks. To try to blame the Israel victims of the terrorist attacks for the actions of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran in killing innocent people is just both laughable and revolting. No one is buying it. The facts speak for themselves. anti-Semitism is at a verry high level and its not because people hate jews for being jews. Anti-Semitism is the charge that Israel flings at anyone who criticizes them. Its a real fraud and irony that Israel treats the Palastinians as Hitler treated Poland. I think most people once informed are revolted by what the state of Israel is doing. It is verry hard to change peoples conditioning being they are naturaly sympathetic to the Jewish cause, so its a real sad testement to Israels current leadership and the crimes they are commiting in the name of stopping terrorism. |
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s1owhand
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That is like saying that African Americans brought lynchings upon themselves by moving into "white areas" or by trying to sit at the lunch counter or ride in the front of the bus. African Americans did not create hatred towards themselves by creating conflict. African Americans found themselves perpetually in conflict because of racial prejudice and discrimination. It is exactly the same case in Israel. Israel is attacked because they are not welcome in the neighborhood and this is the origin of the conflict. If the Arabs laid down their arms and accepted the Jewish state of Israel then the conflict is over. Edited by s1owhand on Sun 12/04/11 12:10 PM I think you have that scenario backwards. Terrorism is not land disputes. Terrorism is planting bombs in buses, cafes, marketplaces and schools. Terrorism is shooting rockets indiscriminately into cities to try to kill innocent civilians. Bus, cafe, market bombs and rocket attacks on cities are the tactics of Hamas not Israel. This is why Hamas and Hezbollah are recognized the world over as terrorist organizations and why Iran who supports them is considered the worlds worst state sponsor of terrorist attacks. To try to blame the Israel victims of the terrorist attacks for the actions of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran in killing innocent people is just both laughable and revolting. No one is buying it. The facts speak for themselves. anti-Semitism is at a verry high level and its not because people hate jews for being jews. Anti-Semitism is the charge that Israel flings at anyone who criticizes them. Its a real fraud and irony that Israel treats the Palastinians as Hitler treated Poland. I think most people once informed are revolted by what the state of Israel is doing. It is verry hard to change peoples conditioning being they are naturaly sympathetic to the Jewish cause, so its a real sad testement to Israels current leadership and the crimes they are commiting in the name of stopping terrorism. The Israelis are not committing the crimes though! Israel conducts checkpoints and inspections. Hamas kills children on buses and social gatherings. Compare. I will help you. The terrorists are the ones actively trying to kill innocent Israeli women and children on purpose. The checkpoints and inspections at airports and borders are the price we have to all pay to avoid more hijackings and bombings but these are not crimes but prudent protective measures. Bus bombers on the other hand are war crimes. Most people can distinguish the difference - and should support the Israelis strongly in their effort to build a safe and non-violent country for their children. If only the Palestinians would do the same. Jew-hatred or antisemitism predates 1948 by a good 1000 years. Jew-hate is the cause of the irrational and self-defeating attacks against the Jewish State of Israel and likewise the source of the anguish and misery on both sides. It should stop and the Arabs have the ability to put it to rest so easily by accepting Israel as a Jewish state and laying down their arms. |
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That is like saying that African Americans brought lynchings upon themselves by moving into "white areas" or by trying to sit at the lunch counter or ride in the front of the bus. African Americans did not create hatred towards themselves by creating conflict. African Americans found themselves perpetually in conflict because of racial prejudice and discrimination. It is exactly the same case in Israel. Israel is attacked because they are not welcome in the neighborhood and this is the origin of the conflict. If the Arabs laid down their arms and accepted the Jewish state of Israel then the conflict is over. Edited by s1owhand on Sun 12/04/11 12:10 PM I think you have that scenario backwards. Terrorism is not land disputes. Terrorism is planting bombs in buses, cafes, marketplaces and schools. Terrorism is shooting rockets indiscriminately into cities to try to kill innocent civilians. Bus, cafe, market bombs and rocket attacks on cities are the tactics of Hamas not Israel. This is why Hamas and Hezbollah are recognized the world over as terrorist organizations and why Iran who supports them is considered the worlds worst state sponsor of terrorist attacks. To try to blame the Israel victims of the terrorist attacks for the actions of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran in killing innocent people is just both laughable and revolting. No one is buying it. The facts speak for themselves. anti-Semitism is at a verry high level and its not because people hate jews for being jews. Anti-Semitism is the charge that Israel flings at anyone who criticizes them. Its a real fraud and irony that Israel treats the Palastinians as Hitler treated Poland. I think most people once informed are revolted by what the state of Israel is doing. It is verry hard to change peoples conditioning being they are naturaly sympathetic to the Jewish cause, so its a real sad testement to Israels current leadership and the crimes they are commiting in the name of stopping terrorism. The Israelis are not committing the crimes though! Israel conducts checkpoints and inspections. Hamas kills children on buses and social gatherings. Compare. I will help you. The terrorists are the ones actively trying to kill innocent Israeli women and children on purpose. The checkpoints and inspections at airports and borders are the price we have to all pay to avoid more hijackings and bombings but these are not crimes but prudent protective measures. Bus bombers on the other hand are war crimes. Most people can distinguish the difference - and should support the Israelis strongly in their effort to build a safe and non-violent country for their children. If only the Palestinians would do the same. Jew-hatred or antisemitism predates 1948 by a good 1000 years. Jew-hate is the cause of the irrational and self-defeating attacks against the Jewish State of Israel and likewise the source of the anguish and misery on both sides. It should stop and the Arabs have the ability to put it to rest so easily by accepting Israel as a Jewish state and laying down their arms. this comes back down to looking at BOTH sides, what they have done to each other its not enough to just look at today and point out which side is striking without considering the whole HISTORY and the ongoing tensions that have remained because of it israelis have indeed allowed innocent palistinans to be massacred in the past, so their hands are not free of blood and guilt, blood and guilt that Im sure is not easily forgotten by those who are or have PERSONALLY lived through it and with it as a way of life |
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That is like saying that African Americans brought lynchings upon themselves by moving into "white areas" or by trying to sit at the lunch counter or ride in the front of the bus. African Americans did not create hatred towards themselves by creating conflict. African Americans found themselves perpetually in conflict because of racial prejudice and discrimination. It is exactly the same case in Israel. Israel is attacked because they are not welcome in the neighborhood and this is the origin of the conflict. If the Arabs laid down their arms and accepted the Jewish state of Israel then the conflict is over. Edited by s1owhand on Sun 12/04/11 12:10 PM I think you have that scenario backwards. Terrorism is not land disputes. Terrorism is planting bombs in buses, cafes, marketplaces and schools. Terrorism is shooting rockets indiscriminately into cities to try to kill innocent civilians. Bus, cafe, market bombs and rocket attacks on cities are the tactics of Hamas not Israel. This is why Hamas and Hezbollah are recognized the world over as terrorist organizations and why Iran who supports them is considered the worlds worst state sponsor of terrorist attacks. To try to blame the Israel victims of the terrorist attacks for the actions of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran in killing innocent people is just both laughable and revolting. No one is buying it. The facts speak for themselves. anti-Semitism is at a verry high level and its not because people hate jews for being jews. Anti-Semitism is the charge that Israel flings at anyone who criticizes them. Its a real fraud and irony that Israel treats the Palastinians as Hitler treated Poland. I think most people once informed are revolted by what the state of Israel is doing. It is verry hard to change peoples conditioning being they are naturaly sympathetic to the Jewish cause, so its a real sad testement to Israels current leadership and the crimes they are commiting in the name of stopping terrorism. The Israelis are not committing the crimes though! Israel conducts checkpoints and inspections. Hamas kills children on buses and social gatherings. Compare. I will help you. The terrorists are the ones actively trying to kill innocent Israeli women and children on purpose. The checkpoints and inspections at airports and borders are the price we have to all pay to avoid more hijackings and bombings but these are not crimes but prudent protective measures. Bus bombers on the other hand are war crimes. Most people can distinguish the difference - and should support the Israelis strongly in their effort to build a safe and non-violent country for their children. If only the Palestinians would do the same. Jew-hatred or antisemitism predates 1948 by a good 1000 years. Jew-hate is the cause of the irrational and self-defeating attacks against the Jewish State of Israel and likewise the source of the anguish and misery on both sides. It should stop and the Arabs have the ability to put it to rest so easily by accepting Israel as a Jewish state and laying down their arms. this comes back down to looking at BOTH sides, what they have done to each other its not enough to just look at today and point out which side is striking without considering the whole HISTORY and the ongoing tensions that have remained because of it israelis have indeed allowed innocent palistinans to be massacred in the past, so their hands are not free of blood and guilt, blood and guilt that Im sure is not easily forgotten by those who are or have PERSONALLY lived through it and with it as a way of life As I said before, I am not unsympathetic to the pathetic plight of the Palestinians but there would be no Palestinians if there had been acceptance of Israel and repeated unprovoked attacks on Israel by the Arabs and Arafat etc. It has never been Israeli policy to kill and murder Palestinians. Israel has only battled back in self-defense. This is the real history for those who actually look into it. Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Aqsa and their ilk on the other hand have always had the POLICY of teaching jew-hatred in their schools, and attacking known civilians on purpose to try to kill people. When they have laid down their arms as did Jordan and Egypt then the Israelis have always respected their peace agreements. This is the truth of the matter. |
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That is like saying that African Americans brought lynchings upon themselves by moving into "white areas" or by trying to sit at the lunch counter or ride in the front of the bus. African Americans did not create hatred towards themselves by creating conflict. African Americans found themselves perpetually in conflict because of racial prejudice and discrimination. It is exactly the same case in Israel. Israel is attacked because they are not welcome in the neighborhood and this is the origin of the conflict. If the Arabs laid down their arms and accepted the Jewish state of Israel then the conflict is over. Edited by s1owhand on Sun 12/04/11 12:10 PM I think you have that scenario backwards. Terrorism is not land disputes. Terrorism is planting bombs in buses, cafes, marketplaces and schools. Terrorism is shooting rockets indiscriminately into cities to try to kill innocent civilians. Bus, cafe, market bombs and rocket attacks on cities are the tactics of Hamas not Israel. This is why Hamas and Hezbollah are recognized the world over as terrorist organizations and why Iran who supports them is considered the worlds worst state sponsor of terrorist attacks. To try to blame the Israel victims of the terrorist attacks for the actions of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran in killing innocent people is just both laughable and revolting. No one is buying it. The facts speak for themselves. anti-Semitism is at a verry high level and its not because people hate jews for being jews. Anti-Semitism is the charge that Israel flings at anyone who criticizes them. Its a real fraud and irony that Israel treats the Palastinians as Hitler treated Poland. I think most people once informed are revolted by what the state of Israel is doing. It is verry hard to change peoples conditioning being they are naturaly sympathetic to the Jewish cause, so its a real sad testement to Israels current leadership and the crimes they are commiting in the name of stopping terrorism. The Israelis are not committing the crimes though! Israel conducts checkpoints and inspections. Hamas kills children on buses and social gatherings. Compare. I will help you. The terrorists are the ones actively trying to kill innocent Israeli women and children on purpose. The checkpoints and inspections at airports and borders are the price we have to all pay to avoid more hijackings and bombings but these are not crimes but prudent protective measures. Bus bombers on the other hand are war crimes. Most people can distinguish the difference - and should support the Israelis strongly in their effort to build a safe and non-violent country for their children. If only the Palestinians would do the same. Jew-hatred or antisemitism predates 1948 by a good 1000 years. Jew-hate is the cause of the irrational and self-defeating attacks against the Jewish State of Israel and likewise the source of the anguish and misery on both sides. It should stop and the Arabs have the ability to put it to rest so easily by accepting Israel as a Jewish state and laying down their arms. this comes back down to looking at BOTH sides, what they have done to each other its not enough to just look at today and point out which side is striking without considering the whole HISTORY and the ongoing tensions that have remained because of it israelis have indeed allowed innocent palistinans to be massacred in the past, so their hands are not free of blood and guilt, blood and guilt that Im sure is not easily forgotten by those who are or have PERSONALLY lived through it and with it as a way of life As I said before, I am not unsympathetic to the pathetic plight of the Palestinians but there would be no Palestinians if there had been acceptance of Israel and repeated unprovoked attacks on Israel by the Arabs and Arafat etc. It has never been Israeli policy to kill and murder Palestinians. Israel has only battled back in self-defense. This is the real history for those who actually look into it. Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Aqsa and their ilk on the other hand have always had the POLICY of teaching jew-hatred in their schools, and attacking known civilians on purpose to try to kill people. When they have laid down their arms as did Jordan and Egypt then the Israelis have always respected their peace agreements. This is the truth of the matter. killing innocent palestinians is not excused by whether or not palestinians 'accepted' Israel Israeli doesnt have to have an official 'policy' to be engaged in wrongdoing Israel has allowed innocent palestinians to be slaughtered by others, and I Believe has its own bigots who do their fair share of killing as well they are too equally human to be so inhumanly perfect as to not have innocent blood on their hands that is just as inexcused as any other loss of innocent blood,,, |
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As I said before, I am not unsympathetic to the pathetic plight of the Palestinians but there would be no Palestinians if there had been acceptance of Israel and repeated unprovoked attacks on Israel by the Arabs and Arafat etc. It has never been Israeli policy to kill and murder Palestinians. Israel has only battled back in self-defense. This is the real history for those who actually look into it. Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Aqsa and their ilk on the other hand have always had the POLICY of teaching jew-hatred in their schools, and attacking known civilians on purpose to try to kill people. When they have laid down their arms as did Jordan and Egypt then the Israelis have always respected their peace agreements. This is the truth of the matter. Check out the lead up to Operation Cast Lead and see who broke the Truce. 23 days and nights of bombing ------ self defense..?????---No 23 days and night of terror for the people of Gaza and a war crime |
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heavenlyboy34
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imagine if this type of crucifixion had happened to those opposing race based oppression in the united states... what if someone had simply stated '"The dixiecrat critic will never state dixiecrat go home but is questioning the legality of the oppression of the africans and therefore the right for the african people to be treated equally. He will not say the dixiecrats are the evil of the world but claim that the dixiecrats are a major influence for continued oppression and war in the region," he said. "There is no other party, no other people on this planet the 'dixiecrat critic' would dedicate so much time and devotion as to the case of dixiecrats." it would seem completely logical to anyone being honest and not a word of 'hate' could be found but much like people complain that anyone against obama must only be so because of his race so too, do people falsely complain, that any sentiment of non support of Israel is simply because it is jewish,,, do we honestly expect to silence people when they feel wronged just because EVERYONE is not guilty of wronging them? That is like saying that African Americans brought lynchings upon themselves by moving into "white areas" or by trying to sit at the lunch counter or ride in the front of the bus. African Americans did not create hatred towards themselves by creating conflict. African Americans found themselves perpetually in conflict because of racial prejudice and discrimination. It is exactly the same case in Israel. Israel is attacked because they are not welcome in the neighborhood and this is the origin of the conflict. but the difference is African AMericans didnt 'move', they were 'forced' into america the difference is one is talking about how people FEEL And your example talks about what people DO to each other AFrican americans did not create conflict because there was no CHOICE involved in their being here in the first place ISrael was GIVEN a nation by non israelis and non palestinians(The UN) which came in and decided who would get what and both sides have treated the other criminally ever since to fight to either keep what an outside source gave them or take back what was taken away AFricans were BROUGHT to the states by Americans who then decided what rights they would or would not afford them , which caused conflict and continues to cause a certain level of conflict there are black people who hate whites because of mere ignorance, but there are others who have LEGITIMATE And personal experiences that created those feelings,, just as there are whites who are ignorant and those who have personal experiences which create those feelings and it is not hateful to have honest discourse about any of those differences in where feelings come from,,, It is not so different. Jews were FORCED to flee for their lives from Germany, Eastern Europe, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Morocco and Lebanon. Strict immigration laws found them with nowhere else to go but Jews in Israel - at the time called Palestine took pity on the refugees and welcomed them in. Israel was not given to the Jews by the UN although this is a common misconception. Modern Israel was re-founded by Jews who had lived there for ages in part via a settlement of the Ottoman Empire lands after World War I 30 years prior to the illegal UN action. Here are links to the actual history. http://www.youtube.com/user/iitvNews#p/u/1/lYJd5pT1T78 and http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mftoc.html In any case - Jew hatred preceded the Israel-Arab conflict by a thousand years! It is just plain ignorant to suggest that the victims are to blame for the conflict. Just like trying to blame the US for the attacks by Al-Qaeda or Lockerbie or trying to blame the blacks for lychings. If the Arabs accept Israel as a Jewish state and lay down arms the conflict is really over. nothing about this is simple there is more than ONE level YES , there is hatred that comes from ignorance and jewish bigotry but to deny there is also hatred that is stemming from real and personal experiences of the palestines, is blindness at its worst... or denial I am not trying to minimize the Palestinian suffering. It is tragic. But it is a result of the conflict which was created by intolerance of the Jewish state. The only Palestinian refugees before the Arabs attacked the fledgling state of Israel were Jews. Of course all parties are aggrieved but the Jew-hatred predates Israel by a long shot and was not a result of the conflict. Those attacking Israel should lay down their arms and live in peace. The concept of a "Jewish State" called Israel is a fiction, and orthodox jews do not accept it. You can find voluminous information about this subject, including writings of many Rabbis from Maimonides to the Post war/contemporary period here-http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/rabbi_quotes/alter.cfm I suppose they are not a Member of the UN either? Guess that's a Fiction too! Furthermore it's a Fiction that they belong to any International Body! You all really have to do better than this! Who gives a Poo about a few Fringe-Soreheads that are unable to find their way around in today's World? I suppose you'll soon hear from the Amish,Mennonites and Quakers on how illusory and fictional the USofA is! All nations are fiction in the real world. Their boundaries are arbitrarily drawn-most are the result of conquest, some are determined by geography. "Israel", in particular is a fiction. Historically, there has never been a place called "Israel" until the 20th century, and then only upon arbitrary UN mandate. The word "Israel" prior to that just referred to a group of 12 nomadic tribes. There was, of course, once a kingdom of Judah ("Judah-ites" were the inhabitants) See here-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_%28united_monarchy%29 and here-http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Kingdom_of_Judah Hell, the concept of a nation-state didn't really come into fruition until the 18th-19th century. Before that, "official" borders were constantly changing ("constantly" in the larger context of history, of course). ETA: I encourage you to also study the Diaspora. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora This event is not refuted by any credentialed historian. |
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The real concern of those American Jews who are taken in by Zionist propaganda is that a second term Obama might, just might, decide to put America’s own real interests first and confront the Zionist lobby and its stooges in Congress in order to get a real peace process going. (Readers of the third volume of the American edition of my book Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews will be aware of what former President Jimmy Carter told me. For those who are not aware, Carter told me that any American president has only two windows of opportunity to take on the Zionist lobby: “in the first nine months of his first term” and “the last year of his second term if he has one”.)
http://www.redress.cc/palestine/ahart20111203 |
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That is like saying that African Americans brought lynchings upon themselves by moving into "white areas" or by trying to sit at the lunch counter or ride in the front of the bus. African Americans did not create hatred towards themselves by creating conflict. African Americans found themselves perpetually in conflict because of racial prejudice and discrimination. It is exactly the same case in Israel. Israel is attacked because they are not welcome in the neighborhood and this is the origin of the conflict. If the Arabs laid down their arms and accepted the Jewish state of Israel then the conflict is over. Edited by s1owhand on Sun 12/04/11 12:10 PM I think you have that scenario backwards. Terrorism is not land disputes. Terrorism is planting bombs in buses, cafes, marketplaces and schools. Terrorism is shooting rockets indiscriminately into cities to try to kill innocent civilians. Bus, cafe, market bombs and rocket attacks on cities are the tactics of Hamas not Israel. This is why Hamas and Hezbollah are recognized the world over as terrorist organizations and why Iran who supports them is considered the worlds worst state sponsor of terrorist attacks. To try to blame the Israel victims of the terrorist attacks for the actions of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran in killing innocent people is just both laughable and revolting. No one is buying it. The facts speak for themselves. anti-Semitism is at a verry high level and its not because people hate jews for being jews. Anti-Semitism is the charge that Israel flings at anyone who criticizes them. Its a real fraud and irony that Israel treats the Palastinians as Hitler treated Poland. I think most people once informed are revolted by what the state of Israel is doing. It is verry hard to change peoples conditioning being they are naturaly sympathetic to the Jewish cause, so its a real sad testement to Israels current leadership and the crimes they are commiting in the name of stopping terrorism. The Israelis are not committing the crimes though! Israel conducts checkpoints and inspections. Hamas kills children on buses and social gatherings. Compare. I will help you. The terrorists are the ones actively trying to kill innocent Israeli women and children on purpose. The checkpoints and inspections at airports and borders are the price we have to all pay to avoid more hijackings and bombings but these are not crimes but prudent protective measures. Bus bombers on the other hand are war crimes. Most people can distinguish the difference - and should support the Israelis strongly in their effort to build a safe and non-violent country for their children. If only the Palestinians would do the same. Jew-hatred or antisemitism predates 1948 by a good 1000 years. Jew-hate is the cause of the irrational and self-defeating attacks against the Jewish State of Israel and likewise the source of the anguish and misery on both sides. It should stop and the Arabs have the ability to put it to rest so easily by accepting Israel as a Jewish state and laying down their arms. this comes back down to looking at BOTH sides, what they have done to each other its not enough to just look at today and point out which side is striking without considering the whole HISTORY and the ongoing tensions that have remained because of it israelis have indeed allowed innocent palistinans to be massacred in the past, so their hands are not free of blood and guilt, blood and guilt that Im sure is not easily forgotten by those who are or have PERSONALLY lived through it and with it as a way of life As I said before, I am not unsympathetic to the pathetic plight of the Palestinians but there would be no Palestinians if there had been acceptance of Israel and repeated unprovoked attacks on Israel by the Arabs and Arafat etc. It has never been Israeli policy to kill and murder Palestinians. Israel has only battled back in self-defense. This is the real history for those who actually look into it. Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Aqsa and their ilk on the other hand have always had the POLICY of teaching jew-hatred in their schools, and attacking known civilians on purpose to try to kill people. When they have laid down their arms as did Jordan and Egypt then the Israelis have always respected their peace agreements. This is the truth of the matter. killing innocent palestinians is not excused by whether or not palestinians 'accepted' Israel Israeli doesnt have to have an official 'policy' to be engaged in wrongdoing Israel has allowed innocent palestinians to be slaughtered by others, and I Believe has its own bigots who do their fair share of killing as well they are too equally human to be so inhumanly perfect as to not have innocent blood on their hands that is just as inexcused as any other loss of innocent blood,,, Israel has not "allowed" innocent people to be killed. Terrorist groups are not tolerated in Israel or the U.S. Not to say that there haven't been defensive wars. But Israel has not allowed innocent people to be killed Israel goes out of their way to warn civilians and always has military targets who are firing at them before returning fire. When there have been mistakes, those responsible have been vigorously prosecuted in Israel. By contrast, Hamas holds celebrations and gives out candy when innocent civilians are successfully killed. |
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The problem with the American presidential fixation with Israel’s security is that it is based on a myth – that poor little Israel has lived in constant danger of annihilation, “the driving into the sea of its Jews”. As I document in detail in my book, the truth of history is that Israel’s existence has never, ever, been in danger from any combination of Arab forces. Not in 1948. Not in 1967. And not even in 1973.
http://www.redress.cc/palestine/ahart20111203 |
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The real concern of those American Jews who are taken in by Zionist propaganda is that a second term Obama might, just might, decide to put America’s own real interests first and confront the Zionist lobby and its stooges in Congress in order to get a real peace process going. (Readers of the third volume of the American edition of my book Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews will be aware of what former President Jimmy Carter told me. For those who are not aware, Carter told me that any American president has only two windows of opportunity to take on the Zionist lobby: “in the first nine months of his first term” and “the last year of his second term if he has one”.) http://www.redress.cc/palestine/ahart20111203 Are you now speaking for American Jews? |
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The real concern of those American Jews who are taken in by Zionist propaganda is that a second term Obama might, just might, decide to put America’s own real interests first and confront the Zionist lobby and its stooges in Congress in order to get a real peace process going. (Readers of the third volume of the American edition of my book Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews will be aware of what former President Jimmy Carter told me. For those who are not aware, Carter told me that any American president has only two windows of opportunity to take on the Zionist lobby: “in the first nine months of his first term” and “the last year of his second term if he has one”.) http://www.redress.cc/palestine/ahart20111203 Are you now speaking for American Jews? he's not speaking at all... he's just posting from the anti-Jewish websites... |
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Ah, it was just copied and pasted? I didn't bother to look at the link.
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heavenlyboy34
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The real concern of those American Jews who are taken in by Zionist propaganda is that a second term Obama might, just might, decide to put America’s own real interests first and confront the Zionist lobby and its stooges in Congress in order to get a real peace process going. (Readers of the third volume of the American edition of my book Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews will be aware of what former President Jimmy Carter told me. For those who are not aware, Carter told me that any American president has only two windows of opportunity to take on the Zionist lobby: “in the first nine months of his first term” and “the last year of his second term if he has one”.) http://www.redress.cc/palestine/ahart20111203 Are you now speaking for American Jews? he's not speaking at all... he's just posting from the anti-Jewish websites... Zionism is not Judaism and vice-versa. |
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The real concern of those American Jews who are taken in by Zionist propaganda is that a second term Obama might, just might, decide to put America’s own real interests first and confront the Zionist lobby and its stooges in Congress in order to get a real peace process going. (Readers of the third volume of the American edition of my book Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews will be aware of what former President Jimmy Carter told me. For those who are not aware, Carter told me that any American president has only two windows of opportunity to take on the Zionist lobby: “in the first nine months of his first term” and “the last year of his second term if he has one”.) http://www.redress.cc/palestine/ahart20111203 Are you now speaking for American Jews? he's not speaking at all... he's just posting from the anti-Jewish websites... Zionism is not Judaism and vice-versa. i disagree...just a play on words |
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Zionism (Hebrew: ציונות, Tsiyonut) is a Jewish political movement that, in its broadest sense, has supported the self-determination of the Jewish people in a sovereign Jewish national homeland.[1] Since the establishment of the State of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily to advocate on behalf of the Jewish state and address threats to its continued existence and security. In a less common usage, the term may also refer to non-political, cultural Zionism, founded and represented most prominently by Ahad Ha'am; and political support for the State of Israel by non-Jews, as in Christian Zionism.
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The real concern of those American Jews who are taken in by Zionist propaganda is that a second term Obama might, just might, decide to put America’s own real interests first and confront the Zionist lobby and its stooges in Congress in order to get a real peace process going. (Readers of the third volume of the American edition of my book Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews will be aware of what former President Jimmy Carter told me. For those who are not aware, Carter told me that any American president has only two windows of opportunity to take on the Zionist lobby: “in the first nine months of his first term” and “the last year of his second term if he has one”.) http://www.redress.cc/palestine/ahart20111203 Are you now speaking for American Jews? he's not speaking at all... he's just posting from the anti-Jewish websites... Zionism is not Judaism and vice-versa. As Jenniebean has stated in the past, she doesn't know/care whether "zionists" are actually Jewish or not. I'm guessing others like her are the same way. It's just a way for people to rationalize going after Jews. |
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Ah, it was just copied and pasted? I didn't bother to look at the link. I am just as lazy as you But what I copy and paste I believe in. Nice and easy does it. |
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Huh. The I love jews thread is gone already and yet several jew bashing threads stick around? Interesting.
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