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Jeanniebean
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Thu 11/03/11 03:05 PM
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Okay, how about this:
A man and woman are married. They have children. Then the man gets a sex change operation. Are they still legally married in the eyes of the law? If not, why not? |
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I would like to thank all the people here that are opened hearted as well as minded to know that Homosexuality is noting more than a varience of naure. I'm sadden by the ones who reside in a prejudice point of view and feel that people like myself are not entitled or worthy of marriage (in a church) and are not capibale of loving the same gender. I too am saddened with those who would oppose two people in love regardless of gender. The nice thing is its a minority on this thread that are like that and not the majority. I dont oppose being 'in love' I oppose certain SEXUAL behaviors,,, Fortunately, people do not have to get your permission to have sex. So, while you may oppose those sexual behaviors, that won't affect other people. I totally agree. Most opinions dont affect others, yet we have forums full of those opinions anyhow. |
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Bin  When humans stop considering differences wrong, we will be able to end all this discriminatory dialogue and reactions. It is okay not to be the same as others. And being gay hurts no one. So naturally being gay is okay and should be allowed all rights that all other humans have. likewise, incest 'hurts' noone either if it is consentual I guess we should be prepared to have uncle dads and aunty moms eventually, or perhaps we will totally get rid of the unfair family labels and gender recognition altogether... How did we all know that was coming?...lol Incest does hurt. But I guess Christians don't know that since they believe in it. Their bible starts with it. And incestuous beginning to man and they claim moral superiority  please explain how RESPONSIBLE incestuous sex is hurtful? Are you saying that you think people who engage in gay sex have underlying issues that cause that, yet you're ok with people who engage in incestuous sex are completely fine? lol. No. I mentioned nothing here about whether Im 'ok' with incestuous sex. I am pointing out some things that proponents of same sex marriage seem to avoid and rarely have an honest answer to. If all consenting adults should be permitted to be married, why do we not allow incestuous marriages? Is it because of fear of deformed children? Well, dna advances are able to test for recessive genes in the potential parents. It can be done with the blood test often required for the license, to make sure that risk is minimal. And non related spouses arent required to prove they dont have recessive genes so that may be discriminatory. So we could just include the test with all applicants for marriage. Problem solved. so , with the, 'the children might be deformed' argument out of the way,, why do you think people would possibly not accept, condone, and equate to any other relationship, that of a loving grown father and his loving grown daughter? Wiki says marriages between 1st and 2nd cousins account for 10% of marriages worldwide... Plus, those are known stats. It would not be hard for a brother and sister or a male and female cousin to lie...A same sex couple might have a harder time hiding the fact that they were same a sex couple wishing to marry...Know what I mean Harmony? nope, cant say that I do I was asking why sibling marriage shouldnt be LEGAL on the same grounds that homosexual marriage should,,,, |
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might be less Strife and War if we kept out of the PERSONAL Business of other People!
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Or: two "gay" people want to get married. One of them gets a sex change operation. Can they now get married?
If so, then is it just the plumbing people are concerned about? Why? |
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Okay, how about this: A man and woman are married. They have children. Then the man gets a sex change operation. Are they still legally married in the eyes of the law? If not, why not? I imagine they are, because the initial contract has already been initated which doesnt require either to remain a specific gender, just that they start off that way. |
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might be less Strife and War if we kept out of the PERSONAL Business of other People! Amen to that. |
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might be less Strife and War if we kept out of the PERSONAL Business of other People! I wish we could. But the law often is made to do just that, get INVOLVED with their personal business and promote and encourage and legally sanction it. |
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might be less Strife and War if we kept out of the PERSONAL Business of other People! I wish we could. But the law often is made to do just that, get INVOLVED with their personal business and promote and encourage and legally sanction it. People should learn when they are poking their nose where is does not belong though. If no one is being hurt, what two consenting adults do and who they love and want to live with is nobody's business. |
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might be less Strife and War if we kept out of the PERSONAL Business of other People! What a wonderful world it would be!!! |
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might be less Strife and War if we kept out of the PERSONAL Business of other People! I wish we could. But the law often is made to do just that, get INVOLVED with their personal business and promote and encourage and legally sanction it. People should learn when they are poking their nose where is does not belong though. If no one is being hurt, what two consenting adults do and who they love and want to live with is nobody's business. obvious and immediate harm are not the only types. there is social harm, environmental harm, and other types of harm that dont have an APPARENT and IMMEDIATE victim which brings me back to the question, based upon the if noone is being hurt/consenting adults,, argument why shouldnt two responsible adult siblings be permitted to worry without people sticking their noses in? |
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might be less Strife and War if we kept out of the PERSONAL Business of other People! I wish we could. But the law often is made to do just that, get INVOLVED with their personal business and promote and encourage and legally sanction it. We can and we can often pick and choose what we get involved in and to what degree... |
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How can you say you "love them most in the world" but you consider part of what makes them who they are, you consider "unhealthy and unclean and unnatural"? Wouldn't your considering that about them taint your love for them? gay is no part that make them, it is simply part of the choice they make. Is your being African not part of you, just like my being of Irish descent is part of me? Just like you have dark hair and dark eyes and I have red hair and green eyes is part of which makes us different....things we have no choice (except for hair color) in changing. I am the proud mother of a lesbian/transgendered young adult. I say it that way because she hasn't gone for her shots yet in order to change her appearance, so she is still a lesbian right now. I knew from the time she was about two years old that she was gay...there was NO abuse of ANY kind, my ex and I were still together at the time so it was still a two parent home, so where was her "cause" for hating to wear girls clothes, not wanting to play with girl toy?? She had both older male and female cousins but always wanted the clothes from her male cousins. Even if the outfit only had a teddy bear on it, she wanted the one driving the truck not the one holding flowers. For her first three years of schooling, she tried to act like a girl but it wasn't working and she had so many problems with schooling. Once she went into counseling and into a different school where she could act how she wanted without being around other young children she grew up with who picked on her because of her liking girls, she came into her own, did great in school, and graduated with honors...and a girlfriend who stood behind her. It most definitely is not a CHOICE....she would not choose to be in a situation where she had to move to a different state away from most of her family, just in order to finish her middle school/high school education. A choice that would put her through so much shunning and ridicule that she had to find somewhere else to feel accepted by her peers, her family always accepted her, no matter what. AMEN Eileen!! I got your back girl! BRAVO for you and your daughter to face the difficulties that small closed minded people have to project on others. |
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might be less Strife and War if we kept out of the PERSONAL Business of other People! I wish we could. But the law often is made to do just that, get INVOLVED with their personal business and promote and encourage and legally sanction it. We can and we can often pick and choose what we get involved in and to what degree... again, I totally agree. |
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might be less Strife and War if we kept out of the PERSONAL Business of other People! I wish we could. But the law often is made to do just that, get INVOLVED with their personal business and promote and encourage and legally sanction it. People should learn when they are poking their nose where is does not belong though. If no one is being hurt, what two consenting adults do and who they love and want to live with is nobody's business. obvious and immediate harm are not the only types. there is social harm, environmental harm, and other types of harm that dont have an APPARENT and IMMEDIATE victim which brings me back to the question, based upon the if noone is being hurt/consenting adults,, argument why shouldnt two responsible adult siblings be permitted to worry without people sticking their noses in? You mean permitted to marry? They should. I know a brother and sister who had two children together. 1. Why do you think there is social harm if gays are permitted to marry? 2. What would be environmental harm? 3. What other types of imagined harm are you talking about? |
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might be less Strife and War if we kept out of the PERSONAL Business of other People! I wish we could. But the law often is made to do just that, get INVOLVED with their personal business and promote and encourage and legally sanction it. Ms Harmony, May I suggest you look up some of the laws. ALOT of laws were put in place years(like 100's) ago. Sodomy is against the law in many states. Yet from what I see it is generally accepted by the puritan community if it is consensual between a husband and wife. But yet is forbidden and frowned upon if by someone of the same gender. This world would have a whole lot more peace if people would just accept things they do not understand, and may not agree with. If an act happens between two consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes, then I believe NOONE has the right to try and dictate if it is right or wrong. No matter my personal belief, I feel everyone should be allowed the chance to try and achieve their own level of happiness. If I do not agree with them, then I will simply not involve myself in it. As long as it is not illegal (which again some states do still have some really odd laws on the books if you research them)and it is between consenting adults---Then LET THEM BE!! |
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might be less Strife and War if we kept out of the PERSONAL Business of other People! I wish we could. But the law often is made to do just that, get INVOLVED with their personal business and promote and encourage and legally sanction it. People should learn when they are poking their nose where is does not belong though. If no one is being hurt, what two consenting adults do and who they love and want to live with is nobody's business. obvious and immediate harm are not the only types. there is social harm, environmental harm, and other types of harm that dont have an APPARENT and IMMEDIATE victim which brings me back to the question, based upon the if noone is being hurt/consenting adults,, argument why shouldnt two responsible adult siblings be permitted to worry without people sticking their noses in? You mean permitted to marry? They should. I know a brother and sister who had two children together. 1. Why do you think there is social harm if gays are permitted to marry? 2. What would be environmental harm? 3. What other types of imagined harm are you talking about? lol, yes I do mean permitted to marry. |
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might be less Strife and War if we kept out of the PERSONAL Business of other People! I wish we could. But the law often is made to do just that, get INVOLVED with their personal business and promote and encourage and legally sanction it. Ms Harmony, May I suggest you look up some of the laws. ALOT of laws were put in place years(like 100's) ago. Sodomy is against the law in many states. Yet from what I see it is generally accepted by the puritan community if it is consensual between a husband and wife. But yet is forbidden and frowned upon if by someone of the same gender. This world would have a whole lot more peace if people would just accept things they do not understand, and may not agree with. If an act happens between two consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes, then I believe NOONE has the right to try and dictate if it is right or wrong. No matter my personal belief, I feel everyone should be allowed the chance to try and achieve their own level of happiness. If I do not agree with them, then I will simply not involve myself in it. As long as it is not illegal (which again some states do still have some really odd laws on the books if you research them)and it is between consenting adults---Then LET THEM BE!! Hallelujah sister!!! 
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might be less Strife and War if we kept out of the PERSONAL Business of other People! I wish we could. But the law often is made to do just that, get INVOLVED with their personal business and promote and encourage and legally sanction it. Ms Harmony, May I suggest you look up some of the laws. ALOT of laws were put in place years(like 100's) ago. Sodomy is against the law in many states. Yet from what I see it is generally accepted by the puritan community if it is consensual between a husband and wife. But yet is forbidden and frowned upon if by someone of the same gender. This world would have a whole lot more peace if people would just accept things they do not understand, and may not agree with. If an act happens between two consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes, then I believe NOONE has the right to try and dictate if it is right or wrong. No matter my personal belief, I feel everyone should be allowed the chance to try and achieve their own level of happiness. If I do not agree with them, then I will simply not involve myself in it. As long as it is not illegal (which again some states do still have some really odd laws on the books if you research them)and it is between consenting adults---Then LET THEM BE!! Hallelujah sister!!! Thank you , I have a real problem with people who feel the need to PROJECT their beliefs on others. |
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might be less Strife and War if we kept out of the PERSONAL Business of other People! I wish we could. But the law often is made to do just that, get INVOLVED with their personal business and promote and encourage and legally sanction it. Ms Harmony, May I suggest you look up some of the laws. ALOT of laws were put in place years(like 100's) ago. Sodomy is against the law in many states. Yet from what I see it is generally accepted by the puritan community if it is consensual between a husband and wife. But yet is forbidden and frowned upon if by someone of the same gender. This world would have a whole lot more peace if people would just accept things they do not understand, and may not agree with. If an act happens between two consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes, then I believe NOONE has the right to try and dictate if it is right or wrong. No matter my personal belief, I feel everyone should be allowed the chance to try and achieve their own level of happiness. If I do not agree with them, then I will simply not involve myself in it. As long as it is not illegal (which again some states do still have some really odd laws on the books if you research them)and it is between consenting adults---Then LET THEM BE!! Hallelujah sister!!! Thank you , I have a real problem with people who feel the need to PROJECT their beliefs on others. Yeah, someone need to develop a vaccination and make taking the shot mandatory! 
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