Topic: What is wrong with being Gay?
msharmony's photo
Thu 11/03/11 12:19 PM



Binlaugh

When humans stop considering differences wrong, we will be able to end all this discriminatory dialogue and reactions.

It is okay not to be the same as others.

And being gay hurts no one.

So naturally being gay is okay and should be allowed all rights that all other humans have.



likewise, incest 'hurts' noone either if it is consentual

I guess we should be prepared to have uncle dads and aunty moms eventually, or perhaps we will totally get rid of the unfair family labels and gender recognition altogether...


How did we all know that was coming?...lol

Incest does hurt. But I guess Christians don't know that since they believe in it. Their bible starts with it.

And incestuous beginning to man and they claim moral superiorityslaphead



please explain how RESPONSIBLE incestuous sex is hurtful?

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Thu 11/03/11 12:20 PM



I actually agree that it's the churches right to decide who gets married there or not. I'm 100% for gay marriage, but also understand that a particular church has a right to deny them the chance to be married there. You can't take away the rights of the individual churches either. That's not fair.


I would not be for forcing churches to marry gay people if they choose not to. However, I would not say that gay people should not be allowed to marry in churches if they choose to do so.


that makes no sense... if the churches say no, what are you gunna do?


Find another church that will. They exist.

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Thu 11/03/11 12:20 PM







its not acceptable to use the body for physical and sexual satisfaction which it was not BUILT for



I guess our Creator should have omitted the clitoris then if he didn't want sex to be satistactory. whoa slaphead


The clitoris must stay:banana:



who said it shouldnt satisfy?

I just stated that shouldnt be the only concern in the choice to be sexually active or in the decision of whom to be sexually active with

In fact, I added that it is satisfying as a way to ENCOURAGE procreation. Just as food is tasty to ENCOURAGE eating. But the purpose of food is nutrition and the purpose of sex is procreation.



You forgot to state "for me" at the end of that.

Because I know sex for many others is definitely not for procreation.

Can I get an amen from those out there who know sex is not just for procreation????


I have sex because it feels good. :tongue:


Chocolate eclairs are really nice but if you keep on satisfying yourself with eclairs you will end up really fat and not be able to enjoy sex.

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Thu 11/03/11 12:21 PM




Binlaugh

When humans stop considering differences wrong, we will be able to end all this discriminatory dialogue and reactions.

It is okay not to be the same as others.

And being gay hurts no one.

So naturally being gay is okay and should be allowed all rights that all other humans have.



likewise, incest 'hurts' noone either if it is consentual

I guess we should be prepared to have uncle dads and aunty moms eventually, or perhaps we will totally get rid of the unfair family labels and gender recognition altogether...


How did we all know that was coming?...lol

Incest does hurt. But I guess Christians don't know that since they believe in it. Their bible starts with it.

And incestuous beginning to man and they claim moral superiorityslaphead



please explain how RESPONSIBLE incestuous sex is hurtful?


Are you saying that you think people who engage in gay sex have underlying issues that cause that, yet you're ok with people who engage in incestuous sex are completely fine?

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Thu 11/03/11 12:22 PM








its not acceptable to use the body for physical and sexual satisfaction which it was not BUILT for



I guess our Creator should have omitted the clitoris then if he didn't want sex to be satistactory. whoa slaphead


The clitoris must stay:banana:



who said it shouldnt satisfy?

I just stated that shouldnt be the only concern in the choice to be sexually active or in the decision of whom to be sexually active with

In fact, I added that it is satisfying as a way to ENCOURAGE procreation. Just as food is tasty to ENCOURAGE eating. But the purpose of food is nutrition and the purpose of sex is procreation.



You forgot to state "for me" at the end of that.

Because I know sex for many others is definitely not for procreation.

Can I get an amen from those out there who know sex is not just for procreation????


I have sex because it feels good. :tongue:


Chocolate eclairs are really nice but if you keep on satisfying yourself with eclairs you will end up really fat and not be able to enjoy sex.


What does this have to do with what I said?

Dragoness's photo
Thu 11/03/11 12:23 PM




Binlaugh

When humans stop considering differences wrong, we will be able to end all this discriminatory dialogue and reactions.

It is okay not to be the same as others.

And being gay hurts no one.

So naturally being gay is okay and should be allowed all rights that all other humans have.



likewise, incest 'hurts' noone either if it is consentual

I guess we should be prepared to have uncle dads and aunty moms eventually, or perhaps we will totally get rid of the unfair family labels and gender recognition altogether...


How did we all know that was coming?...lol

Incest does hurt. But I guess Christians don't know that since they believe in it. Their bible starts with it.

And incestuous beginning to man and they claim moral superiorityslaphead



please explain how RESPONSIBLE incestuous sex is hurtful?


No, you figure it out since you have an obsession with incest.

You obviously haven't thought it through yet because you fixate on it.

So you let me know when you have it right.

I will wait patiently for the day.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 11/03/11 12:25 PM





Binlaugh

When humans stop considering differences wrong, we will be able to end all this discriminatory dialogue and reactions.

It is okay not to be the same as others.

And being gay hurts no one.

So naturally being gay is okay and should be allowed all rights that all other humans have.



likewise, incest 'hurts' noone either if it is consentual

I guess we should be prepared to have uncle dads and aunty moms eventually, or perhaps we will totally get rid of the unfair family labels and gender recognition altogether...


How did we all know that was coming?...lol

Incest does hurt. But I guess Christians don't know that since they believe in it. Their bible starts with it.

And incestuous beginning to man and they claim moral superiorityslaphead



please explain how RESPONSIBLE incestuous sex is hurtful?


Are you saying that you think people who engage in gay sex have underlying issues that cause that, yet you're ok with people who engage in incestuous sex are completely fine?


No it is the way the church and some religious try to demonize the idea of sex and marriage between gays. It is false rhetoric that is all.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 11/03/11 12:25 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Thu 11/03/11 12:26 PM







pretty sure... i have seen dogs and monkeys hump on each other, but thats not really a gay thing, just a need for sex, and whatever is closest to them... when a puppy humps your leg, do you not tell it no? well, the same thing with gays, they need to be told no...


If that were the case, that homosexuals only slept with each other because that's what's closest to them, then they would sleep with members of the opposite sex as well, if they were the "closest thing" to them. I can't even believe you just said that.

And you really need to do some research before you start posting things like this. There have been numerous studies involving homosexuality in the animal kingdom. And it doesn't only occur because they only want to hump the closest thing to them.


so your a homo expert? why don't you explain why they hump then? do any animals (same sex) try to live and breed with each other? NO they do not... show me one species that does, mrs know it all...


Actually, one of the articles posted here did say same sex animals have paired up for life.

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx

Animals that live a completely homosexual life can also be found. This occurs especially among birds that will pair with one partner for life, which is the case with geese and ducks. Four to five percent of the couples are homosexual. Single females will lay eggs in a homosexual pair's nest. It has been observced that the homosexual couple are often better at raising the young than heterosexual couples.




it would be interesting to know the medical criteria for 'better at raising',,,lol


their is not enough known about this to base any conclusion... i have been around ducks and geese, turkeys, all sorts of animals all my life, and have never seen anything like this... gays to to special lengths to legitimize their behavior...so it is "normal" because someone thought they saw a gay duck? hahahahahahahahah


You asked for someone to show animals who have done what you say they don't do. I did that with this article. It's obvious that nothing anyone shows you is not going to change your mind, no matter what it says. So why not just say you're never going to believe any research whatsoever that shoes homosexual behavior in nature?


you showed me what you think is the truth, and thank you, but i really don't think they have studied it enough to come to any conclusion... being gay is about the sex, not about love... do these geese and ducks have gay butt sex? i don't think they do... lots of animals get together for safety reasons, not because they want sex with each other....

Dragoness's photo
Thu 11/03/11 12:27 PM
laugh

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Thu 11/03/11 12:28 PM








pretty sure... i have seen dogs and monkeys hump on each other, but thats not really a gay thing, just a need for sex, and whatever is closest to them... when a puppy humps your leg, do you not tell it no? well, the same thing with gays, they need to be told no...


If that were the case, that homosexuals only slept with each other because that's what's closest to them, then they would sleep with members of the opposite sex as well, if they were the "closest thing" to them. I can't even believe you just said that.

And you really need to do some research before you start posting things like this. There have been numerous studies involving homosexuality in the animal kingdom. And it doesn't only occur because they only want to hump the closest thing to them.


so your a homo expert? why don't you explain why they hump then? do any animals (same sex) try to live and breed with each other? NO they do not... show me one species that does, mrs know it all...


Actually, one of the articles posted here did say same sex animals have paired up for life.

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx

Animals that live a completely homosexual life can also be found. This occurs especially among birds that will pair with one partner for life, which is the case with geese and ducks. Four to five percent of the couples are homosexual. Single females will lay eggs in a homosexual pair's nest. It has been observced that the homosexual couple are often better at raising the young than heterosexual couples.




it would be interesting to know the medical criteria for 'better at raising',,,lol


their is not enough known about this to base any conclusion... i have been around ducks and geese, turkeys, all sorts of animals all my life, and have never seen anything like this... gays to to special lengths to legitimize their behavior...so it is "normal" because someone thought they saw a gay duck? hahahahahahahahah


You asked for someone to show animals who have done what you say they don't do. I did that with this article. It's obvious that nothing anyone shows you is not going to change your mind, no matter what it says. So why not just say you're never going to believe any research whatsoever that shoes homosexual behavior in nature?


you showed me what you think is the truth, and thank you, but i really don't think they have studied it enough to come to any conclusion... being gay is about the sex, not about love... do these geese and ducks have gay butt sex? i don't think they do... lots of animals get together for safety reasons, not because they want sex with each other....


Did you even bother to read the article? It also talks about same sex animals having sex with each other.


ShannonMarie21's photo
Thu 11/03/11 12:30 PM








pretty sure... i have seen dogs and monkeys hump on each other, but thats not really a gay thing, just a need for sex, and whatever is closest to them... when a puppy humps your leg, do you not tell it no? well, the same thing with gays, they need to be told no...


If that were the case, that homosexuals only slept with each other because that's what's closest to them, then they would sleep with members of the opposite sex as well, if they were the "closest thing" to them. I can't even believe you just said that.

And you really need to do some research before you start posting things like this. There have been numerous studies involving homosexuality in the animal kingdom. And it doesn't only occur because they only want to hump the closest thing to them.


so your a homo expert? why don't you explain why they hump then? do any animals (same sex) try to live and breed with each other? NO they do not... show me one species that does, mrs know it all...


Actually, one of the articles posted here did say same sex animals have paired up for life.

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx

Animals that live a completely homosexual life can also be found. This occurs especially among birds that will pair with one partner for life, which is the case with geese and ducks. Four to five percent of the couples are homosexual. Single females will lay eggs in a homosexual pair's nest. It has been observced that the homosexual couple are often better at raising the young than heterosexual couples.




it would be interesting to know the medical criteria for 'better at raising',,,lol


their is not enough known about this to base any conclusion... i have been around ducks and geese, turkeys, all sorts of animals all my life, and have never seen anything like this... gays to to special lengths to legitimize their behavior...so it is "normal" because someone thought they saw a gay duck? hahahahahahahahah


You asked for someone to show animals who have done what you say they don't do. I did that with this article. It's obvious that nothing anyone shows you is not going to change your mind, no matter what it says. So why not just say you're never going to believe any research whatsoever that shoes homosexual behavior in nature?


you showed me what you think is the truth, and thank you, but i really don't think they have studied it enough to come to any conclusion... being gay is about the sex, not about love... do these geese and ducks have gay butt sex? i don't think they do... lots of animals get together for safety reasons, not because they want sex with each other....


But in an earlier post you said that puppies hump puppies of the same sex because they were the closest thing to them. You cant say that and then turn around and say that same sex animals don't get together because they want sex with each other. And if being gay is about the sex, then these puppies you spoke of, wouldn't they be gay by your own logic? You're contradicting yourself here.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 11/03/11 12:31 PM









pretty sure... i have seen dogs and monkeys hump on each other, but thats not really a gay thing, just a need for sex, and whatever is closest to them... when a puppy humps your leg, do you not tell it no? well, the same thing with gays, they need to be told no...


If that were the case, that homosexuals only slept with each other because that's what's closest to them, then they would sleep with members of the opposite sex as well, if they were the "closest thing" to them. I can't even believe you just said that.

And you really need to do some research before you start posting things like this. There have been numerous studies involving homosexuality in the animal kingdom. And it doesn't only occur because they only want to hump the closest thing to them.


so your a homo expert? why don't you explain why they hump then? do any animals (same sex) try to live and breed with each other? NO they do not... show me one species that does, mrs know it all...


Actually, one of the articles posted here did say same sex animals have paired up for life.

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx

Animals that live a completely homosexual life can also be found. This occurs especially among birds that will pair with one partner for life, which is the case with geese and ducks. Four to five percent of the couples are homosexual. Single females will lay eggs in a homosexual pair's nest. It has been observced that the homosexual couple are often better at raising the young than heterosexual couples.




it would be interesting to know the medical criteria for 'better at raising',,,lol


their is not enough known about this to base any conclusion... i have been around ducks and geese, turkeys, all sorts of animals all my life, and have never seen anything like this... gays to to special lengths to legitimize their behavior...so it is "normal" because someone thought they saw a gay duck? hahahahahahahahah


You asked for someone to show animals who have done what you say they don't do. I did that with this article. It's obvious that nothing anyone shows you is not going to change your mind, no matter what it says. So why not just say you're never going to believe any research whatsoever that shoes homosexual behavior in nature?


you showed me what you think is the truth, and thank you, but i really don't think they have studied it enough to come to any conclusion... being gay is about the sex, not about love... do these geese and ducks have gay butt sex? i don't think they do... lots of animals get together for safety reasons, not because they want sex with each other....


Did you even bother to read the article? It also talks about same sex animals having sex with each other.




a monkey will hump a knothole in a tree if it gets the urge... he just never learned what to do with it yet... whats your point?

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Thu 11/03/11 12:31 PM

being gay is about the sex, not about love...


really?
o.O
two human beings can't fall in love with each other simply because they're the same sex?

msharmony's photo
Thu 11/03/11 12:31 PM





Binlaugh

When humans stop considering differences wrong, we will be able to end all this discriminatory dialogue and reactions.

It is okay not to be the same as others.

And being gay hurts no one.

So naturally being gay is okay and should be allowed all rights that all other humans have.



likewise, incest 'hurts' noone either if it is consentual

I guess we should be prepared to have uncle dads and aunty moms eventually, or perhaps we will totally get rid of the unfair family labels and gender recognition altogether...


How did we all know that was coming?...lol

Incest does hurt. But I guess Christians don't know that since they believe in it. Their bible starts with it.

And incestuous beginning to man and they claim moral superiorityslaphead



please explain how RESPONSIBLE incestuous sex is hurtful?


Are you saying that you think people who engage in gay sex have underlying issues that cause that, yet you're ok with people who engage in incestuous sex are completely fine?



lol. No.

I mentioned nothing here about whether Im 'ok' with incestuous sex. I am pointing out some things that proponents of same sex marriage seem to avoid and rarely have an honest answer to.

If all consenting adults should be permitted to be married, why do we not allow incestuous marriages?

Is it because of fear of deformed children? Well, dna advances are able to test for recessive genes in the potential parents. It can be done with the blood test often required for the license, to make sure that risk is minimal. And non related spouses arent required to prove they dont have recessive genes so that may be discriminatory. So we could just include the test with all applicants for marriage. Problem solved.


so , with the, 'the children might be deformed' argument out of the way,, why do you think people would possibly not accept, condone, and equate to any other relationship, that of a loving grown father and his loving grown daughter?



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Thu 11/03/11 12:37 PM
As long as it doesnt become compulsory...

msharmony's photo
Thu 11/03/11 12:42 PM
LOL,,,

guess I would be locked up for non compliance,,,

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Thu 11/03/11 12:45 PM
Edited by hyerlevo on Thu 11/03/11 12:46 PM
I would like to thank all the people here that are opened hearted as well as minded to know that Homosexuality is noting more than a varience of naure.

I'm sadden by the ones who reside in a prejudice point of view and feel that people like myself are not entitled or worthy of marriage (in a church) and are not capibale of loving the same gender.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 11/03/11 01:00 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Thu 11/03/11 01:02 PM






Binlaugh

When humans stop considering differences wrong, we will be able to end all this discriminatory dialogue and reactions.

It is okay not to be the same as others.

And being gay hurts no one.

So naturally being gay is okay and should be allowed all rights that all other humans have.



likewise, incest 'hurts' noone either if it is consentual

I guess we should be prepared to have uncle dads and aunty moms eventually, or perhaps we will totally get rid of the unfair family labels and gender recognition altogether...


How did we all know that was coming?...lol

Incest does hurt. But I guess Christians don't know that since they believe in it. Their bible starts with it.

And incestuous beginning to man and they claim moral superiorityslaphead



please explain how RESPONSIBLE incestuous sex is hurtful?


Are you saying that you think people who engage in gay sex have underlying issues that cause that, yet you're ok with people who engage in incestuous sex are completely fine?



lol. No.

I mentioned nothing here about whether Im 'ok' with incestuous sex. I am pointing out some things that proponents of same sex marriage seem to avoid and rarely have an honest answer to.

If all consenting adults should be permitted to be married, why do we not allow incestuous marriages?

Is it because of fear of deformed children? Well, dna advances are able to test for recessive genes in the potential parents. It can be done with the blood test often required for the license, to make sure that risk is minimal. And non related spouses arent required to prove they dont have recessive genes so that may be discriminatory. So we could just include the test with all applicants for marriage. Problem solved.


so , with the, 'the children might be deformed' argument out of the way,, why do you think people would possibly not accept, condone, and equate to any other relationship, that of a loving grown father and his loving grown daughter?





Like I said it is false rhetoric designed to equate the similarity of "gayness" to an unhealthy relationship, in other words demonize it.

It is false rhetoric.

It really makes the ones who use it look bad.

navygirl's photo
Thu 11/03/11 01:01 PM

I would like to thank all the people here that are opened hearted as well as minded to know that Homosexuality is noting more than a varience of naure.

I'm sadden by the ones who reside in a prejudice point of view and feel that people like myself are not entitled or worthy of marriage (in a church) and are not capibale of loving the same gender.


I too am saddened with those who would oppose two people in love regardless of gender. The nice thing is its a minority on this thread that are like that and not the majority.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 11/03/11 01:03 PM

Does it really matter where you find happiness and satisfaction? Same sex relationships or heterosexual relationships?


And on top of all of it, it isn't anyones business as long as you are of age and mental consent.