Topic: Welfare recipient drug tests are unconstitiutional :)
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Tue 11/01/11 04:42 PM

Those in favor of this show their prejudice mindset on the matter of welfare recipients in general.


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Just like everyone who agrees with the tea part supports racism, right?

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It is sad that there are so many prejudice folks


Its sad when prejudice is assumed, because its convenient for your worldview.

There is no valid legitimate unprejudice reason to test welfare recipients for drugs.


You are so open minded! laugh


There are no more drug users in welfare population than in any other population ie making it a prejudice belief.


Hey - you accused me of making assumptions earlier. I do - completely reasonable ones.

But come on now! State my assumptions! And quote me - in full- to provide evidence.

Or do you just like throwing around unjustified accusations?

It completely doesn't matter whether or not welfare users are more or less likely to do drugs, precisely because we are not making prejudiced assumptions in our reasoning.

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Tue 11/01/11 04:44 PM


I am in no way "prejudice" against welfare recipients.


Oh, but you disagree with Dragoness' position.

Therefore, apparently, you are prejudiced.

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Tue 11/01/11 04:45 PM
Well, since it is one person's fraction of a millionth of a cent that seems to want to cause someone to victimize and cost us more money they need not pay it, since paying taxes is optional.

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Tue 11/01/11 04:47 PM



The welfare system needs to be severely overhauled. There is a difference between those who cannot help themselves and those who will not help themselves. Those who cannot help themselves are bed ridden or through no fault of their own confined to a wheel chair, need a machine to help them communicate and these people I have no heartburn helping. People who will not help themselves feel entitled to money, food on the table and a roof over their head because they have babies to feed. A lot of people have babies to feed and they still work, most welfare recipients like my neighbor are leeches. Because you have kids does not mean you should be supported, quit having kids and take care of yourself. People who support the idea of welfare without drug testing are idiots...including the activist judge who has a perverted view of justice.


The entitlement attitude is an illness in its own right.


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Tue 11/01/11 04:48 PM


Those in favor of this show their prejudice mindset on the matter of welfare recipients in general.


laugh laugh laugh

Just like everyone who agrees with the tea part supports racism, right?

laugh laugh laugh

It is sad that there are so many prejudice folks


Its sad when prejudice is assumed, because its convenient for your worldview.

There is no valid legitimate unprejudice reason to test welfare recipients for drugs.


You are so open minded! laugh


There are no more drug users in welfare population than in any other population ie making it a prejudice belief.


Hey - you accused me of making assumptions earlier. I do - completely reasonable ones.

But come on now! State my assumptions! And quote me - in full- to provide evidence.

Or do you just like throwing around unjustified accusations?

It completely doesn't matter whether or not welfare users are more or less likely to do drugs, precisely because we are not making prejudiced assumptions in our reasoning.



Then there is no need to drug test for welfare, it will save lots of money and not make a whole lot of people perpetrators of discrimination.:banana:

I am so glad you worked that out on your own.

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Tue 11/01/11 04:49 PM


You are probably right that people wacked out on drugs can't fill out the papers anyway.




In california, being 'whacked out on drugs' is part of some peoples' strategy for qualifying for the so-called 'crazy check'.

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Tue 11/01/11 04:50 PM




The welfare system needs to be severely overhauled. There is a difference between those who cannot help themselves and those who will not help themselves. Those who cannot help themselves are bed ridden or through no fault of their own confined to a wheel chair, need a machine to help them communicate and these people I have no heartburn helping. People who will not help themselves feel entitled to money, food on the table and a roof over their head because they have babies to feed. A lot of people have babies to feed and they still work, most welfare recipients like my neighbor are leeches. Because you have kids does not mean you should be supported, quit having kids and take care of yourself. People who support the idea of welfare without drug testing are idiots...including the activist judge who has a perverted view of justice.


The entitlement attitude is an illness in its own right.




Entitlement is actually a criminal mentality that leads to criminal acts.

It has absolutely nothing to do with welfare and being poor.

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Tue 11/01/11 04:51 PM



You are probably right that people wacked out on drugs can't fill out the papers anyway.




In california, being 'whacked out on drugs' is part of some peoples' strategy for qualifying for the so-called 'crazy check'.


Except it doesn't work.

Shows that they don't know how to do it properly.

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Tue 11/01/11 04:52 PM



I am in no way "prejudice" against welfare recipients.


Oh, but you disagree with Dragoness' position.

Therefore, apparently, you are prejudiced.

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Tue 11/01/11 04:53 PM



I am in no way "prejudice" against welfare recipients.


Oh, but you disagree with Dragoness' position.

Therefore, apparently, you are prejudiced.

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Except she realized my point of view and has considered it and has learned something new in the process.

So she wasn't intentionally being prejudiced

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Tue 11/01/11 04:55 PM





The welfare system needs to be severely overhauled. There is a difference between those who cannot help themselves and those who will not help themselves. Those who cannot help themselves are bed ridden or through no fault of their own confined to a wheel chair, need a machine to help them communicate and these people I have no heartburn helping. People who will not help themselves feel entitled to money, food on the table and a roof over their head because they have babies to feed. A lot of people have babies to feed and they still work, most welfare recipients like my neighbor are leeches. Because you have kids does not mean you should be supported, quit having kids and take care of yourself. People who support the idea of welfare without drug testing are idiots...including the activist judge who has a perverted view of justice.


The entitlement attitude is an illness in its own right.




Entitlement is actually a criminal mentality that leads to criminal acts.

It has absolutely nothing to do with welfare and being poor.


entitlement is one of those words that has been given a bad rap

we actually ARE entitled to many things,,such as certain rights, and certain reciprocation on investments,,,

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Tue 11/01/11 04:55 PM
It is a sick mentality to demonize the poor.

So laws like this show how sick our society can be.

Especially when they are ignorant of how welfare works and then make judgements of the people on it from their ignorance.

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Tue 11/01/11 04:56 PM
Maybe they should just random drug test everyone at the governments expense.

What about forcing people to vaccinate their children?

Did you get your flu shot this year?

I didn't. I never get flu shots. I never get the flu either.

But they are sure pushing those flu shots this year.


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Tue 11/01/11 04:56 PM


It completely doesn't matter whether or not welfare users are more or less likely to do drugs, precisely because we are not making prejudiced assumptions in our reasoning.



Then there is no need to drug test for welfare, it will save lots of money and not make a whole lot of people perpetrators of discrimination.:banana:

I am so glad you worked that out on your own.


You aren't following the discussion are you? yawn

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Tue 11/01/11 04:57 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 11/01/11 04:58 PM

It is a sick mentality to demonize the poor.

So laws like this show how sick our society can be.

Especially when they are ignorant of how welfare works and then make judgements of the people on it from their ignorance.


No body is "demonizing" the poor. Where do you get that?

If the Poor aren't doing drugs, peeing in a cup should not bother them at all.

If I wanted to apply for assistance (and I do qualify) I would not mind peeing in a cup for a drug test.

Anytime.

I don't do drugs.


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Tue 11/01/11 04:57 PM




You are probably right that people wacked out on drugs can't fill out the papers anyway.




In california, being 'whacked out on drugs' is part of some peoples' strategy for qualifying for the so-called 'crazy check'.


Except it doesn't work.

Shows that they don't know how to do it properly.



You are so fond of these sweeping dismissals.

It absolutely does work - sometimes.

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Tue 11/01/11 04:59 PM






The welfare system needs to be severely overhauled. There is a difference between those who cannot help themselves and those who will not help themselves. Those who cannot help themselves are bed ridden or through no fault of their own confined to a wheel chair, need a machine to help them communicate and these people I have no heartburn helping. People who will not help themselves feel entitled to money, food on the table and a roof over their head because they have babies to feed. A lot of people have babies to feed and they still work, most welfare recipients like my neighbor are leeches. Because you have kids does not mean you should be supported, quit having kids and take care of yourself. People who support the idea of welfare without drug testing are idiots...including the activist judge who has a perverted view of justice.


The entitlement attitude is an illness in its own right.




Entitlement is actually a criminal mentality that leads to criminal acts.

It has absolutely nothing to do with welfare and being poor.


entitlement is one of those words that has been given a bad rap

we actually ARE entitled to many things,,such as certain rights, and certain reciprocation on investments,,,


But this entitlement is not rights that they are implying.

Entitlement is a criminal behavior that is used to justify their criminal activity and some right winger got it wrong as to what it was and has ran rapid with it. Trying to demonize welfare recipients. Purpose I guess being that if people blame an entity unable to defend itself then the real wrong doers get cart blanc.


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Tue 11/01/11 05:00 PM

The major reason that drug abuse is so hard to stop in this country is because of our personal freedoms.

We have the right to kill ourselves if we so want to. Bad drugs, bad food, bad cigs, bad alcohol, parachuting, race car driving, etc...

Just because a person happens to be poor does not make them more likely to kill themselves in one of these manners, believe it or not.

But if we can start limiting them from doing it then we need to be able to limit all from doing it.

So I will agree that if welfare recipients who have given no signs of being a druggie have to submit to drug testing then so should everyone. Maybe we should do it weekly just to be sure and tell your boss you don't know when you will have to go but that it is requirement to live here in these United States. Of course, he should know already because his color is blue.

Usually when a person applies for welfare they have exhausted all other means to supporting themselves. So in a way it is mandatory for their families survival.

It is a sad state that we have to then accuse them of being a drug user on top of their plight.

Believe you me when I worked for the department, druggies couldn't keep up with what we required of them and they usually lost their kids so they weren't on welfare for very long if at all most couldn't do what we required them to do before they got their first check.



It has nothing to do with being more likely to do anything. It has to do with not giving them money to feed the habit if they are doing it. Lets see... pee in a cup and get free money or don't pee in a cup and don't get free money. Is it a hard choice? Nope.

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Tue 11/01/11 05:01 PM





You are probably right that people wacked out on drugs can't fill out the papers anyway.




In california, being 'whacked out on drugs' is part of some peoples' strategy for qualifying for the so-called 'crazy check'.


Except it doesn't work.

Shows that they don't know how to do it properly.



You are so fond of these sweeping dismissals.

It absolutely does work - sometimes.


It absolutely doesn't work anymore.

There was a time when it was a qualification for disability.

Also if you had ever had to go through the application process, you would know that it doesn't go like that.

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Tue 11/01/11 05:02 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 11/01/11 05:03 PM


The major reason that drug abuse is so hard to stop in this country is because of our personal freedoms.

We have the right to kill ourselves if we so want to. Bad drugs, bad food, bad cigs, bad alcohol, parachuting, race car driving, etc...

Just because a person happens to be poor does not make them more likely to kill themselves in one of these manners, believe it or not.

But if we can start limiting them from doing it then we need to be able to limit all from doing it.

So I will agree that if welfare recipients who have given no signs of being a druggie have to submit to drug testing then so should everyone. Maybe we should do it weekly just to be sure and tell your boss you don't know when you will have to go but that it is requirement to live here in these United States. Of course, he should know already because his color is blue.

Usually when a person applies for welfare they have exhausted all other means to supporting themselves. So in a way it is mandatory for their families survival.

It is a sad state that we have to then accuse them of being a drug user on top of their plight.

Believe you me when I worked for the department, druggies couldn't keep up with what we required of them and they usually lost their kids so they weren't on welfare for very long if at all most couldn't do what we required them to do before they got their first check.



It has nothing to do with being more likely to do anything. It has to do with not giving them money to feed the habit if they are doing it. Lets see... pee in a cup and get free money or don't pee in a cup and don't get free money. Is it a hard choice? Nope.



Right. drinker <------here's my pee.laugh laugh (not the cup I am drinking, the other one.bigsmile





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