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entitlement is one of those words that has been given a bad rap we actually ARE entitled to many things,,such as certain rights, and certain reciprocation on investments,,, MsHarmony, you are absolutely correct. I completely agree with you. I feel absolutely entitled to walk down the street and not have police just randomly detain me and question me without legitimate cause. I feel entitled to be able to share my opinion. I feel entitled to access all kinds of information, from scientific research to demographics data to various facts about publicly traded companies - the list goes on. I feel entitled to communicate with other people in privacy. We should all feel entitled to these things, and defend our rights to them. Most of the time when people use entitled in a pejorative sense, I think its understood that what we really mean is: "entitled to goods and services that cost money, without paying for it". Or, in this case, entitled to money itself. |
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The major reason that drug abuse is so hard to stop in this country is because of our personal freedoms. We have the right to kill ourselves if we so want to. Bad drugs, bad food, bad cigs, bad alcohol, parachuting, race car driving, etc... Just because a person happens to be poor does not make them more likely to kill themselves in one of these manners, believe it or not. But if we can start limiting them from doing it then we need to be able to limit all from doing it. So I will agree that if welfare recipients who have given no signs of being a druggie have to submit to drug testing then so should everyone. Maybe we should do it weekly just to be sure and tell your boss you don't know when you will have to go but that it is requirement to live here in these United States. Of course, he should know already because his color is blue. Usually when a person applies for welfare they have exhausted all other means to supporting themselves. So in a way it is mandatory for their families survival. It is a sad state that we have to then accuse them of being a drug user on top of their plight. Believe you me when I worked for the department, druggies couldn't keep up with what we required of them and they usually lost their kids so they weren't on welfare for very long if at all most couldn't do what we required them to do before they got their first check. It has nothing to do with being more likely to do anything. It has to do with not giving them money to feed the habit if they are doing it. Lets see... pee in a cup and get free money or don't pee in a cup and don't get free money. Is it a hard choice? Nope. Not hard for you since you are not being subject to an illegal search of your body fluids based on no good evidence that you should be searched at all. But it is wrong for them no matter what the result of doing would be. And it isn't free money, they have to work for it. |
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Like my picture states, the ultimate result of some rhetoric is to end up blaming the poor. If you can stop people from feeling empathy towards the poor then you can victimize them however you can talk folks into doing. Sad state of affairs really. How is asking them to pee in a cup not feeling empathy? We are giving them free money. The only people that have a problem being tested for drugs are people who use drugs. |
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entitlement is one of those words that has been given a bad rap we actually ARE entitled to many things,,such as certain rights, and certain reciprocation on investments,,, MsHarmony, you are absolutely correct. I completely agree with you. I feel absolutely entitled to walk down the street and not have police just randomly detain me and question me without legitimate cause. I feel entitled to be able to share my opinion. I feel entitled to access all kinds of information, from scientific research to demographics data to various facts about publicly traded companies - the list goes on. I feel entitled to communicate with other people in privacy. We should all feel entitled to these things, and defend our rights to them. Most of the time when people use entitled in a pejorative sense, I think its understood that what we really mean is: "entitled to goods and services that cost money, without paying for it". Or, in this case, entitled to money itself. Except in this case it isn't even a legitimate belief system at work. It is a falsely administered ideal from a right wing hate idealogy to make people hate the poor. It works well for the weak minded. |
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The major reason that drug abuse is so hard to stop in this country is because of our personal freedoms. We have the right to kill ourselves if we so want to. Bad drugs, bad food, bad cigs, bad alcohol, parachuting, race car driving, etc... Just because a person happens to be poor does not make them more likely to kill themselves in one of these manners, believe it or not. But if we can start limiting them from doing it then we need to be able to limit all from doing it. So I will agree that if welfare recipients who have given no signs of being a druggie have to submit to drug testing then so should everyone. Maybe we should do it weekly just to be sure and tell your boss you don't know when you will have to go but that it is requirement to live here in these United States. Of course, he should know already because his color is blue. Usually when a person applies for welfare they have exhausted all other means to supporting themselves. So in a way it is mandatory for their families survival. It is a sad state that we have to then accuse them of being a drug user on top of their plight. Believe you me when I worked for the department, druggies couldn't keep up with what we required of them and they usually lost their kids so they weren't on welfare for very long if at all most couldn't do what we required them to do before they got their first check. It has nothing to do with being more likely to do anything. It has to do with not giving them money to feed the habit if they are doing it. Lets see... pee in a cup and get free money or don't pee in a cup and don't get free money. Is it a hard choice? Nope. Not hard for you since you are not being subject to an illegal search of your body fluids based on no good evidence that you should be searched at all. But it is wrong for them no matter what the result of doing would be. And it isn't free money, they have to work for it. Its not an illegal search. I have applied for jobs that require a drug test. I did the drug test. I got the job. Its that simple. If I didn't want to do the drug test I could say no. They have the same option. No one is being forced to do anything. It is merely a stipulation. Try again. |
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The major reason that drug abuse is so hard to stop in this country is because of our personal freedoms. We have the right to kill ourselves if we so want to. Bad drugs, bad food, bad cigs, bad alcohol, parachuting, race car driving, etc... Just because a person happens to be poor does not make them more likely to kill themselves in one of these manners, believe it or not. But if we can start limiting them from doing it then we need to be able to limit all from doing it. So I will agree that if welfare recipients who have given no signs of being a druggie have to submit to drug testing then so should everyone. Maybe we should do it weekly just to be sure and tell your boss you don't know when you will have to go but that it is requirement to live here in these United States. Of course, he should know already because his color is blue. Usually when a person applies for welfare they have exhausted all other means to supporting themselves. So in a way it is mandatory for their families survival. It is a sad state that we have to then accuse them of being a drug user on top of their plight. Believe you me when I worked for the department, druggies couldn't keep up with what we required of them and they usually lost their kids so they weren't on welfare for very long if at all most couldn't do what we required them to do before they got their first check. It has nothing to do with being more likely to do anything. It has to do with not giving them money to feed the habit if they are doing it. Lets see... pee in a cup and get free money or don't pee in a cup and don't get free money. Is it a hard choice? Nope. Right.  <------here's my pee. (not the cup I am drinking, the other one.  What's in the other Cup? |
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The major reason that drug abuse is so hard to stop in this country is because of our personal freedoms. We have the right to kill ourselves if we so want to. Bad drugs, bad food, bad cigs, bad alcohol, parachuting, race car driving, etc... Just because a person happens to be poor does not make them more likely to kill themselves in one of these manners, believe it or not. But if we can start limiting them from doing it then we need to be able to limit all from doing it. So I will agree that if welfare recipients who have given no signs of being a druggie have to submit to drug testing then so should everyone. Maybe we should do it weekly just to be sure and tell your boss you don't know when you will have to go but that it is requirement to live here in these United States. Of course, he should know already because his color is blue. Usually when a person applies for welfare they have exhausted all other means to supporting themselves. So in a way it is mandatory for their families survival. It is a sad state that we have to then accuse them of being a drug user on top of their plight. Believe you me when I worked for the department, druggies couldn't keep up with what we required of them and they usually lost their kids so they weren't on welfare for very long if at all most couldn't do what we required them to do before they got their first check. It has nothing to do with being more likely to do anything. It has to do with not giving them money to feed the habit if they are doing it. Lets see... pee in a cup and get free money or don't pee in a cup and don't get free money. Is it a hard choice? Nope. Not hard for you since you are not being subject to an illegal search of your body fluids based on no good evidence that you should be searched at all. But it is wrong for them no matter what the result of doing would be. And it isn't free money, they have to work for it. Not doing drugs, and/and peeing in a cup as a requirement to qualify for money and assistance is not an illegal search of your body. It is voluntary. Unless you want to be self employed, any employer has a right to hire drug free people. |
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The major reason that drug abuse is so hard to stop in this country is because of our personal freedoms. We have the right to kill ourselves if we so want to. Bad drugs, bad food, bad cigs, bad alcohol, parachuting, race car driving, etc... Just because a person happens to be poor does not make them more likely to kill themselves in one of these manners, believe it or not. But if we can start limiting them from doing it then we need to be able to limit all from doing it. So I will agree that if welfare recipients who have given no signs of being a druggie have to submit to drug testing then so should everyone. Maybe we should do it weekly just to be sure and tell your boss you don't know when you will have to go but that it is requirement to live here in these United States. Of course, he should know already because his color is blue. Usually when a person applies for welfare they have exhausted all other means to supporting themselves. So in a way it is mandatory for their families survival. It is a sad state that we have to then accuse them of being a drug user on top of their plight. Believe you me when I worked for the department, druggies couldn't keep up with what we required of them and they usually lost their kids so they weren't on welfare for very long if at all most couldn't do what we required them to do before they got their first check. It has nothing to do with being more likely to do anything. It has to do with not giving them money to feed the habit if they are doing it. Lets see... pee in a cup and get free money or don't pee in a cup and don't get free money. Is it a hard choice? Nope. Right. <------here's my pee. (not the cup I am drinking, the other one. What's in the other Cup? Coffee! |
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Like my picture states, the ultimate result of some rhetoric is to end up blaming the poor. If you can stop people from feeling empathy towards the poor then you can victimize them however you can talk folks into doing. Sad state of affairs really. How is asking them to pee in a cup not feeling empathy? We are giving them free money. The only people that have a problem being tested for drugs are people who use drugs. They are not being asked to pee in a cup, they are being coerced into denying their own rights by the threat of their children not being housed or fed. That isn't true, ain't no one drug testing me and I am the straightest person I know but my pee is my own. |
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There was a time when it was a qualification for disability. You are talking about official, out in the open qualification. I'm talking about people that lie about their drug us. Its a 'thing' in california. It was well known in the homeless community in west LA that if you did certain drugs you could increase your chance at the 'crazy check'. I'm sure it didn't work for everyone, but I knew people who were successful at it. Also if you had ever had to go through the application process, you would know that it doesn't go like that. I don't need to go through the process myself when my fellow activists, my friends, and my housemates tell me about it. If you hung out with criminals more - outside of the office, where they are prepared to lie to you - you would know how much the welfare system is being scammed. |
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Like my picture states, the ultimate result of some rhetoric is to end up blaming the poor. If you can stop people from feeling empathy towards the poor then you can victimize them however you can talk folks into doing. Sad state of affairs really. How is asking them to pee in a cup not feeling empathy? We are giving them free money. The only people that have a problem being tested for drugs are people who use drugs. They are not being asked to pee in a cup, they are being coerced into denying their own rights by the threat of their children not being housed or fed. That isn't true, ain't no one drug testing me and I am the straightest person I know but my pee is my own. Nope wrong again. You don't have a right to free money. I am pretty sure nowhere in our constitution does it say the government has to give you money if you are poor and cant support yourself and while you are poor and can't support yourself you decide to have kids who you also can't support. (which if you can't social services will take away so that doesn't even count.) Try again. |
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The major reason that drug abuse is so hard to stop in this country is because of our personal freedoms. We have the right to kill ourselves if we so want to. Bad drugs, bad food, bad cigs, bad alcohol, parachuting, race car driving, etc... Just because a person happens to be poor does not make them more likely to kill themselves in one of these manners, believe it or not. But if we can start limiting them from doing it then we need to be able to limit all from doing it. So I will agree that if welfare recipients who have given no signs of being a druggie have to submit to drug testing then so should everyone. Maybe we should do it weekly just to be sure and tell your boss you don't know when you will have to go but that it is requirement to live here in these United States. Of course, he should know already because his color is blue. Usually when a person applies for welfare they have exhausted all other means to supporting themselves. So in a way it is mandatory for their families survival. It is a sad state that we have to then accuse them of being a drug user on top of their plight. Believe you me when I worked for the department, druggies couldn't keep up with what we required of them and they usually lost their kids so they weren't on welfare for very long if at all most couldn't do what we required them to do before they got their first check. It has nothing to do with being more likely to do anything. It has to do with not giving them money to feed the habit if they are doing it. Lets see... pee in a cup and get free money or don't pee in a cup and don't get free money. Is it a hard choice? Nope. Not hard for you since you are not being subject to an illegal search of your body fluids based on no good evidence that you should be searched at all. But it is wrong for them no matter what the result of doing would be. And it isn't free money, they have to work for it. Not doing drugs, and/and peeing in a cup as a requirement to qualify for money and assistance is not an illegal search of your body. It is voluntary. Unless you want to be self employed, any employer has a right to hire drug free people. it is not voluntary it is coercionary. The threat of not being housed and fed is the coercion. Pee is my a part of my body that shouldn't be searched without a reason. |
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How is asking them to pee in a cup not feeling empathy? We are giving them free money. The only people that have a problem being tested for drugs are people who use drugs. Seriously! You are just being accused of lacking empathy because its a convenient rhetorical technique. Demonize those that disagree with you. Accuse them of demonizing others. |
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The major reason that drug abuse is so hard to stop in this country is because of our personal freedoms. We have the right to kill ourselves if we so want to. Bad drugs, bad food, bad cigs, bad alcohol, parachuting, race car driving, etc... Just because a person happens to be poor does not make them more likely to kill themselves in one of these manners, believe it or not. But if we can start limiting them from doing it then we need to be able to limit all from doing it. So I will agree that if welfare recipients who have given no signs of being a druggie have to submit to drug testing then so should everyone. Maybe we should do it weekly just to be sure and tell your boss you don't know when you will have to go but that it is requirement to live here in these United States. Of course, he should know already because his color is blue. Usually when a person applies for welfare they have exhausted all other means to supporting themselves. So in a way it is mandatory for their families survival. It is a sad state that we have to then accuse them of being a drug user on top of their plight. Believe you me when I worked for the department, druggies couldn't keep up with what we required of them and they usually lost their kids so they weren't on welfare for very long if at all most couldn't do what we required them to do before they got their first check. It has nothing to do with being more likely to do anything. It has to do with not giving them money to feed the habit if they are doing it. Lets see... pee in a cup and get free money or don't pee in a cup and don't get free money. Is it a hard choice? Nope. Not hard for you since you are not being subject to an illegal search of your body fluids based on no good evidence that you should be searched at all. But it is wrong for them no matter what the result of doing would be. And it isn't free money, they have to work for it. Its not an illegal search. I have applied for jobs that require a drug test. I did the drug test. I got the job. Its that simple. If I didn't want to do the drug test I could say no. They have the same option. No one is being forced to do anything. It is merely a stipulation. Try again. Since we are speaking of people in desperate need, it is not voluntary anyway. These people are being told to give up their right to search their body because they are poor. |
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The major reason that drug abuse is so hard to stop in this country is because of our personal freedoms. We have the right to kill ourselves if we so want to. Bad drugs, bad food, bad cigs, bad alcohol, parachuting, race car driving, etc... Just because a person happens to be poor does not make them more likely to kill themselves in one of these manners, believe it or not. But if we can start limiting them from doing it then we need to be able to limit all from doing it. So I will agree that if welfare recipients who have given no signs of being a druggie have to submit to drug testing then so should everyone. Maybe we should do it weekly just to be sure and tell your boss you don't know when you will have to go but that it is requirement to live here in these United States. Of course, he should know already because his color is blue. Usually when a person applies for welfare they have exhausted all other means to supporting themselves. So in a way it is mandatory for their families survival. It is a sad state that we have to then accuse them of being a drug user on top of their plight. Believe you me when I worked for the department, druggies couldn't keep up with what we required of them and they usually lost their kids so they weren't on welfare for very long if at all most couldn't do what we required them to do before they got their first check. It has nothing to do with being more likely to do anything. It has to do with not giving them money to feed the habit if they are doing it. Lets see... pee in a cup and get free money or don't pee in a cup and don't get free money. Is it a hard choice? Nope. Right. <------here's my pee. (not the cup I am drinking, the other one. What's in the other Cup? Coffee! Right. <------here's my pee. Are you sure |
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Like my picture states, the ultimate result of some rhetoric is to end up blaming the poor. If you can stop people from feeling empathy towards the poor then you can victimize them however you can talk folks into doing. Sad state of affairs really. How is asking them to pee in a cup not feeling empathy? We are giving them free money. The only people that have a problem being tested for drugs are people who use drugs. They are not being asked to pee in a cup, they are being coerced into denying their own rights by the threat of their children not being housed or fed. That isn't true, ain't no one drug testing me and I am the straightest person I know but my pee is my own. If you are free of drugs, I don't know why you are so against peeing in a cup to verify that. (Do it for your children so they can be housed and fed.) Most people who object are probably doing it because they have something to hide. |
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The major reason that drug abuse is so hard to stop in this country is because of our personal freedoms. We have the right to kill ourselves if we so want to. Bad drugs, bad food, bad cigs, bad alcohol, parachuting, race car driving, etc... Just because a person happens to be poor does not make them more likely to kill themselves in one of these manners, believe it or not. But if we can start limiting them from doing it then we need to be able to limit all from doing it. So I will agree that if welfare recipients who have given no signs of being a druggie have to submit to drug testing then so should everyone. Maybe we should do it weekly just to be sure and tell your boss you don't know when you will have to go but that it is requirement to live here in these United States. Of course, he should know already because his color is blue. Usually when a person applies for welfare they have exhausted all other means to supporting themselves. So in a way it is mandatory for their families survival. It is a sad state that we have to then accuse them of being a drug user on top of their plight. Believe you me when I worked for the department, druggies couldn't keep up with what we required of them and they usually lost their kids so they weren't on welfare for very long if at all most couldn't do what we required them to do before they got their first check. It has nothing to do with being more likely to do anything. It has to do with not giving them money to feed the habit if they are doing it. Lets see... pee in a cup and get free money or don't pee in a cup and don't get free money. Is it a hard choice? Nope. Right. <------here's my pee. (not the cup I am drinking, the other one. What's in the other Cup? Coffee! Right. <------here's my pee. Are you sure Either way, it tastes great.  ---
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The major reason that drug abuse is so hard to stop in this country is because of our personal freedoms. We have the right to kill ourselves if we so want to. Bad drugs, bad food, bad cigs, bad alcohol, parachuting, race car driving, etc... Just because a person happens to be poor does not make them more likely to kill themselves in one of these manners, believe it or not. But if we can start limiting them from doing it then we need to be able to limit all from doing it. So I will agree that if welfare recipients who have given no signs of being a druggie have to submit to drug testing then so should everyone. Maybe we should do it weekly just to be sure and tell your boss you don't know when you will have to go but that it is requirement to live here in these United States. Of course, he should know already because his color is blue. Usually when a person applies for welfare they have exhausted all other means to supporting themselves. So in a way it is mandatory for their families survival. It is a sad state that we have to then accuse them of being a drug user on top of their plight. Believe you me when I worked for the department, druggies couldn't keep up with what we required of them and they usually lost their kids so they weren't on welfare for very long if at all most couldn't do what we required them to do before they got their first check. It has nothing to do with being more likely to do anything. It has to do with not giving them money to feed the habit if they are doing it. Lets see... pee in a cup and get free money or don't pee in a cup and don't get free money. Is it a hard choice? Nope. Not hard for you since you are not being subject to an illegal search of your body fluids based on no good evidence that you should be searched at all. But it is wrong for them no matter what the result of doing would be. And it isn't free money, they have to work for it. Its not an illegal search. I have applied for jobs that require a drug test. I did the drug test. I got the job. Its that simple. If I didn't want to do the drug test I could say no. They have the same option. No one is being forced to do anything. It is merely a stipulation. Try again. Since we are speaking of people in desperate need, it is not voluntary anyway. These people are being told to give up their right to search their body because they are poor. That is BS. That's like saying they are giving up their right to stay anonymous because they have to fill out a form. The government is not responsible for housing and feeding its people. Its called personal responsibility. Now if the government (or anyone) wants to offer free aid they can give any stipulation they want. If I tell a homeless guy I would give him $100 to streak through the park I am not taking away his right to wear clothes. (extreme example but still). I have to xray all my crap and go through full body scanners when I PAY to fly but you can't pee in a cup for free money? Get over yourself. |
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The major reason that drug abuse is so hard to stop in this country is because of our personal freedoms. We have the right to kill ourselves if we so want to. Bad drugs, bad food, bad cigs, bad alcohol, parachuting, race car driving, etc... Just because a person happens to be poor does not make them more likely to kill themselves in one of these manners, believe it or not. But if we can start limiting them from doing it then we need to be able to limit all from doing it. So I will agree that if welfare recipients who have given no signs of being a druggie have to submit to drug testing then so should everyone. Maybe we should do it weekly just to be sure and tell your boss you don't know when you will have to go but that it is requirement to live here in these United States. Of course, he should know already because his color is blue. Usually when a person applies for welfare they have exhausted all other means to supporting themselves. So in a way it is mandatory for their families survival. It is a sad state that we have to then accuse them of being a drug user on top of their plight. Believe you me when I worked for the department, druggies couldn't keep up with what we required of them and they usually lost their kids so they weren't on welfare for very long if at all most couldn't do what we required them to do before they got their first check. It has nothing to do with being more likely to do anything. It has to do with not giving them money to feed the habit if they are doing it. Lets see... pee in a cup and get free money or don't pee in a cup and don't get free money. Is it a hard choice? Nope. Right. <------here's my pee. (not the cup I am drinking, the other one. What's in the other Cup? Coffee! Right. <------here's my pee. Are you sure Either way, it tastes great. --- I think it was this lady that said it does wonders for ones complexion [urlhttp://www.nbc.com/Passions/bios/images/actors/juliet_mills.jpg |
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There was a time when it was a qualification for disability. You are talking about official, out in the open qualification. I'm talking about people that lie about their drug us. Its a 'thing' in california. It was well known in the homeless community in west LA that if you did certain drugs you could increase your chance at the 'crazy check'. I'm sure it didn't work for everyone, but I knew people who were successful at it. Also if you had ever had to go through the application process, you would know that it doesn't go like that. I don't need to go through the process myself when my fellow activists, my friends, and my housemates tell me about it. If you hung out with criminals more - outside of the office, where they are prepared to lie to you - you would know how much the welfare system is being scammed. Having been a welfare recipient myself and having lived in very poor neighborhoods most of my life known my share of criminals and having worked for the welfare department for many years until I got sick and had to apply for disability which makes me kinda an expert at all levels, makes your expertise, sad to say the least. All of which doesn't change the fact that poor people are being coerced to give up their search and seizure rights with the threat of starving their children or pee in a cup. Only those who have never had to deal with that in life would consider a crazy idea like this one as humane and civil. I know when I am talking to those who have never been there. I also know when I am talking to those who are speaking out of the side of their neck so to speak, hint hint. |
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