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Edited by
msharmony
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I did not know that welfare or medicaid was a loan that had to be paid back. Or was that connected to child support laws? its not a loan, its a trade we pay taxes in TRADE for certain assurances, for now, basic needs, is one of them we put money in a bank, and its doubtful the money we get out is actually the money we put in,, because that money has been given to someone else its kind of how investment works,,, |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 11/01/11 09:59 PM
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If I am prejudice against anything it is illegal drugs and drug addicts and drug pushers.
Going after the Big Drug Lords and the Drug cartels is not the way to solve the drug problem because there will always be another one to take his place as long as there is a demand for illegal drugs. Putting addicts in prison is also not the solution. Some of these addicts will be our children. Making it difficult to live your life on drugs (functioning or not) might discourage users and decrease the demand. People will decide that drugs are not worth the trouble... maybe. Why is America the biggest drug using country in the world? Because its so easy. |
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I did not know that welfare or medicaid was a loan that had to be paid back. Or was that connected to child support laws? its not a loan, its a trade we pay taxes in TRADE for certain assurances, for now, basic needs, is one of them we put money in a bank, and its doubtful the money we get out is actually the money we put in,, because that money has been given to someone else its kind of how investment works,,, She was talking about her father paying it all back... |
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I did not know that welfare or medicaid was a loan that had to be paid back. Or was that connected to child support laws? its not a loan, its a trade we pay taxes in TRADE for certain assurances, for now, basic needs, is one of them we put money in a bank, and its doubtful the money we get out is actually the money we put in,, because that money has been given to someone else its kind of how investment works,,, She was talking about her father paying it all back... technically, you do put it back into the system,, so it could be considered paying it back,, |
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This is a little off topic but to address a portion of the thread. while it is not a loan exactly as the receiver generally does not have to pay it back directly, it is certainly true all or a portion of the aid you receive is subject to repayment from a portion of, if not all, future support payments you receive from the non custodial parent. For instance, it has been about 16 years, since I spent a little time on the dole, I did not have to pee in a cup but I did have to sign papers to agree to repayment of sorts...and still to this day..just about every bit of child support they manage to get from the ex. from income tax returns, wage garnishments etc is taken to pay back the aide, even though he owed me 10s of thousands of dollars prior to me falling ill and needing aide for a period of time...but in their mind the debt to the state comes first. So, yea it is like I am paying it back because I do not receive the bulk of the child support payments.
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Edited by
Chazster
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Tue 11/01/11 11:47 PM
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If taxes are voluntary then why is Wesley Snipes in Jail? And that is your opinion. Nowhere does it state the government is responsible to pay for anything for people. Feel free to show in the Constitution where it says they have to pay for poor people if you feel it says that. Taxes are voluntary, jail is the consequence for not paying but they can't make you pay regardless. The constitution is not the only law so it doesn't matter that it isn't in there. Taking care of the poor is all nations responsibility but especially in a capitalist nation. Since the object is to create as many poor as possible on your way to the top. But coercing the poor to give up their search and seizure rights should be something people should be ashamed of. Wesly Snipes was convicted for Income tax evasion. That is more like lying about how much you made than failure to pay it. Income taxes are voluntary. Not many people know that. If you are honest about what you make and file an honest tax return, but you just don't pay the taxes, they can't put you in jail. They can take your property and the money out of your bank though. They are supposed to have a court order first, but that seems to be easy for them. Payment of taxes or non payment of them is a civil matter, not a criminal offense. Lying about them and filing a false return is a criminal offense. That is what they got Wesley Snipes on. Its like purgery. that is not what the tax law says. Any person required under this title to pay any estimated tax or tax, or required by this title or by regulations made under authority thereof to make a return, keep any records, or supply any information, who willfully fails to pay such estimated tax or tax, make such return, keep such records, or supply such information, at the time or times required by law or regulations, shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $25,000 ($100,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution. In the case of any person with respect to whom there is a failure to pay any estimated tax, this section shall not apply to such person with respect to such failure if there is no addition to tax under section 6654 or 6655 with respect to such failure. In the case of a willful violation of any provision of section 6050I, the first sentence of this section shall be applied by substituting “felony” for “misdemeanor” and “5 years” for “1 year”. Maybe that used to be true but this law was passed in 2010. Title 26 > Subtitle F > Chapter 75 > Subchapter A > Part I > Section 7203 § 7203. Willful failure to file return, supply information, or pay tax Title 26 of the US Code as currently published by the US Government reflects the laws passed by Congress as of Feb.1, 2010, and it is this version that is published here. |
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I did not know that welfare or medicaid was a loan that had to be paid back. Or was that connected to child support laws? its not a loan, its a trade we pay taxes in TRADE for certain assurances, for now, basic needs, is one of them we put money in a bank, and its doubtful the money we get out is actually the money we put in,, because that money has been given to someone else its kind of how investment works,,, I wouldn't even say that. The people that are receiving welfare are usually people who are not paying taxes. The people that are paying taxes are usually not the people collecting welfare. Now I would agree if you were talking medicare or SS. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 11/01/11 11:57 PM
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I did not know that welfare or medicaid was a loan that had to be paid back. Or was that connected to child support laws? its not a loan, its a trade we pay taxes in TRADE for certain assurances, for now, basic needs, is one of them we put money in a bank, and its doubtful the money we get out is actually the money we put in,, because that money has been given to someone else its kind of how investment works,,, I wouldn't even say that. The people that are receiving welfare are usually people who are not paying taxes. The people that are paying taxes are usually not the people collecting welfare. Now I would agree if you were talking medicare or SS. the people who receive welfare dont pay taxes WHILE ON WELFARE, but they do pay taxes over the course of a lifetime (minus three to five years they are able to receive financial assistance), which, at some point, others on welfare will benefit from,, until they pay taxes again at which time others on welfare will benefit,, and on and on it is a COMMUNITY investment that is there for all members of the COMMUNITY at random times of personal need |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 11/02/11 02:22 AM
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If taxes are voluntary then why is Wesley Snipes in Jail? And that is your opinion. Nowhere does it state the government is responsible to pay for anything for people. Feel free to show in the Constitution where it says they have to pay for poor people if you feel it says that. Taxes are voluntary, jail is the consequence for not paying but they can't make you pay regardless. The constitution is not the only law so it doesn't matter that it isn't in there. Taking care of the poor is all nations responsibility but especially in a capitalist nation. Since the object is to create as many poor as possible on your way to the top. But coercing the poor to give up their search and seizure rights should be something people should be ashamed of. Wesly Snipes was convicted for Income tax evasion. That is more like lying about how much you made than failure to pay it. Income taxes are voluntary. Not many people know that. If you are honest about what you make and file an honest tax return, but you just don't pay the taxes, they can't put you in jail. They can take your property and the money out of your bank though. They are supposed to have a court order first, but that seems to be easy for them. Payment of taxes or non payment of them is a civil matter, not a criminal offense. Lying about them and filing a false return is a criminal offense. That is what they got Wesley Snipes on. Its like purgery. that is not what the tax law says. Any person required under this title to pay any estimated tax or tax, or required by this title or by regulations made under authority thereof to make a return, keep any records, or supply any information, who willfully fails to pay such estimated tax or tax, make such return, keep such records, or supply such information, at the time or times required by law or regulations, shall, in addition to other penalties provided by law, be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be fined not more than $25,000 ($100,000 in the case of a corporation), or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both, together with the costs of prosecution. In the case of any person with respect to whom there is a failure to pay any estimated tax, this section shall not apply to such person with respect to such failure if there is no addition to tax under section 6654 or 6655 with respect to such failure. In the case of a willful violation of any provision of section 6050I, the first sentence of this section shall be applied by substituting “felony” for “misdemeanor” and “5 years” for “1 year”. Maybe that used to be true but this law was passed in 2010. Title 26 > Subtitle F > Chapter 75 > Subchapter A > Part I > Section 7203 § 7203. Willful failure to file return, supply information, or pay tax Title 26 of the US Code as currently published by the US Government reflects the laws passed by Congress as of Feb.1, 2010, and it is this version that is published here. Maybe that used to be true but this law was passed in 2010. <--- I did some reading of the above tax law and it falls under general provisions and penalties applicable to certain taxes, but I don't think it applies to Income tax. I believe it refers to collecting and paying certain business taxes. |
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My kids father paid every dime I got in welfare and medicaid back to the state here. So there is no debt owed here. And that is the case for a lot of cases. And then I worked for many years and payed lots of taxes as I made quite a bit of money a month and I gladly paid. And then I got sick and have had to cash in on the social security disability. I still gladly pay my taxes. I hope they help all those welfare moms out there who are struggling. You shoudlnt have been looking at it for one as it violates confidentiality to look at cases involving family or children and they did not make him pay every penny you used in medicaid......it isnt possible that he paid for every test medicine doctor visit broken arm etc. They made him pay what they charged him not actual cost. He paid every penny of what the government charged. the only way you could say he paid every penny would be to see the documentation of what they paid in comparison to what they charged him. Actually, he didn't pay every dime back but only a percentage of what you recieved. They do take monies toward welfare recieved,but not towards medicaid nor food benefits. They do not place the whole burden upon the father, but only a percentage and based on income just as the CS itself remains based on income. Now what they do, do for welfare is they keep the CS check itself and issue a welfare check should you receive welfare. At the point CS starts to be received by the custodial parent, most custodial parents choose the CS over the welfare mainly in most cases the CS ends up being more than the welfare check itself except for in the cases where the welfare remains more than the CS check that was based in the absent parent income. Wrong. He paid back every dime and all the medicaid. I saw the papers and the amount he had to pay back and it was not just a part of it. They even made him pay half of the in house counseling my son had to do while I was working for the welfare department which was a big break for me since they took it right out of my check each month. |
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I forgot about that. Just like they go after absent fathers for child support, they do also go after them for repayment of welfare.
Im not sure of their success rate though. |
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I did not know that welfare or medicaid was a loan that had to be paid back. Or was that connected to child support laws? its not a loan, its a trade we pay taxes in TRADE for certain assurances, for now, basic needs, is one of them we put money in a bank, and its doubtful the money we get out is actually the money we put in,, because that money has been given to someone else its kind of how investment works,,, I wouldn't even say that. The people that are receiving welfare are usually people who are not paying taxes. The people that are paying taxes are usually not the people collecting welfare. Now I would agree if you were talking medicare or SS. the people who receive welfare dont pay taxes WHILE ON WELFARE, but they do pay taxes over the course of a lifetime (minus three to five years they are able to receive financial assistance), which, at some point, others on welfare will benefit from,, until they pay taxes again at which time others on welfare will benefit,, and on and on it is a COMMUNITY investment that is there for all members of the COMMUNITY at random times of personal need That would only be the case if the person made enough money to pay taxes when they were not on welfare. I would argue a lot of people make little enough money to not pay much if any taxes. They would happen to just make enough to not qualify for benefits. Most welfare people don't turn out to be large wage earners unless maybe they are kids whose parents were on welfare but that is not who I am talking about. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 11/02/11 08:31 AM
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I did not know that welfare or medicaid was a loan that had to be paid back. Or was that connected to child support laws? its not a loan, its a trade we pay taxes in TRADE for certain assurances, for now, basic needs, is one of them we put money in a bank, and its doubtful the money we get out is actually the money we put in,, because that money has been given to someone else its kind of how investment works,,, I wouldn't even say that. The people that are receiving welfare are usually people who are not paying taxes. The people that are paying taxes are usually not the people collecting welfare. Now I would agree if you were talking medicare or SS. the people who receive welfare dont pay taxes WHILE ON WELFARE, but they do pay taxes over the course of a lifetime (minus three to five years they are able to receive financial assistance), which, at some point, others on welfare will benefit from,, until they pay taxes again at which time others on welfare will benefit,, and on and on it is a COMMUNITY investment that is there for all members of the COMMUNITY at random times of personal need That would only be the case if the person made enough money to pay taxes when they were not on welfare. I would argue a lot of people make little enough money to not pay much if any taxes. They would happen to just make enough to not qualify for benefits. Most welfare people don't turn out to be large wage earners unless maybe they are kids whose parents were on welfare but that is not who I am talking about. but here is the issue, there is great controversy and confusion and alot of misleading divisive rhetoric regarding taxes and who pays them INCOME tax is but one type of tax that contributes to the federal revenue, in truth MOST people do contribute, even if not via Income taxes so, its still true, that those who receive temporary assistance would still more than return that money to the economy throughout their lifetimes...for the potential use of someone else who may need help |
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My kids father paid every dime I got in welfare and medicaid back to the state here. So there is no debt owed here. And that is the case for a lot of cases. And then I worked for many years and payed lots of taxes as I made quite a bit of money a month and I gladly paid. And then I got sick and have had to cash in on the social security disability. I still gladly pay my taxes. I hope they help all those welfare moms out there who are struggling. Actually, he didn't pay every dime back but only a percentage of what you recieved. They do take monies toward welfare recieved,but not towards medicaid nor food benefits. They do not place the whole burden upon the father, but only a percentage and based on income just as the CS itself remains based on income. Now what they do, do for welfare is they keep the CS check itself and issue a welfare check should you receive welfare. At the point CS starts to be received by the custodial parent, most custodial parents choose the CS over the welfare mainly in most cases the CS ends up being more than the welfare check itself except for in the cases where the welfare remains more than the CS check that was based in the absent parent income. Wrong. He paid back every dime and all the medicaid. I saw the papers and the amount he had to pay back and it was not just a part of it. They even made him pay half of the in house counseling my son had to do while I was working for the welfare department which was a big break for me since they took it right out of my check each month. You shoudlnt have been looking at it for one as it violates confidentiality to look at cases involving family or children and they did not make him pay every penny you used in medicaid......it isnt possible that he paid for every test medicine doctor visit broken arm etc. They made him pay what they charged him not actual cost. He paid every penny of what the government charged. the only way you could say he paid every penny would be to see the documentation of what they paid in comparison to what they charged him. |
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So my welfare brat neighbor just got her Christmas wish answered by a local radio station: A new car (she just went to go get it) $15,000 and a house full of toys for her kids. What ********! People who are trying to take care of their own affairs and slowly drowning by doing the right thing don't have this happen to em. To me this is like Warren Buffet winning the Powerball! |
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So my welfare brat neighbor just got her Christmas wish answered by a local radio station: A new car (she just went to go get it) $15,000 and a house full of toys for her kids. What ********! People who are trying to take care of their own affairs and slowly drowning by doing the right thing don't have this happen to em. To me this is like Warren Buffet winning the Powerball! wait, are you saying wage and salary earners never win contests? seriously? |
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So my welfare brat neighbor just got her Christmas wish answered by a local radio station: A new car (she just went to go get it) $15,000 and a house full of toys for her kids. What ********! People who are trying to take care of their own affairs and slowly drowning by doing the right thing don't have this happen to em. To me this is like Warren Buffet winning the Powerball! wait, are you saying wage and salary earners never win contests? seriously? No, I'm saying radio stations don't consider people who are buying their homes and paying their own way. Every year its the same thing with PC companies. |
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So my welfare brat neighbor just got her Christmas wish answered by a local radio station: A new car (she just went to go get it) $15,000 and a house full of toys for her kids. What ********! People who are trying to take care of their own affairs and slowly drowning by doing the right thing don't have this happen to em. To me this is like Warren Buffet winning the Powerball! wait, are you saying wage and salary earners never win contests? seriously? No, I'm saying radio stations don't consider people who are buying their homes and paying their own way. Every year its the same thing with PC companies. I dont know, most stations I know do either a numbers selection based upon the specific numbered caller (with no reference or further information required) , or they do a drawing, which usually doesnt require any information about ones finances,,, |
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Edited by
boredinaz06
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Wed 11/02/11 11:49 AM
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So my welfare brat neighbor just got her Christmas wish answered by a local radio station: A new car (she just went to go get it) $15,000 and a house full of toys for her kids. What ********! People who are trying to take care of their own affairs and slowly drowning by doing the right thing don't have this happen to em. To me this is like Warren Buffet winning the Powerball! wait, are you saying wage and salary earners never win contests? seriously? No, I'm saying radio stations don't consider people who are buying their homes and paying their own way. Every year its the same thing with PC companies. I dont know, most stations I know do either a numbers selection based upon the specific numbered caller (with no reference or further information required) , or they do a drawing, which usually doesnt require any information about ones finances,,, The station is KRQQ and you send them a letter telling them how poor you are, the winner is based on the most pathetic story received. And after they validate your info provided you get the prize. |
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