You people who are saying that mandatory drug testing is "unconstitutional" should explain what kind of mandatory drug testing you are talking about.

If someone came up to me on the street and told me I had to take a drug test... for no apparent reason, YES that is unconstitutional.

But if I wanted a job and the employer required a drug test and that drug test was mandatory to be considered for the job... NO that is not unconstitutional.

If I went to apply for welfare, of any kind, I am required to fill out a bunch of papers and answer a bunch of personal questions and provide proof of my identity, and proof of my need. Doing all of that is mandatory. Is that against my constitutional right to privacy? NO. It is a requirement to qualify for assistance. A drug test is just another requirement to qualify for assistance.

I am sure that anyone on legally prescribed drugs will inform them of what drugs they are taking... legally. But if you are a meth head... you would be out of luck.

There are plenty of government sponsored drug treatment places that you could probably apply for and get help if you need it.

Is this unconstitutional? I do not think so. You have valid points on the reasons that it isn't. I do feel it is a total waste of taxpayers money. The only illegal drug that stays in your system for more than about 3-5 days is marijuana. I predict what this will do in reality. Is make all of the addicts that smoke it to keep from doing worse things quit so they can pass it. An addictive personality reacts only one way when they are forced to give up thier drug of choice. They turn to another one that they can get fast and easy. Meth, Coke, Heroin, and Crack will all have more addicts using them. There will be an increase in violent crime, due to the use of these harder drugs being on the rise.. They will just not do anything for about a week prior to thier appontment. These people will still pass and get benefits paid to them. I know I would personally choose being in a nation filled with stoned potheads that were chilling out. Instead of a nation of paranoid tweekers desperate to get more dope. I also don't want people driving the hwys high on heroin, falling asleep or passing out. Your right we are like thier employer. Like many addicts that funtion and work jobs that drugtest. They will find a way to pass it so thay get what they need. Employers get fooled by addicts on a daily basis. I know of 3 people myself just in my area, so imagine the whole nation. Only an addict can make himself stop when he is ready. You can put a hurdle in front of him if you like. He will find away over it everytime just to remain getting high. I have been clean and sober for almost 10 yrs. Before that I was in full blown addiction and working with random pop drug testing. I worked that way for 5 yrs and never had a positive test. I just knew when it was about my turn for testing. I would clean out my system fast. I didn't smoke marijuana so it was easy. You may not like this point of view at all. I based it on an addicts behavior pattern, that is all.

Those in favor of this show their prejudice mindset on the matter of welfare recipients.

It is sad that their are so many prejudice folks in this country that this kind of abuse has to happen first before it can be determined to be illegal.

There is no valid legitimate unprejudice reason to test welfare recipients for drugs.

Is this unconstitutional? I do not think so. You have valid points on the reasons that it isn't. I do feel it is a total waste of taxpayers money. The only illegal drug that stays in your system for more than about 3-5 days is marijuana. I predict what this will do in reality. Is make all of the addicts that smoke it to keep from doing worse things quit so they can pass it. An addictive personality reacts only one way when they are forced to give up thier drug of choice. They turn to another one that they can get fast and easy. Meth, Coke, Heroin, and Crack will all have more addicts using them. There will be an increase in violent crime, due to the use of these harder drugs being on the rise.. They will just not do anything for about a week prior to thier appontment. These people will still pass and get benefits paid to them. I know I would personally choose being in a nation filled with stoned potheads that were chilling out. Instead of a nation of paranoid tweekers desperate to get more dope. I also don't want people driving the hwys high on heroin, falling asleep or passing out. Your right we are like thier employer. Like many addicts that funtion and work jobs that drugtest. They will find a way to pass it so thay get what they need. Employers get fooled by addicts on a daily basis. I know of 3 people myself just in my area, so imagine the whole nation. Only an addict can make himself stop when he is ready. You can put a hurdle in front of him if you like. He will find away over it everytime just to remain getting high. I have been clean and sober for almost 10 yrs. Before that I was in full blown addiction and working with random pop drug testing. I worked that way for 5 yrs and never had a positive test. I just knew when it was about my turn for testing. I would clean out my system fast. I didn't smoke marijuana so it was easy. You may not like this point of view at all. I based it on an addicts behavior pattern, that is all.

It is still not a legal thing. None of the paper work takes bodily fluids or parts and uses to them to try incriminate a non-suspected person of a non existent crime. Illegal search.

I think all taro card readers need to be drug tested just because it might be that they use. How does that sit?

Also your last sentence isn't true. There is a shortage of these programs unless you are court ordered.

I am in no way "prejudice" against welfare recipients. I am against giving money to enable drug users. If they have a drug problem and are using illegal drugs, they can look for drug treatment assistance programs.

It is way too easy to get and use hard drugs in this country and the the war on drugs should start at the grass roots... the users, and include testing any time you can.

If they aren't using drugs they should not be worried. If they are using prescribed drugs, they should not be worried.

The use of illegal drugs involves criminal activity like dealing and selling it.

America is the largest consumer of illegal drugs in the entire world, and illegal drugs cause crime, corruption, and drug wars and murder.

Every drug user contributes to the problem. I am concerned mostly with heroin, meth, crack, crank, coke etc.

At the same time, I think marijuana should be legalized. or deregulated altogether. It is a natural plant, not an altered drug. People don't die of an overdose of pot. Alcohol is more dangerous than marijuana.

If you have a loved one who died of an overdose, especially a young adult or child, or a family member who died from the result of alcoholism, you might look for ways to make it more advantageous for people to just get off of the illegal hard drugs.

I agree.

Welcome.

1. The drug testing will not "incriminate" anyone as it would probably be confidential. You cannot arrest someone for drugs based on a test. You would have to catch them in illegal activity. It is not "illegal" to require a drug test for a job, so why would it be illegal to require one to receive welfare?

2. (Its "Tarot" cards with a "t" at the end.)

I am a tarot card artist and designer. I work for myself. If a tarot card reader wants to work for an employer and that employer wants to test them before they are hired that is their business. I don't work for anyone else so no one can tell me I have to take any drug test. That is how that sits.

3. A shortage of programs does not mean they don't exist.

In your attempt for the "good of all" you cannot see the victimization maybe?

It is a prejudiced mindset to "pick" one section of society to be illegally searched for a crime they haven't even shown a sign of committing yet.

Although I agree the ultimate crime stoppers of the future may be able to stop a crime before it happens but at what cost to a person's human rights will it be?

Who is being victimized? How hard is it to pee in a damn cup?

You are now using semantics to try to prove your point. This is considered intellectually dishonest.

You know perfectly well that you need a medical certificate for your pilot's license to be valid. Calling the license a certificate is using the FAA terminology but for Mingle, it's the same damn thing. And remember, Mingle is world wide, not just the US.

Since you profess great knowledge of the the FAA world for being a pilot (I am one too) I'll post the FAA rules for you.

§ 61.14 Refusal to submit to a drug or alcohol test.

(a) This section applies to an individual who holds a certificate under this part and is subject to the types of testing required under appendix I to part 121 or appendix J to part 121 of this chapter.

(b) Refusal by the holder of a certificate issued under this part to take a drug test required under the provisions of appendix I to part 121 or an alcohol test required under the provisions of appendix J to part 121 is grounds for:

(1) Denial of an application for any certificate, rating, or authorization issued under this part for a period of up to 1 year after the date of such refusal; and

(2) Suspension or revocation of any certificate, rating, or authorization issued under this part.

I see no mention of "due process" or "just cause". I was asked to provide a sample of my urine at my last medical. Had I refused, my "certificate" would be toast.

I guess you don't fly anymore.

Why should I have to? I did nothing to have to pee in cup, nor did the welfare recipients do anything to have to pee in a cup other than be very very poor.