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There are many reasons, but for a short answer it would rid the world of a ton of STD's, and is against God's will. That is where STD's come from, multiple sex partners. Masturbation is the epitome of safe sex--no one will contract an STI from masturbating. |
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Cowboy...
God does not WANT us to KNOW his will. Such a burden would rob us of OUR FREE WILL... and our journey would be tainted,. He is wiser than that. |
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Cowboy... God does not WANT us to KNOW his will. Such a burden would rob us of OUR FREE WILL... and our journey would be tainted,. He is wiser than that. Although I disagree with your supposition that there is a god, I would agree with what you say: to know the will of god is to be god. It is also funny how the will of god is always the will of what the person-in-the-know's will. |
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Killing people is causing harm to someone else and it is also immoral and illegal. People were not created, nor are they born with the natural desire to kill others. However, sexual desire is natural and all normal people have it. It is part of nature. I disagree with the suggestion that one urge is 'natural' and the other isn't. One urge is clearly immoral, but it isn't any less natural. Culture, thankfully, has control of us. We've been brainwashed since we were toddlers to have certain values. Our culture looks down on murder, and glorifies sex. Sure, we have movies and video games that glorify violence, but our parents, family, friends, teachers... pretty much everybody else you know (unless you join a gang, etc) abhors unnecessary lethal violence. Thanks to our cultural conditioning, and the tools of self management that culture has given us, many of us never really experience the desire to actually kill someone. And most of those that do experience that desire don't act on it. Nature gave us as much inclination to kill as most primates, maybe more - and we can thank culture for over-riding that. Also, some people are born with hormonal imbalances and experience the urge towards violence in ways different than you or I. >>>"Also, some people are born with hormonal imbalances and experience the urge towards violence in ways different than you or I."<<< That is a malady. People are also born deformed or with genetic diseases. So are you saying that in a normal healthy person, the sexual urge is not natural? If its not, then what is it? Learned? I don't think so. But does this mean that you think the urge to murder or kill other human being is as natural as the urge towards sex? Really? Are you a serial killer? Do you think that people that don't go around killing people have to use self control to suppress their natural urge to kill people? Please explain. I'm a bit concerned. The first step is to think about what is being said more carefully, and to pay attention to false dilemmas. |
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Killing people is causing harm to someone else and it is also immoral and illegal. People were not created, nor are they born with the natural desire to kill others. However, sexual desire is natural and all normal people have it. It is part of nature. I disagree with the suggestion that one urge is 'natural' and the other isn't. One urge is clearly immoral, but it isn't any less natural. Culture, thankfully, has control of us. We've been brainwashed since we were toddlers to have certain values. Our culture looks down on murder, and glorifies sex. Sure, we have movies and video games that glorify violence, but our parents, family, friends, teachers... pretty much everybody else you know (unless you join a gang, etc) abhors unnecessary lethal violence. Thanks to our cultural conditioning, and the tools of self management that culture has given us, many of us never really experience the desire to actually kill someone. And most of those that do experience that desire don't act on it. Nature gave us as much inclination to kill as most primates, maybe more - and we can thank culture for over-riding that. Also, some people are born with hormonal imbalances and experience the urge towards violence in ways different than you or I. >>>"Also, some people are born with hormonal imbalances and experience the urge towards violence in ways different than you or I."<<< That is a malady. People are also born deformed or with genetic diseases. So are you saying that in a normal healthy person, the sexual urge is not natural? If its not, then what is it? Learned? I don't think so. The way we experiences our sexual urges is influenced by both 'nature' and culture - just like the way we experience our emotions, and the fight or flight response. But does this mean that you think the urge to ... kill other human being is as natural as the urge towards sex? Absolutely! Both reflect primitive drives, both are programmed into our dna, both are influenced by endocrine system & brain chemistry, and with both urges we find a minority of humans who seem to, occasionally, 'lost all control'. (I took 'murder' out of your quote, as to me this implies premeditation.) Really? Are you a serial killer? Why would you think of serial killers? My understanding of serial killers is that they are not acting directly out of primitive drives, but some other kind of mental issue. Are you trying to suggest that debating the 'naturalness' of sex and violence implies one is a serial killer? Ad hominem? Do you think that people that don't go around killing people have to use self control to suppress their natural urge to kill people? You seem to think that this line of thinking requires a perpetual 'inner war' with our 'urges', but it doesn't. My point is that civilized culture has been so effective at shaping our way of relating to our urges that most people (from decent families and subcultures) never even think of violence, at least not in real terms, when those physiological responses are activated. And yet I'm shocked sometimes at what I hear from people experiencing road rage. But yes, for people who are raised in violent or abusive situations, and live in cultures for which violence is more acceptable - there are people who do struggle to control their 'natural urge' towards violence. Generally, I think that violence is horrible and sex is great, so I'm glad to live in the society that I live in... or is that I have those beliefs because I live in the society I live in??? Now I know there are these people out there who think that 'natural' means 'appropriate' or 'good', and who want to believe that 'humans are essentially good', etc - who are really rubbed the wrong way when they hear that violence is natural. 'Natural' here just means 'influenced by our biology'. I don't endorse violence! I endorse cultural programming that sublimates or over-rides our baser urges. Religion has been very helpful in that area for thousands of years. |
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who said it is a sin The Hebrew Scriptures say that to let one's seed fall upon the ground is a sin, but not because of "lusting after the flesh" as another poster said. It is a sin because humans were commanded to multiply and be fruitful; masturbation does not impregnate a woman, so the sperm is wasted. A man main goal in life is to impregnate as many females as he can. Of course, woman spill no seed, so we can masturbate as much as we want. Yay! LOL  Maybe men should save their sperm and sell it to a sperm bank. LOL But if men are really supposed to impregnate as many women as they can, that's a lot of child support to pay. 
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There are many reasons, but for a short answer it would rid the world of a ton of STD's, and is against God's will. That is where STD's come from, multiple sex partners. Masturbation is the epitome of safe sex--no one will contract an STI from masturbating. To safe sex and sperm banks!  |
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Cowboy... God does not WANT us to KNOW his will. Such a burden would rob us of OUR FREE WILL... and our journey would be tainted,. He is wiser than that. Why would God not want us to know his will? That kind of defeats the purpose of anything, the only structure we have then is to basically run around like chickens with our heads cut off, no direction, no structure. What would be gained and or accomplished by putting us on Earth and not telling us what his will is? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 09/09/11 10:07 AM
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Cowboy... God does not WANT us to KNOW his will. Such a burden would rob us of OUR FREE WILL... and our journey would be tainted,. He is wiser than that. Although I disagree with your supposition that there is a god, I would agree with what you say: to know the will of god is to be god. It is also funny how the will of god is always the will of what the person-in-the-know's will. Good point. "To know the will of God is to be God."  I've often said that my will is God's will. (and visa versa.) ..So I must be God. didn't Jesus say... "know not that yee are Gods?" The Kingdom of heaven is within you and all around you. I have also said that THE WILL is THE SOUL. There is but one soul and we are all IT. We are one. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 09/09/11 10:10 AM
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Cowboy... God does not WANT us to KNOW his will. Such a burden would rob us of OUR FREE WILL... and our journey would be tainted,. He is wiser than that. Why would God not want us to know his will? That kind of defeats the purpose of anything, the only structure we have then is to basically run around like chickens with our heads cut off, no direction, no structure. What would be gained and or accomplished by putting us on Earth and not telling us what his will is? Because, cowboy, we have souls. This means that we have our own personal WILL. We are free souls. We have "free wills." We are not slaves of the All Mighty God. (Although some people would like to have you believe that.) We are allowed to live and think and learn for ourselves. |
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Cowboy... God does not WANT us to KNOW his will. Such a burden would rob us of OUR FREE WILL... and our journey would be tainted,. He is wiser than that. Why would God not want us to know his will? That kind of defeats the purpose of anything, the only structure we have then is to basically run around like chickens with our heads cut off, no direction, no structure. What would be gained and or accomplished by putting us on Earth and not telling us what his will is? Because, cowboy, we have souls. This means that we have our own personal WILL. We are free souls. We have "free wills." We are not slaves of the All Mighty God. (Although some people would like to have you believe that.) We are allowed to live and think and learn for ourselves. We are not slaves of God, we are children. Do you not give your children rules to follow? If so why? You're only taking away some of their free will. They have FREE wills, they have FREE souls, why restrict them in life by giving them rules to follow? lol. That is why there is a JUDGEMENT at the end of times. Yes we have free wills, wouldn't be much of a point to have a judgement if we didn't, now would it be? We have free will so that we can either CHOOSE to obey God or not. God is the only way to Heaven. What is more important? Something given to you just because? Or something you worked hard for? |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 09/09/11 10:36 AM
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Cowboy you may still be a child, and it is clear to me that you are. But I am not a child. I think for myself. I have put away childish things.
As an adult, I make my own decisions, and I make my own rules. |
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Cowboy you may still be a child, and it is clear to me that you are. But I am not a child. I think for myself. I have put away childish things. As an adult, I make my own decisions, and I make my own rules. What does being a child and thinking for oneself have to do with one another? I do think for myself, I am accountable for any and every action I take or don't take when I should have. |
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Cowboy you may still be a child, and it is clear to me that you are. But I am not a child. I think for myself. I have put away childish things. As an adult, I make my own decisions, and I make my own rules. What does being a child and thinking for oneself have to do with one another? I do think for myself, I am accountable for any and every action I take or don't take when I should have. Good for you. As a child, when will you grow up then? Don't you want your children when you have some, to grow up? Or are you going to take care of them all of their natural lives and expect them to obey you? |
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Cowboy you may still be a child, and it is clear to me that you are. But I am not a child. I think for myself. I have put away childish things. As an adult, I make my own decisions, and I make my own rules. What does being a child and thinking for oneself have to do with one another? I do think for myself, I am accountable for any and every action I take or don't take when I should have. Good for you. As a child, when will you grow up then? Don't you want your children when you have some, to grow up? Or are you going to take care of them all of their natural lives and expect them to obey you? Doesn't matter how old you are, you will always be a child. You could be 100 years old but you are still your parents child. |
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Cowboy you may still be a child, and it is clear to me that you are. But I am not a child. I think for myself. I have put away childish things. As an adult, I make my own decisions, and I make my own rules. What does being a child and thinking for oneself have to do with one another? I do think for myself, I am accountable for any and every action I take or don't take when I should have. Good for you. As a child, when will you grow up then? Don't you want your children when you have some, to grow up? Or are you going to take care of them all of their natural lives and expect them to obey you? Doesn't matter how old you are, you will always be a child. You could be 100 years old but you are still your parents child. No, you are no longer considered a child if you are 100 years old. A child is a child. When you grow up, you are referred to as a son or daughter or a decedent. Never a child. |
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Cowboy you may still be a child, and it is clear to me that you are. But I am not a child. I think for myself. I have put away childish things. As an adult, I make my own decisions, and I make my own rules. What does being a child and thinking for oneself have to do with one another? I do think for myself, I am accountable for any and every action I take or don't take when I should have. Good for you. As a child, when will you grow up then? Don't you want your children when you have some, to grow up? Or are you going to take care of them all of their natural lives and expect them to obey you? Doesn't matter how old you are, you will always be a child. You could be 100 years old but you are still your parents child. No, you are no longer considered a child if you are 100 years old. A child is a child. When you grow up, you are referred to as a son or daughter or a decedent. Never a child. Definition of child - 2. A son or daughter of any age. Same thing you said. |
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Cowboy you may still be a child, and it is clear to me that you are. But I am not a child. I think for myself. I have put away childish things. As an adult, I make my own decisions, and I make my own rules. What does being a child and thinking for oneself have to do with one another? I do think for myself, I am accountable for any and every action I take or don't take when I should have. Good for you. As a child, when will you grow up then? Don't you want your children when you have some, to grow up? Or are you going to take care of them all of their natural lives and expect them to obey you? Doesn't matter how old you are, you will always be a child. You could be 100 years old but you are still your parents child. No, you are no longer considered a child if you are 100 years old. A child is a child. When you grow up, you are referred to as a son or daughter or a decedent. Never a child. Definition of child - 2. A son or daughter of any age. Same thing you said. Not according to the law or the courts.
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Cowboy,
So I guess I can call you a child then. You are such a child. 
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