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Jeanniebean
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Cowboy wrote: Masturbation = lusting after sexual intercourse, is simulating the action. Lusting after sexual intercourse and or sexual actions is sinful, thus masturbation is sinful. No you are extremely wrong on that one. (I don't lust for sexual intercourse at all BTW) I would rather avoid that. Lusting after sexual intercourse is natural instinct and it is the way God designed all things so that they would procreated and multiply. |
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Cowboy wrote: Masturbation = lusting after sexual intercourse, is simulating the action. Lusting after sexual intercourse and or sexual actions is sinful, thus masturbation is sinful. No you are extremely wrong on that one. (I don't lust for sexual intercourse at all BTW) I would rather avoid that. Lusting after sexual intercourse is natural instinct and it is the way God designed all things so that they would procreated and multiply. Naturally just wanting to have babies is totally different then looking at someone(s) and wanting to do sexual actions with them and or do sexual actions in general. It's the desire to have kids, not the desire for the action in general. The desire and or act of sex for just the physical pleasure and or anything outside of procreation and or masturbation is when it becomes sinful. Not the desire to have kids in general. |
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how do we stop doing it if we been doing it since 12 If you stop doing it you will likely become stressed. Stress is unhealthy and it promotes cancer. Masturbation prevents cancer. I don't really enjoy it that much, but I will do it to prevent stress and cancer.  It is not "lustful." Nor is it a sin. It just feels good and it is good for you. Don't believe anyone who tells you different. Masturbation = lower testosterone. Lower testosterone = high possibility for cancer. |
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Men could reduce their risk of developing prostate cancer through regular masturbation, researchers suggest.
They say cancer-causing chemicals could build up in the prostate if men do not ejaculate regularly. And they say sexual intercourse may not have the same protective effect because of the possibility of contracting a sexually transmitted infection, which could increase men's cancer risk. Australian researchers questioned over 1,000 men who had developed prostate cancer and 1,250 who had not about their sexual habits. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3072021.stm |
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Cowboy wrote: Masturbation = lusting after sexual intercourse, is simulating the action. Lusting after sexual intercourse and or sexual actions is sinful, thus masturbation is sinful. No you are extremely wrong on that one. (I don't lust for sexual intercourse at all BTW) I would rather avoid that. Lusting after sexual intercourse is natural instinct and it is the way God designed all things so that they would procreated and multiply. Naturally just wanting to have babies is totally different then looking at someone(s) and wanting to do sexual actions with them and or do sexual actions in general. It's the desire to have kids, not the desire for the action in general. The desire and or act of sex for just the physical pleasure and or anything outside of procreation and or masturbation is when it becomes sinful. Not the desire to have kids in general. If people only had sex because they wanted to have children, there would not be very many people in the world. That was not nature's intention. Most people don't even think about having children when they start having sex. I realize some religious people put this in your head but it is nonsense as far as reality is concerned. Sex is a natural act, therefor sanctioned by God. |
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The idea that sex is a sin was invented by the Church. The idea is absurd.
Sex is a creative act and a natural act. With it comes the responsibility of possible children so people should be aware of that, but to lay a guilt trip on people who masturbate is a sin as far as I am concerned. |
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There's nothing sinful about masturbation. The closest thing to it in the bible is Onanism. Onan "pulled out" at the last minute before blowing his wad and "spilled his seed on the ground". Even in this instance, it's not clear that it is a sin per se. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan Masturbation = lusting after sexual intercourse, is simulating the action. Lusting after sexual intercourse and or sexual actions is sinful, thus masturbation is sinful.  The bible says nothing about "lusting after sexual intercourse". David would have been one of the greatest breakers of this rule if that were true. (see the scriptures about Bethsheba)
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The idea that sex is a sin was invented by the Church. The idea is absurd. Sex is a creative act and a natural act. With it comes the responsibility of possible children so people should be aware of that, but to lay a guilt trip on people who masturbate is a sin as far as I am concerned. Truly, and religion that perverts such natural acts and desires is clearly a man-made perversion of divinity. The bible is riddled with male-chauvinism and other disgusting nonsense. It's just a religion that was created by a society that didn't have any better moral values than the Taliban. Why anyone worships those ancient perverts as the "Voice of God" is beyond me. A person truly needs to have a really low and petty view of a God to believe in these kind of perverted religions, IMHO. People should be required to study the ancient Greek Civilizations, before they are even introduced to the Hebrew religions. I think that after they see how many of these perverted ideas actually got started they wouldn't be taking them so seriously. |
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There's nothing sinful about masturbation. The closest thing to it in the bible is Onanism. Onan "pulled out" at the last minute before blowing his wad and "spilled his seed on the ground". Even in this instance, it's not clear that it is a sin per se. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan Masturbation = lusting after sexual intercourse, is simulating the action. Lusting after sexual intercourse and or sexual actions is sinful, thus masturbation is sinful. The bible says nothing about "lusting after sexual intercourse". David would have been one of the greatest breakers of this rule if that were true. (see the scriptures about Bethsheba) James 1:15 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. |
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The idea that sex is a sin was invented by the Church. The idea is absurd. Sex is a creative act and a natural act. With it comes the responsibility of possible children so people should be aware of that, but to lay a guilt trip on people who masturbate is a sin as far as I am concerned. Truly, and religion that perverts such natural acts and desires is clearly a man-made perversion of divinity. The bible is riddled with male-chauvinism and other disgusting nonsense. It's just a religion that was created by a society that didn't have any better moral values than the Taliban. Why anyone worships those ancient perverts as the "Voice of God" is beyond me. A person truly needs to have a really low and petty view of a God to believe in these kind of perverted religions, IMHO. People should be required to study the ancient Greek Civilizations, before they are even introduced to the Hebrew religions. I think that after they see how many of these perverted ideas actually got started they wouldn't be taking them so seriously. Interesting view. So what I get from you post is it's ok to go around lusting after every and or any woman, wanting to take them to the bedroom, but it's absolutely disgusting and male chauvinistic to not lust after a woman.... interesting. |
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Cowboy wrote: Interesting view. So what I get from you post is it's ok to go around lusting after every and or any woman, wanting to take them to the bedroom, but it's absolutely disgusting and male chauvinistic to not lust after a woman.... interesting. I beg your pardon? Everything you have stated above can only be filth from your own mind. It has absolutely nothing at all to do with me or anything I posted. I have never suggested anywhere that anyone should lust after every and/or any woman for the purpose of wanting to take them to the bedroom. Why you would suggest such a thing is beyond me. I can only imagine that you are intentionally attempting to bear false witness against my character in a very deceitful and dishonest attempt to try to discredit or belittle my views. That's dishonest, rude, and far from anything that Jesus would have condoned for certain. I personally have absolutely no interested in having sex with any female based on pure physical lust. If she's not emotionally available, and single, I have no desire to become physically intimate with her at all. I am only interested in sharing love. Period. For you to suggest otherwise, is your own deceitful fabrication. It truly amazing me at just how vile someone who claims to believe in Jesus as the "Christ" can actually become when discussing religion. My moral values far outshine anything you'll find in the ancient Hebrew dogma. |
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Cowboy posted: James 1:15 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. The fallacy here is that you are personally assuming that masturbation equates to lust and can only be motivated by lust. That's a totally bogus assumption on your part. Although it COULD be true for YOU! That I can't deny. And since you take such a strong stance that masturbation can only arise from lust, I really see no other choice than to conclude that, for you, masturbation is entirely a lustful activity. So, for you, masturbation would be based on lust evidently. But that doesn't mean that everyone thinks the way you do. That's the error of your ways right there. For someone else, masturbation may be a totally different psychic experience, based entirely on true feelings of love, devotion, and a desire to share eternal monogamy with the lover they imagine to be with in their mind. This lover may be totally abstract in their mind. They are imagining being with their heavenly eternal soul-mate. There is no way that masturbating in this sense could be reduced to the vile perversions that you are desperately attempting to degrade it do just for the sake of supporting a truly disgusting religion. That's truly what it comes down to Cowboy. You need to make masturbation out to be a thoroughly disgusting act, in order to justify having a God condemn it as being 'sinful'. You can't have your God condemning a genuinely wholesome act of pure love and sincere desire, and thus you desperately need for masturbation to be disgusting. That's truly a shame. Can you not see that it is your religion that makes things vile? The religion itself needs to make things vile that it labels as being 'sinful' in order to justify its God who condemns these acts as being 'sinful'. So it's ultimately the religion itself that creates the need to make things become "vile" and "evil". This is why I say that you can take your religion and shove it where the sun don't shine, because it's the very nature of this religion to remove the sunshine from some of the most beautiful aspects of human existence. It's the religion that is vile Cowboy. That's where these perversions come from. These archaic religions are the source of perversion. They require that you pervert beautiful aspects of life just to justify these ungodly fables. |
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Cowboy posted: James 1:15 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. The fallacy here is that you are personally assuming that masturbation equates to lust and can only be motivated by lust. That's a totally bogus assumption on your part. Although it COULD be true for YOU! That I can't deny. And since you take such a strong stance that masturbation can only arise from lust, I really see no other choice than to conclude that, for you, masturbation is entirely a lustful activity. So, for you, masturbation would be based on lust evidently. But that doesn't mean that everyone thinks the way you do. That's the error of your ways right there. For someone else, masturbation may be a totally different psychic experience, based entirely on true feelings of love, devotion, and a desire to share eternal monogamy with the lover they imagine to be with in their mind. This lover may be totally abstract in their mind. They are imagining being with their heavenly eternal soul-mate. There is no way that masturbating in this sense could be reduced to the vile perversions that you are desperately attempting to degrade it do just for the sake of supporting a truly disgusting religion. That's truly what it comes down to Cowboy. You need to make masturbation out to be a thoroughly disgusting act, in order to justify having a God condemn it as being 'sinful'. You can't have your God condemning a genuinely wholesome act of pure love and sincere desire, and thus you desperately need for masturbation to be disgusting. That's truly a shame. Can you not see that it is your religion that makes things vile? The religion itself needs to make things vile that it labels as being 'sinful' in order to justify its God who condemns these acts as being 'sinful'. So it's ultimately the religion itself that creates the need to make things become "vile" and "evil". This is why I say that you can take your religion and shove it where the sun don't shine, because it's the very nature of this religion to remove the sunshine from some of the most beautiful aspects of human existence. It's the religion that is vile Cowboy. That's where these perversions come from. These archaic religions are the source of perversion. They require that you pervert beautiful aspects of life just to justify these ungodly fables. That I can't deny. And since you take such a strong stance that masturbation can only arise from lust, I really see no other choice than to conclude that, for you, masturbation is entirely a lustful activity. If not lusting after sexual actions....... why else would one masturbate? |
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Cowboy posted: James 1:15 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. The fallacy here is that you are personally assuming that masturbation equates to lust and can only be motivated by lust. That's a totally bogus assumption on your part. Although it COULD be true for YOU! That I can't deny. And since you take such a strong stance that masturbation can only arise from lust, I really see no other choice than to conclude that, for you, masturbation is entirely a lustful activity. So, for you, masturbation would be based on lust evidently. But that doesn't mean that everyone thinks the way you do. That's the error of your ways right there. For someone else, masturbation may be a totally different psychic experience, based entirely on true feelings of love, devotion, and a desire to share eternal monogamy with the lover they imagine to be with in their mind. This lover may be totally abstract in their mind. They are imagining being with their heavenly eternal soul-mate. There is no way that masturbating in this sense could be reduced to the vile perversions that you are desperately attempting to degrade it do just for the sake of supporting a truly disgusting religion. That's truly what it comes down to Cowboy. You need to make masturbation out to be a thoroughly disgusting act, in order to justify having a God condemn it as being 'sinful'. You can't have your God condemning a genuinely wholesome act of pure love and sincere desire, and thus you desperately need for masturbation to be disgusting. That's truly a shame. Can you not see that it is your religion that makes things vile? The religion itself needs to make things vile that it labels as being 'sinful' in order to justify its God who condemns these acts as being 'sinful'. So it's ultimately the religion itself that creates the need to make things become "vile" and "evil". This is why I say that you can take your religion and shove it where the sun don't shine, because it's the very nature of this religion to remove the sunshine from some of the most beautiful aspects of human existence. It's the religion that is vile Cowboy. That's where these perversions come from. These archaic religions are the source of perversion. They require that you pervert beautiful aspects of life just to justify these ungodly fables. with the lover they imagine to be with in their mind That is exactly what lusting is right there. Why could this someone not wait till they have the opportunity to enjoy the other? Why must one masturbate over this desire? And btw, that is exactly what I've been saying, so I don't see your point in disagreeing. Doesn't matter if this someone they are imagining is a loved one or the girl next door. The point is they are still IMAGINING this person, they are LUSTING after this person. |
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Cowboy posted: If not lusting after sexual actions....... why else would one masturbate? That's already been explained in sufficient scope. It's clearly a healthy thing to do even from a purely pragmatic biological position. The pure physical act of masturbating itself cannot be a 'sin'. The only thing that could possibly be associated with being 'sinful' would necessarily be the thoughts that might accompany it. Like I say, it's extremely important for you to maintain that any, and all, possible thoughts that could be associated with masturbation must necessarily be vile, perverted, and therefore sinful. You absolutely need for this to be the case in order to justify your vile religion. However, any intelligent person can clearly see that this is an impossible demand on your part. I can, and most certainly do, have wonderful, loving wholesome and divine thoughts when I masturbate. Therefore, I know without any shadow of a doubt that wholesome masturbation is indeed a practical reality. You cannot tolerate this because it flies in the very face of what your religious dogma demands, at least as you interpret it. Your religion, as you evidently interpret it, requires that masturbation be a sinful and therefor an unwholesome act. Thus your religion, as you portray, interpret, and preach it, has no place in my life. It's a disgusting vile religion that necessarily defiles all that is wholesome and divine, IMHO. It's nothing more than the sickness of an ancient demented society being perpetuated today by people who obviously can't even think as wholesome as I can. If you have a need to defile masturbation in your life to justify an ancient judgmental God, please by my guest.  But you'll never convince me that the creator of humanity is as perverted as your religion, as you interpret it, requires. NO SALE. As far as I can see it's your religion that is perverted, not the act of masturbation. And you'll never convince me otherwise because I know better.
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I seriously have a hard time believing that anyone believes this garbage about masturbation being a sin. I can only say that it is due to ignorance on a massive scale, or brainwashing perpetrated by mentally unstable or insane individuals. Its really a shame.
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There's nothing sinful about masturbation. The closest thing to it in the bible is Onanism. Onan "pulled out" at the last minute before blowing his wad and "spilled his seed on the ground". Even in this instance, it's not clear that it is a sin per se. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan Masturbation = lusting after sexual intercourse, is simulating the action. Lusting after sexual intercourse and or sexual actions is sinful, thus masturbation is sinful. The bible says nothing about "lusting after sexual intercourse". David would have been one of the greatest breakers of this rule if that were true. (see the scriptures about Bethsheba) James 1:15 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Masturbation is not an act of lust in the sense that the old (or new) testament writers meant it. They meant it as lusting after another man's wife. (see Matthew 5:28, for example) |
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There's nothing sinful about masturbation. The closest thing to it in the bible is Onanism. Onan "pulled out" at the last minute before blowing his wad and "spilled his seed on the ground". Even in this instance, it's not clear that it is a sin per se. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan Masturbation = lusting after sexual intercourse, is simulating the action. Lusting after sexual intercourse and or sexual actions is sinful, thus masturbation is sinful. The bible says nothing about "lusting after sexual intercourse". David would have been one of the greatest breakers of this rule if that were true. (see the scriptures about Bethsheba) James 1:15 15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Masturbation is not an act of lust in the sense that the old (or new) testament writers meant it. They meant it as lusting after another man's wife. (see Matthew 5:28, for example) How do you get that "lust" is solely ment towards another man's wife or another's wife's husband? Lust in the bible is the same lust that's in the dictionary. Words don't have their own meaning just because, or have a meaning that ONE specific person or group of person's wish for it have. And where do you get your thinking of "lust" solely being after another person's man or wife? How do you know it to be so specific pertaining to again specifically another's wife or husband? |
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Ok can i put it like this
Masturbation is not a sin but pleasuring yourself is 
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Men could reduce their risk of developing prostate cancer through regular masturbation, researchers suggest. Thats the only reason why I do it. |
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