Thats the only reason why I do it.

Masturbation would be lusting after the flesh, thus it would be sinful. It would be lusting for sex.

If God knows im doing it, he is watching me doing it, and that makes him a bigger sinner than me.

SEE...this is yet another example of what radical christians are teaching their children! Shoving guilt up their ***'s, filling their heads with garbage.
I don't know the numbers, but it would be a safe bet to say it's high...the number of people with sexual dysfunction as adults because of this ****. Also would be a safe bet to say MOST of the male serial killers, serial rapists...DO have serious sexual issues going back to their mothers uptight and extreme sexual issues.
I had 3 boys. I can assure you that there was nothing evil and sinful about them when they reached down and found their penis's for the first time. Once they found it I could barely get a diaper back on them.
I knew one who smacked her boy when he would touch himself, even scratching. He was about 4 or 5. Use to piss me off, I wanted to smack her. Oh yeah, he won't have issues.

who said it is a sin

Probably someone who either doesn't understand the bible or just wants to screw up other people's sex lives.

amusing that the faithful would call masterbating a sin and then claim that we are all sinners. and of course that leads to commitimg whatever sins in life happily believing that simply asking forgiveness will absolve all their sins. it really is an easy sell to the weak willed ones and no wonder such dogma is so well accepted.

It's the kind of people who feel the need to have control over everyone, including their sex lives.

so true.

Neither the Church, the local pastor, or the Pope has any business sticking their noses into people's sex lives.

Sex is natural, and necessary for the procreation of life. Sexual desire is natural. It is like breathing and eating. Is breathing and eating a sin? Of course not.

What someone does in privacy for their own pleasure or release of tension is no concern of the Church. I know it's no concern of God because if you believe that God created you then that is how you were created.

Now if you really believe that ridiculous idea, keep it to yourself. You have no right to try to control anyone else's sexual lives unless they are hurting someone else.

What someone does in privacy for their own pleasure or release of tension is no concern of the Church. I know it's no concern of God because if you believe that God created you then that is how you were created.

Sexual intercourse is for reproduction. Outside of that it is a fleshly desire, a fleshly lust. We are to live by the spirit, not by the flesh.

Sexual intercourse is for reproduction. Outside of that it is a fleshly desire, a fleshly lust. We are to live by the spirit, not by the flesh.

So by what you say on, "if God created them that way, that's the way it should be". Then why do we put people into institutions for desiring to kill everyone? Heck, that's how God made them...

No, God doesn't make certain people a certain way. God created your form, your body, your soul. He didn't and doesn't create who you are less you allow him to.

Killing people is causing harm to someone else and it is also immoral and illegal. People were not created, nor are they born with the natural desire to kill others.

However, sexual desire is natural and all normal people have it. It is part of nature.

I disagree with the suggestion that one urge is 'natural' and the other isn't.

One urge is clearly immoral, but it isn't any less natural.

Culture, thankfully, has control of us. We've been brainwashed since we were toddlers to have certain values. Our culture looks down on murder, and glorifies sex. Sure, we have movies and video games that glorify violence, but our parents, family, friends, teachers... pretty much everybody else you know (unless you join a gang, etc) abhors unnecessary lethal violence.

Thanks to our cultural conditioning, and the tools of self management that culture has given us, many of us never really experience the desire to actually kill someone. And most of those that do experience that desire don't act on it. Nature gave us as much inclination to kill as most primates, maybe more - and we can thank culture for over-riding that.

Also, some people are born with hormonal imbalances and experience the urge towards violence in ways different than you or I.


>>>"Also, some people are born with hormonal imbalances and experience the urge towards violence in ways different than you or I."<<<

I disagree with the suggestion that one urge is 'natural' and the other isn't.

One urge is clearly immoral, but it isn't any less natural.

Culture, thankfully, has control of us. We've been brainwashed since we were toddlers to have certain values. Our culture looks down on murder, and glorifies sex. Sure, we have movies and video games that glorify violence, but our parents, family, friends, teachers... pretty much everybody else you know (unless you join a gang, etc) abhors unnecessary lethal violence.

Thanks to our cultural conditioning, and the tools of self management that culture has given us, many of us never really experience the desire to actually kill someone. And most of those that do experience that desire don't act on it. Nature gave us as much inclination to kill as most primates, maybe more - and we can thank culture for over-riding that.

Also, some people are born with hormonal imbalances and experience the urge towards violence in ways different than you or I.

That is a malady. People are also born deformed or with genetic diseases.

So are you saying that in a normal healthy person, the sexual urge is not natural? If its not, then what is it? Learned? I don't think so.

But does this mean that you think the urge to murder or kill other human being is as natural as the urge towards sex? Really? Are you a serial killer?

Do you think that people that don't go around killing people have to use self control to suppress their natural urge to kill people?


Please explain. I'm a bit concerned.

So are you saying that in a normal healthy person, the sexual urge is not natural? If its not, then what is it? Learned? I don't think so.