If God knows im doing it, he is watching me doing it, and that makes him a bigger sinner than me.

How so? It's not like God would be a peeping tom looking in hopes to see something as such. God watches our every move, not out of lust, not out of anything like that. Out of love, out of watching over us to protect us, watching our every move for judgement time, ect ect.

If failing to spot a joke was a sin, you would be going to hell.

Next time i'll add a 'lol' on to make it less subtle for ya! (lol!)

ok lol, that would be much appreciative. This is a serious forum. Maybe not for everyone, but quite a lot of people hold dear to their religous/spiritual beliefs and don't joke around about and or with them.

Maybe thats one of your problems, taking your religion(and yourself) too seriously.

Maybe you need to masturbate more often.

(lol!)

Spiritual beliefs are very crucial and serious. Spiritual beliefs are for eternity, not just this life on Earth. This life is to prepare us for eternity and to see if we even deserve eternity, it's about living for tomorrow and not today. Today is gone in a blink of an eye and tomorrow may never come because of something you do today.

The whole idea of a judgmental Godhead who would be as petty as the Hebrew folklore demands does not warrant 'serious' consideration, IMHO.

Such a petty would would be pathetic and laughable IMHO, the only 'seriousness' that could be given to it would be the grave truth that if such a god existed it would indeed be pathetically hideous. I suppose that if such a sick demented "god" actually existed that would indeed be a gravely serious state of affairs.

So I guess it's no wonder that the people who believe in this kind of judgmental godhead take their religion so seriously. The consequences for dismissing the religion as being utterly absurd would be horrific.

It's clearly a fear-based religion and as such strikes the 'seriousness' of fear into its followers.

Just as you have yourself proclaimed here. You're greatest fear is that you could screw up your chances at eternal life via something that you might do or say today. That is indeed a fear-based religion.

You fear, that you'll screw up your future if you do not cower down to the demands of this religion. So from that point of view, it would of course be "gravely serious" for you.

You have much to lose by questioning the validity of these ancient fables, and apparently nothing to gain from questioning them because you have already been convinced that your future depends entirely upon appeasing this judgmental godhead.

Yep, I would agree that such a fear-based belief would indeed be a quite serious state of affairs for the believer.

Do the wrong thing (even by honest and sincere mistake) and your petty god will condemn you for all of eternity.

That would indeed be a gravely serious predicament to be in for sure.

So I can see where it would indeed be deadly serious for those who buy into it.

It's clearly a fear-based religion and as such strikes the 'seriousness' of fear into its followers.

Just as you have yourself proclaimed here. You're greatest fear is that you could screw up your chances at eternal life via something that you might do or say today. That is indeed a fear-based religion.

You fear, that you'll screw up your future if you do not cower down to the demands of this religion. So from that point of view, it would of course be "gravely serious" for yo

Do the wrong thing (even by honest and sincere mistake) and your petty god will condemn you for all of eternity.

There's nothing sinful about masturbation. The closest thing to it in the bible is Onanism. Onan "pulled out" at the last minute before blowing his wad and "spilled his seed on the ground". Even in this instance, it's not clear that it is a sin per se.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan

Regardless to your religious beliefs, I fully recommend masturbation on a regular basis.

It relieves stress.
It helps to make women better lovers and makes their sex life more satisfying.
It is way of connecting with yourself and your body.
Etc...

Mutual masturbation is fantastic also.

Watching your lover please themselves helps you learn what pleases them so you become a better partner to them.

There is really nothing wrong with it as long as you can get over the hairy palms.

Both medical doctors and psychologists have recognize that the regular release of sexual tensions contributes profoundly to a persons well-being in general. And masturbation fits that bill for someone who does not have an intimate mate.

So for us to believe in a God who condemns masturbation as a 'sin' we would need to believe in a God who doesn't even recognize what is health for the very objects of his creation.

Cowboy wrote:

Masturbation = lusting after sexual intercourse, is simulating the action. Lusting after sexual intercourse and or sexual actions is sinful, thus masturbation is sinful.

That may be your own personal perversion of sexual release, or perhaps a perverted definition pushed onto you by the religion you've chosen to worship, but from my point of view it is indeed a perverted view.

You have chosen to defile something in the name of a petty God that is actually quite divine and beautiful.

There is no need for masturbation to be thought of as "lust after sexual intercourse". In fact, you have absolutely no clue what people might actually be thinking when they masturbate. Perhaps that what you would choose to think about when you masturbate? But it does not automatically follow that everyone thinks that way.

That certainly isn't my thoughts. I don't even think of sexual intercourse when I masturbate and that's a fact. My focus is on making love to a woman. I actually focus far more on kissing her in a loving way and sharing feelings of LOVE with her.

So evidently I do not pervert masturbation as you seem to think it should be perverted.

Your assumptions about the motivations and thoughts of other people simply aren't true. You have been brainwashed by a perverted religion to believe that this is what masturbation represents, but that is a lie right there. Although it may not be a lie for you if you buy into it.


But the fact that it is indeed a lie for me, demonstrates clearly to me that falsity of the religion. The people who made this religion up simply did not have the capability to think like me and to view things as I view them, so they perverted these thing into their own style of thinking.

This is why I know with absolute certainty that these religious writings are the babblings of perverted male-chauvinistic men, and did not come from any truly 'all-wise' God. These teachings aren't even remotely "wise", they are sick and perverted.

This is how we can know that these religions are false.

Unless a course a person is just as sick and perverted as the people who made these religions up. Then they wouldn't be able to see through the nonsense.

There is nothing ungodly or less than divine in masturbation when done in a mindset of genuine love. Perverting it to reduce it to nothing more than the lust of a 'sex act' is simply not required at all.

In perfect honesty I can tell you right now that I wouldn't even be able to become sexually aroused at all if I viewed masturbation in the way that you pervert it. There would be nothing erotic in it for me at all if I perverted it as you suggest it should be perverted.

For me, sex and love are inseparable. And therefore, for me, sex is an act of love and is therefor every bit as divine as love. It has absolutely nothing at all to do with the material lust of flesh.

That's your perversion, not mine.

Although, I will agree that there are clearly other people who think like you. The success of the pornographic industries are active proof of that.

But that does not mean that every individual must therefore reduce sex to perversion. That's an insane notion right there.

An insane notion that religious people like you tend to perpetuate.

My suggestion would be to climb out of that mental gutter and start thinking in terms of love instead of meaningless lust of flesh. Only then could you begin to see the divine nature of masturbation.

Cowboy wrote:

Why can one not control them self? Why must one masturbate? Why can one not just wait? What is the big need for masturbation? Why desire something that will never help you in your life so much.

how do we stop doing it if we been doing it since 12