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If you don't accept evolution why is that?
Also, if you do, especially for a Christian how does that coincide with original sin (considering there would be no need for Adam and Eve)? Also that would dismantle the need for Jesus to die on the cross. Thanks for the responses to come. |
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it depends upon what 'evolution' is referring to,, what concept and what context
I do believe we have 'evolved' or 'adapted' to our environments, I believe every living species had a capacity for adaptation to different envrionments at some level this doesnt negate the reality of adam and eve for me nor does it negate original sin,,, |
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it depends upon what 'evolution' is referring to,, what concept and what context I do believe we have 'evolved' or 'adapted' to our environments, I believe every living species had a capacity for adaptation to different envrionments at some level this doesnt negate the reality of adam and eve for me nor does it negate original sin,,, As evolution suggests we evolved from a common ancestor of the great apes. |
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it depends upon what 'evolution' is referring to,, what concept and what context I do believe we have 'evolved' or 'adapted' to our environments, I believe every living species had a capacity for adaptation to different envrionments at some level this doesnt negate the reality of adam and eve for me nor does it negate original sin,,, As evolution suggests we evolved from a common ancestor of the great apes. a common ancestor? thats possible, as we are all connected through the dirt and the cosmos,,, whether we evolved FROM a monkey or an APE, is not something I belive that we are all interconnected, even biologically, is something I Can certainly understand being possible the bible teaches of man coming from dust, and woman coming from the rib of the man,, that would give them common dna it doesnt say specifically what EVERYTHING else was formed from, although we know when we burn most living tissue it becomes similar to dirt or dust so we do come from some common source, I could believe it would manifest in science as a common 'ancestor' |
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You must mean those Christians who wear the t-shirts with men riding dinosaurs huh?
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Evolution does exist to a degree. We may have once appeared to be "ape" like. Put a bunch of hair on a person and what do they look like? An ape like creature. The temperature of the world changes through time. Take ice age for instance, and the time previous to it and a bit afterwards. Temperatures weren't as high as they are now. This would cause evolution in the human body causing more body hair for warmth, thus making an ape like being out of humans. But even tanning is a form of evolution. Take one generation putting them in a cooler climate to live, where there's possibly many trees. Then place the next generation of the same people in a dry sun exposed area. They will get darker eg., tan. This is evolution at the very minimal.
And what exactly does that have anything to do with the original sin? And what does the original sin and Jesus have anything to do with one another specifically? Jesus died for our SINS in general, not limited to the original sin. |
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I thing ..we as humans and this extends to other species as well..are proof of evolution.... two beings have sex make one new being with both traits evolution proved...
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I thing ..we as humans and this extends to other species as well..are proof of evolution.... two beings have sex make one new being with both traits evolution proved... and intelligent design not disproven,,, |
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Im only aiming at those who refuse to acknowledge evolution ... and have faith that everything is only created
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I thing ..we as humans and this extends to other species as well..are proof of evolution.... two beings have sex make one new being with both traits evolution proved... so which evolved first, the chicken or the egg |
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Im only aiming at those who refuse to acknowledge evolution ... and have faith that everything is only created Evolution and creation go hand in hand. Heck, we don't even look exactly how we did 1000 years ago. We were created to evolve with the ever changing climate, elevation, difference between the terrains, ect. |
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I thing ..we as humans and this extends to other species as well..are proof of evolution.... two beings have sex make one new being with both traits evolution proved... so which evolved first, the chicken or the egg Well, that is explained a lot, through a lot of mutations of course the chicken evolved from reptile type species with no fur. So if you want to know the question literally, then the egg obviously came first. Source : http://en.allexperts.com/q/Evolution-3839/2008/7/evolution-chicken.htm All of this i figured anyway (from what i read), but i think they lay it out more eloquently. @MsHarmony Do you know anything about evolution? I'm only asking not to discredit your knowledge if it is there, but if you don't know or understand what i mean by common ancestor, i believe that is a dead give away for me. Also, you said ID have not been disprove (which again you cannot disprove something that there is no evidence for), if you feel that way, why do you believe in ID (without the whole watchmaker talk/ KCA) that ID is more provable then anything outside it? @CowBoyGH I say this have everything to do with Jesus, because according to YEC, the earth is only 6000 years old more or less. If this is true, there is not enough time for evolution to occur, so that would negate the 600 years and show that we are not just a few generations from Adam and Eve. Thus, if Adam and Eve never existed (they bit the fruit), then original sin never existed. If original sin never existed, then he would've not died for our sins (there would be no reason to) and if he didn't the that would cancel out the tenets of Christianity. |
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Yes, I do feel I understand the english language fairly well. So I know what COMMON Means and ANCESTOR, and I can put the two together to come up with a fairly accurate definition of 'common ancestor'.
Obama is said to have a COMMON ANCESTOR with other presidents. MEaning they are in some way both related to the same person somewhere down their genetic history. yes, I do know what evolution is,, in biology: 3. Biology a. Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species. man has 'evolved' into several races through this process of 'evolution' biologically, although species and race can be interchanged or be totally different concepts depending upon the context of the conversation I believe in INTELLIGENT DESIGN, because I dont believe that the complex interdependence of living things or the complex system that runs the human body developed without any intelligence, or through a mere coincidence or accident,,,, |
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Yes, I do feel I understand the english language fairly well. So I know what COMMON Means and ANCESTOR, and I can put the two together to come up with a fairly accurate definition of 'common ancestor'. Obama is said to have a COMMON ANCESTOR with other presidents. MEaning they are in some way both related to the same person somewhere down their genetic history. yes, I do know what evolution is,, in biology: 3. Biology a. Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species. man has 'evolved' into several races through this process of 'evolution' biologically, although species and race can be interchanged or be totally different concepts depending upon the context of the conversation I believe in INTELLIGENT DESIGN, because I dont believe that the complex interdependence of living things or the complex system that runs the human body developed without any intelligence, or through a mere coincidence or accident,,,, K, so last part is Gods of the gaps, got the out the way. Secondly, when i said common ancestor i didn't mean the word literally of knowing the definition, i meant how it applies to evolution, exhibited in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSmTPThWD_c Also, i brought this up because i was watching a YouTube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2f_CZsXbyk&feature=player_detailpage#t=341s The above is a person who is a Christian who accepts it and knows it to be a fact (bravo for him), you can watch the whole thing if you want, i couldn't sit through it, the lack of knowledge is unbearable. |
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Edited by
CowboyGH
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Thu 08/25/11 08:51 PM
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I thing ..we as humans and this extends to other species as well..are proof of evolution.... two beings have sex make one new being with both traits evolution proved... so which evolved first, the chicken or the egg Well, that is explained a lot, through a lot of mutations of course the chicken evolved from reptile type species with no fur. So if you want to know the question literally, then the egg obviously came first. Source : http://en.allexperts.com/q/Evolution-3839/2008/7/evolution-chicken.htm All of this i figured anyway (from what i read), but i think they lay it out more eloquently. @MsHarmony Do you know anything about evolution? I'm only asking not to discredit your knowledge if it is there, but if you don't know or understand what i mean by common ancestor, i believe that is a dead give away for me. Also, you said ID have not been disprove (which again you cannot disprove something that there is no evidence for), if you feel that way, why do you believe in ID (without the whole watchmaker talk/ KCA) that ID is more provable then anything outside it? @CowBoyGH I say this have everything to do with Jesus, because according to YEC, the earth is only 6000 years old more or less. If this is true, there is not enough time for evolution to occur, so that would negate the 600 years and show that we are not just a few generations from Adam and Eve. Thus, if Adam and Eve never existed (they bit the fruit), then original sin never existed. If original sin never existed, then he would've not died for our sins (there would be no reason to) and if he didn't the that would cancel out the tenets of Christianity. Scientists believe the world is 4.5 to 4.6 billion years old and have evidence to back such a claim. But besides, that. Even if Adam and Eve never existed, why does that make Jesus' death no different then any other? Jesus died for our sins, notice SINS not SIN. This includes but not limited to, one's daily activity throughout the day. |
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I Accept it as fact that we are all related too. There are probably many christians who do. This makes sense to me
3. Are all species related? Yes. Just as the tree of life illustrates, all organisms, both living and extinct, are related. Every branch of the tree represents a species, and every fork separating one species from another represents the common ancestor shared by these species. While the tree's countless forks and far-reaching branches clearly show that relatedness among species varies greatly, it is also easy to see that every pair of species share a common ancestor from some point in evolutionary history. For example, scientists estimate that the common ancestor shared by humans and chimpanzees lived some 5 to 8 million years ago. Humans and bacteria obviously share a much more distant common ancestor, but our relationship to these single-celled organisms is no less real. Indeed, DNA analyses show that although humans share far more genetic material with our fellow primates than we do with single-celled organisms, we still have more than 200 genes in common with bacteria. read more at: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/faq/cat01.html |
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I thing ..we as humans and this extends to other species as well..are proof of evolution.... two beings have sex make one new being with both traits evolution proved... so which evolved first, the chicken or the egg Well, that is explained a lot, through a lot of mutations of course the chicken evolved from reptile type species with no fur. So if you want to know the question literally, then the egg obviously came first. Source : http://en.allexperts.com/q/Evolution-3839/2008/7/evolution-chicken.htm All of this i figured anyway (from what i read), but i think they lay it out more eloquently. @MsHarmony Do you know anything about evolution? I'm only asking not to discredit your knowledge if it is there, but if you don't know or understand what i mean by common ancestor, i believe that is a dead give away for me. Also, you said ID have not been disprove (which again you cannot disprove something that there is no evidence for), if you feel that way, why do you believe in ID (without the whole watchmaker talk/ KCA) that ID is more provable then anything outside it? @CowBoyGH I say this have everything to do with Jesus, because according to YEC, the earth is only 6000 years old more or less. If this is true, there is not enough time for evolution to occur, so that would negate the 600 years and show that we are not just a few generations from Adam and Eve. Thus, if Adam and Eve never existed (they bit the fruit), then original sin never existed. If original sin never existed, then he would've not died for our sins (there would be no reason to) and if he didn't the that would cancel out the tenets of Christianity. Scientists believe the world is 4.5 to 4.6 billion years old and have evidence to back such a claim. But besides, that. Even if Adam and Eve never existed, why does that make Jesus' death no different then any other? Jesus died for our sins, notice SINS not SIN. This includes but not limited to, one's daily activity throughout the day. Adam and Eve disobeyed God so they started "original sin", if they didn't start it, then the accounts for Genesis cannot be true. |
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I thing ..we as humans and this extends to other species as well..are proof of evolution.... two beings have sex make one new being with both traits evolution proved... so which evolved first, the chicken or the egg Well, that is explained a lot, through a lot of mutations of course the chicken evolved from reptile type species with no fur. So if you want to know the question literally, then the egg obviously came first. Source : http://en.allexperts.com/q/Evolution-3839/2008/7/evolution-chicken.htm All of this i figured anyway (from what i read), but i think they lay it out more eloquently. @MsHarmony Do you know anything about evolution? I'm only asking not to discredit your knowledge if it is there, but if you don't know or understand what i mean by common ancestor, i believe that is a dead give away for me. Also, you said ID have not been disprove (which again you cannot disprove something that there is no evidence for), if you feel that way, why do you believe in ID (without the whole watchmaker talk/ KCA) that ID is more provable then anything outside it? @CowBoyGH I say this have everything to do with Jesus, because according to YEC, the earth is only 6000 years old more or less. If this is true, there is not enough time for evolution to occur, so that would negate the 600 years and show that we are not just a few generations from Adam and Eve. Thus, if Adam and Eve never existed (they bit the fruit), then original sin never existed. If original sin never existed, then he would've not died for our sins (there would be no reason to) and if he didn't the that would cancel out the tenets of Christianity. Scientists believe the world is 4.5 to 4.6 billion years old and have evidence to back such a claim. But besides, that. Even if Adam and Eve never existed, why does that make Jesus' death no different then any other? Jesus died for our sins, notice SINS not SIN. This includes but not limited to, one's daily activity throughout the day. Adam and Eve disobeyed God so they started "original sin", if they didn't start it, then the accounts for Genesis cannot be true. ... don't get what you're get'n at. Yeah Adam and Eve committed the first sin. What exactly is your point? |
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I thing ..we as humans and this extends to other species as well..are proof of evolution.... two beings have sex make one new being with both traits evolution proved... so which evolved first, the chicken or the egg Well, that is explained a lot, through a lot of mutations of course the chicken evolved from reptile type species with no fur. So if you want to know the question literally, then the egg obviously came first. Source : http://en.allexperts.com/q/Evolution-3839/2008/7/evolution-chicken.htm All of this i figured anyway (from what i read), but i think they lay it out more eloquently. @MsHarmony Do you know anything about evolution? I'm only asking not to discredit your knowledge if it is there, but if you don't know or understand what i mean by common ancestor, i believe that is a dead give away for me. Also, you said ID have not been disprove (which again you cannot disprove something that there is no evidence for), if you feel that way, why do you believe in ID (without the whole watchmaker talk/ KCA) that ID is more provable then anything outside it? @CowBoyGH I say this have everything to do with Jesus, because according to YEC, the earth is only 6000 years old more or less. If this is true, there is not enough time for evolution to occur, so that would negate the 600 years and show that we are not just a few generations from Adam and Eve. Thus, if Adam and Eve never existed (they bit the fruit), then original sin never existed. If original sin never existed, then he would've not died for our sins (there would be no reason to) and if he didn't the that would cancel out the tenets of Christianity. Scientists believe the world is 4.5 to 4.6 billion years old and have evidence to back such a claim. But besides, that. Even if Adam and Eve never existed, why does that make Jesus' death no different then any other? Jesus died for our sins, notice SINS not SIN. This includes but not limited to, one's daily activity throughout the day. Adam and Eve disobeyed God so they started "original sin", if they didn't start it, then the accounts for Genesis cannot be true. ... don't get what you're get'n at. Yeah Adam and Eve committed the first sin. What exactly is your point? Jesus offers forgiveness of ALL our sins, not just that one. This would include but not limited to, lying, stealing something, fighting, ect ect. |
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If you don't accept evolution why is that? Also, if you do, especially for a Christian how does that coincide with original sin (considering there would be no need for Adam and Eve)? Also that would dismantle the need for Jesus to die on the cross. Thanks for the responses to come. Evolution has been demonstrated beyond question IMHO I accept it I do not believe in original sin Has nothing to do with Adam and Eve Jesus did not need to die on the cross with or without evolution so evolution has nothing at all to do with it |
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