ITs a catch 22 question,, because for those christians who dont believe in evolution as it concerns being from some animal/human hybrid there will be immediate rebuttal/dispute from science lovers who will insist it is proven that we are or that to not believe so is illogical, or crazy,, or whatever

I dont believe that apes and people EVOLVED from the same being, I Think they were both CREATED, by intelligent design...and came from the same 'PLACE',,but not from the same 'creature'

It is interesting that the theory of evolution has, itself, evolved and is continuing to do so. Originally, natural selection was the whole ball game. The weaker didn't breed and the stronger did to leave stronger offspring. Nitches were filled. Necks grew to reach higher branches, etc. The whole theory could be described as "survival of the fittest" as a form of "natural selection".

There are semantics involved now with the definition of natural selection. Some, like me, think that if you breed great danes to the point where they look like chihuahuas, natural selection was not involved so evolution was not involved. It is simply an experiment by man using biology as a tool.

Evolution is also changes that were NOT caused by "natural selection", the changes were just random. Radiation and other factors cause a constant change in genes that can pass traits on to the new generation also. Molecular biologists have stolen the show in recent times to show the constant changes that have occurred in the human genome due to this effect.

There are some posts here that negate inter species breeding as a form of evolution. However, with the recent ability to quickly analyze the genome of a species, some surprising points have been discovered. Modern humans are the result of interbreeding with other species long ago. Depending upon where your recent ancestors are from, you have a percentage of genes from other hominids that were not homo sapiens. These species would include Denisovans and Neanderthals.

As far as God is concerned. If you believe in God, what is wrong with believing that scientific evolution is his way of making it happen?

What place is that?

For christians, it is God, Gods inteligence, and whatever 'place' he chose to create us from,,,

My point in the OP was if evolution by natural selection occurred and we're a common ancestor that evolved from a decedent of great apes, that would cancel out Adam and Eve,

That's not what I would consider "evolution" from one species to another.

ah, but it is a study in the evolutionary process. evolution is not only about species evolving into other species. it's very much about how species transform in to sub species in order to survive in various climates. polar bears have hollow hairs that a brown bear doesn't have for insulation, for instance.

Yes, that is indeed very interesting. I think those kinds of changes requires changes in DNA.

Yes, that requires changes in the DNA. But those changes are not mediated by mysterious beams of energy! With sexual reproduction, every offspring has a new set of genes that has never before existed in that particular combination. That's a change in the DNA sequence. In term of the relationship between DNA nad morphology, there is absolutely no evidence of any meaningful or relevant 'changes in DNA' other than the well known existence of changes in the sequence and/or number of base pairs. (Which includes large scale additions or subtractions of genes, including missing and extra chromosomes).


Not that you suggested otherwise, but I've been hearing this from other recently so I want to be clear: The fact that evolution requires 'changes in the DNA' does not mean that fringe theories of 'changes due to energy beams', or, as I recently read, 'changes due to vibrations' have any validity.

The changes we know of are chemical, and occur through chemical means (which includes the activities of viruses, cell division, gamete production, various enzymes, and more - but those all come down to chemical reactions).

I have actually read some stuff about how environment and stimuli can create or change DNA

, a discovery by a scientist (a cellular biologist) about cells. I don't think this is something that academia has accepted or acknowledges

but I suspect there are a lot of things that are not acknowledged by academia and main-stream science. I would certainly not rule anything out.

If life emerged from apparent inanimate material anything is possible.

To state that this cannot happen because of some "mysterious beams of energy" is an opinion.

Yes, that requires changes in the DNA. But those changes are not mediated by mysterious beams of energy!

If life emerged from apparent inanimate material anything is possible.

Things are only mysterious when we don't know everything about them.

That is pretty vague. I, personally, don't see any conflict between evolution and Christianity. Most of the people I have discussed it with don't either.

I dont have a problem with MOST of it either, the idea that living things were created with ability to adapt and evolve or not adapt and die off...


I have a problem with the idea that humans and apes are somehow related beyond the initial belief that we were both created by the creator,,,

So what if we are "related" to apes....? so what if we evolved from the same point at some point? Why is that a problem for you? I mean, why do you have a problem with that?

Notice.....In Genesis, God created all the birds of

the air,all the animals, and

everything else...BEFORE God made man in His Image.....


THEN God gave man DOMINION over All the animals , etc....


Point is..scriptures did not say God created man AND ape in His

Image...but only man in His Own Image.