Yep. Most people who rant about evolution are atheists who believe that everything is random and life was just an accident and they make fun of anyone who believes anything else.

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That was a Russian scientist and the chicken eggs did not turn into ducks. They were more half duck, and half chicken. Their bills were flatter, their heads looked more like a duck than a chicken and their feet were a little bit webbed. It was done with mild microwaves.

No ducks were harmed in the experiment.

The other experiment was frog embryos that actually were transformed into salamanders... completely.

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This guy, David Wilcox was your source.

Actually, they were not changed into other creatures. The report isn't true. Energy beams can't rewrite dna code anymore than they can rewrite a textbook. I would give David Wilcox some credit for being entertaining, but he doesn't provide anything remotely resembling facts.

Possible. He did name the scientists. You can google if you want. If you find anything let me know. I wrote down the names of the scientists but I can't find them right now and I have not looked it up. David Wilcox does name scientists and other sources, but not all of them are impressive or embraced by academia.

I did see some pictures of the weird chickens... but that probably isn't proof enough of anything.

Any energy beam of sufficient power to break the DNA strands in the number of places required would kill the organism. And while a DNA strand could be broken by energy, it can't be repaired with genes of choice using the same technique. It would be like doing heart surgery with a machine gun.

My point is, something causes evolution and I'm not sure anyone really knows how that happens.

The insect eating wall lizard rapidly evolved into a different lizard that lives on plants when moved from one environment to another and within only in 35 years.

So yes, I totally believe in evolution.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080421-lizard-evolution.html

But I don't agree with common evolutionists that life was just a random accident.

I think that kind of thinking is jumping the gun with an assumption.

I believe the universe is alive and intelligent.

I think life emerges spontaneously all the time and all throughout the universe.

...and it has been doing that for a very long time and will continue to do that for a very long time.

That is what you believe. But if this experiment truly happened, then you are simply looking at it the wrong way or you don't know what they did.

To just state that it is impossible is not scientific. You have not even investigated to see if it even really happened.

Did you get the name of the scientists and look them up?

A lot of the finer points of evolution are well understood. That doesn't mean there isn't more to know. Many genes recently thought to be redundant or useless have been found to have complex functions.

Basic evolution is caused by natural selection, radiation and environment gradually over long periods, random errors in gene duplication, and inter specie breeding.

I did find this page interesting:


..Summarizing all these realizations, one comes to a perfectly new form of the genetic engineering, possibly even to a new gene therapy.

Concerning this Pjotr Garjajev writes: »The majority tries to understand the principles of the DNA biological computer by appointing oneself exclusively to the DNA Watson Crick Chargaff rules: A-T, G-C. That is correct, but it is so not enough! The DNA chromosomale continuum in living systems has wave attributes, which lets us derive the unknown, a computer-similar program for the setting up of the organisms. The well-known genetic code is a code for protein synthesis and nothing further. Chromosomes in vivo work as solitonic holographic computers under use of the endogenous DNA laser radiation.«

This sounds like science of the 21st century and probably is. But don't forget: Garjajevs statements are founded scientifically in theory and experiment.

http://www.fosar-bludorf.com/archiv/biochip_eng.htm

Nothing in that "paper", and I use the term loosely, came anywhere near being science. It sounded more like the ramblings of someone who overdosed on LSD.

DNA programming

The most astonishing experiment that was performed by Garjajev’s group is the reprogramming of the DNA codon sequences using modulated laser light. From their discovered grammatical syntax of the DNA language they were able to modulate coherent laser light and even radio waves and add semantics (meaning) to the carrier wave. In this way they were able to reprogram in vivo DNA in living organisms, by using the correct resonant frequencies of DNA. The most impressive discovery made so far is that spoken language can be modulated to the carrier wave with the same reprogramming effect. Now this is a baffling and stunning scientific discovery! Our own DNA can simply be reprogrammed by human speech, supposing that the words are modulated on the correct carrier frequencies!

Whereas western science uses complicated bio chemical processes to cut and paste DNA triplets in the DNA molecule, Russian scientist use modulated laser light to do exactly the same thing. The Russians have proven to be very successful in repairing damaged DNA material in vivo!

Laser light therapies based on Garjajev’s findings are already applied in some European academic hospitals with success on various sorts of skin cancer. The cancer is cured without any remaining scars.
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Emotions

Daniel Winter and his heart coherence team have found proof that human emotions can reprogram DNA as well. The sonic beatings of the heart in rhythm with our feelings, our emotions, are transformed into electromagnetic energy in the body’s glands that act like piezoelectric couplers creating smaller electromagnetic counterpart wavelengths of the emotional sounds of the heart. The emotion becomes energy in motion, e-motion, sending it right down to the DNA of every cell of our body as blue coherent laser light that is able to modulate the DNA codons just like the lasers of the Russians did.

On close examination from the top view of the DNA it has a dodecahedron shape. It takes ten Phi spirals to create the dodecahedral helical shape of the DNA spiral. The DNA molecule as a wave shape is attuned to the heart and able to receive its sonic emotions. Daniel Winter explains the implosion of long waves into short waves as the mechanism that conveys the emotions of the heart to our DNA. The scale (wavelength) is different but the ratio of the wavelengths is the same maintaining the Golden Mean ratio. Not only do emotions feed our DNA with blue ultraviolet light, but also cellular metabolism, the consumption of food, is all about creating short wave blue light that feeds our DNA. Plants receive this light directly from the Sun using chlorophyll in their leaves and use a process called photosynthesis to bind the photons of the Sun. Animals consuming these plants get these bio photons indirectly from plants, the accumulation however has become less effective. Eventually the coherent light of the Sun is stored as bio photons in the organism. The purpose of the metabolisms in both plants and animals is to create highly coherent ultraviolet laser light inside the DNA that drives cell replication.

Many studies have revealed that there is a clear relation between our mental and emotional state and our health. People who suffer from depression and negative emotions for long periods will eventually suffer damage to their physical health as well. Have you noticed that the one who talks the most about a disease often is the one who eventually gets it? Fear is a very negative emotion that does not benefit health. Scientific studies have proven that no matter how well babies are fed, when they lack the caressing and loving touch of their mothers they could eventually die! The loving hugs of the mother are sent right down to the DNA of the baby!

Daniel Winter makes it abundantly clear that our emotions program our DNA and shape the immune system of our cells. Negative emotions destroy the coherence of the immune system while positive emotions enhance it. According to Winter the healthiest thing to do is to have as much bliss and ecstasy as possible in our lives since it is the healthiest emotion, which in the long run gives us longevity.

http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/SODA_chapter9.html

I guess that is just your opinion. Pjotr Garjajev is a scientist. He worked with a team.

The Russians are doing some pretty amazing things that our own scientists are scoffing at. That, to me, is not being a good scientist.

In fact our own scientific community has been suppressing new discoveries and information. More on this later.

My brain is just bleeding now.

MUTATIONS - the severe problems for "Darwinian Evolution" theory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovRq_xbCOXo

Long periods? Not always. Evolution of a particular species can happen quite fast.

Recent work on the Galapagos Islands by the Princeton University biologists Peter and Rosemary Grant revealed something far more startling than the slow evolution of beak sizes. The Grants caught and banded thousands of finches and traced their elaborate lineage, enabling them to document the changes that individual species make in reaction to the environment. During prolonged drought, for instance, beaks may become longer and sharper, to reach the tiniest of seeds. Here is the problem: We are talking about thousands of birds, not millions. We are talking about beaks that change over periods of years, not thousands of years. How can evolution proceed so quickly?

http://www.learner.org/courses/physics/unit/text.html?unit=9&secNum=6

You better see a doctor then.

The title of your thread is "Theists who believe in evolution" then you ask the question "If you don't accept evolution why is that?"

(1. Evolution has nothing to do with "original sin.")

(2. I don't see any connection to Jesus either.)

So, it appears that you are not so much a student or scientist of evolution as you are someone who seeks to question Christianity or maybe some other kind of belief in God.

It is clear that evolution happens, but Darwinian evolution has some problems.

When they (the scientists) get it all figured out, (if ever) then I will spend some time on the details.

Meanwhile, using Darwin to promote atheism is just pointless.

Its not productive either.

Do evolutionary scientists actually have any solid proof of one species changing into another species?

I tried to tell you about the frogs eggs that hatched as a salamander but you said you did not believe that. You said you did not believe the chicken to duck experiment happened either.

So where is Darwinian proof that evolution resulted in one species actually changing into another? Do scientists have actual irrefutable proof of that?

Can you get your brain to stop bleeding long enough to actually post something useful?

My brain is bleeding too!