maybe it's just me action, sometimes i like to read posts that make me think of both sides of a coin. this thread did at times raise some questions, and i did have to look for answers. i didn't realize that some people would post on utube just to satisfy their need to troll. then i would come back to read the same people bringing up the same issues brought up and proven wrong time after time. i used to like merry go rounds. someone posted that it may not have been a formal controlled demolition, than right after posted the same issue about bombs. i guess it was an informal controlled demolition. if new issues were raised and then challenged, this thread would be interesting

See the Wiki article and extended reference chain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks



The September 11 attacks were carried out by 19 hijackers affiliated with al-Qaeda. The hijackers were organized into four teams, each led by a pilot-trained hijacker and with three or four "muscle hijackers", who were trained to help subdue the pilots, passengers, and crew.

The first hijackers to arrive in the United States were Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, who settled in the San Diego area in January 2000. They were followed by three hijacker-pilots, Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, and Ziad Jarrah early in the summer of 2000 to undertake flight training in south Florida. The fourth hijacker-pilot, Hani Hanjour, arrived in San Diego in December 2000. The rest of the "muscle hijackers" arrived in the spring and early summer of 2001.
Contents
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1 Background
2 Selection
2.1 "Muscle" hijackers
3 Hijacked aircraft
3.1 American Airlines Flight 11
3.2 United Airlines Flight 175
3.3 American Airlines Flight 77
3.4 United Airlines Flight 93
4 Investigation
4.1 Pre attacks
4.2 Attacks
5 Cases of mistaken identity
6 See also
7 Notes
8 References
9 External links

Background

The 2001 attacks were preceded by the less well known Bojinka plot which was planned in the Philippines by Ramzi Yousef (of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing) and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. Its objective was to blow up twelve airliners[1] and their approximately 4,000 passengers as they flew from Asia to the United States. The plan included crashing a plane into the CIA headquarters, leading credence that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed evolved this plot into the September 11 attacks[2] The plot was disrupted in January 1995 after a chemical fire drew philipino police attention, resulting in the arrest of one terrorist and seizure of a laptop containing the plans. One person was killed in the course of the plot — a Japanese passenger seated near a nitroglycerin bomb on Philippine Airlines Flight 434.[3] The money handed down to the plotters originated from Al-Qaeda, the international Islamic jihadi organization then based in Sudan.

Selection

Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were both experienced and respected jihadists in the eyes of al-Qaeda leader, Osama bin Laden. Mihdhar and Hazmi both had prior experience fighting in Bosnia, and had trained during the 1990s at camps in Afghanistan.[4] When Bin Laden committed to the September 11 attacks plot idea, he assigned both Mihdhar and Hazmi to the plot.[5] Both were so eager to participate in operations within the United States, that they obtained visas in April 1999.[6] Once selected, Mihdhar and Hazmi were sent to the Mes Aynak training camp in Afghanistan. In late 1999, Hazmi, Attash, and Yemeni went to Karachi, Pakistan to see Mohammed, who instructed them on Western culture and travel; however, Mihdhar did not go to Karachi, instead returned to Yemen.[5]
[edit] "Muscle" hijackers

Mihdhar and Hazmi were also potential pilot hijackers, but did not do well in their initial pilot lessons in San Diego. Both were kept on as "muscle" hijackers, who would help overpower the passengers and crew, and allow the pilot hijackers to take control of the flights. In addition to Mihdhar and Hazmi, thirteen other muscle hijackers were selected in late 2000 or early 2001. All were from Saudi Arabia, with the exception of Fayez Banihammad, who was from the United Arab Emirates.

Hijacked aircraft
American Airlines Flight 11
Main article: American Airlines Flight 11

Hijackers: Mohamed Atta (Egyptian), Waleed al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian), Wail al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian), Abdulaziz al-Omari (Saudi Arabian), Satam al-Suqami (Saudi Arabian).[7]

Two flight attendants called the American Airlines reservation desk during the hijacking. Betty Ong reported that "the four hijackers had come from first-class seats: 2A, 2B, 9A, and 9B."[8] Flight attendant Amy Sweeney called a flight services manager at Logan Airport in Boston and described them as Middle Eastern.[8] She gave the staff the seat numbers and they pulled up the ticket and credit card information of the hijackers, identifying Mohamed Atta.[9]

Mohamed Atta was heard speaking over the air traffic control system, broadcasting messages he intended for the passengers.[10]
“ We have some planes. Just stay quiet and you'll be okay. We are returning to the airport.

Nobody move. Everything will be okay. If you try to make any moves, you'll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay quiet.

Nobody move please. We are going back to the airport. Don't try to make any stupid moves.
”
United Airlines Flight 175
Main article: United Airlines Flight 175

Hijackers: Marwan al-Shehhi (United Arab Emirati), Fayez Banihammad (United Arab Emirati), Mohand al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian), Hamza al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian), Ahmed al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian).[7]

A United Airlines mechanic was called by a flight attendant who stated the crew had been murdered and the plane hijacked.[11]
[edit] American Airlines Flight 77
Main article: American Airlines Flight 77

Hijackers: Hani Hanjour (Saudi Arabian), Khalid al-Mihdhar (Saudi Arabian), Majed Moqed (Saudi Arabian), Nawaf al-Hazmi (Saudi Arabian), Salem al-Hazmi (Saudi Arabian).[7]

Two hijackers, Hani Hanjour and Majed Moqed were identified by clerks as having bought single, first-class tickets for Flight 77 from Advance Travel Service in Totowa, New Jersey with $1,842.25 in cash.[8] Renee May, a flight attendant on Flight 77, used a cell phone to call her mother in Las Vegas. She said her flight was being hijacked by six individuals who had moved them to the rear of the plane. Unlike the other flights, there was no report of stabbings or bomb threats. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, it is possible that pilots were not killed and were sent to the rear of the plane.[12] Passenger Barbara Olson called her husband, Theodore Olson, the Solicitor General of the United States, stating the flight had been hijacked and the hijackers had knives and box cutters.[13] Two of the passengers had been on the FBI's terrorist-alert list: Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi.

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United Airlines Flight 93
Main article: United Airlines Flight 93

Hijackers: Ziad Jarrah (Lebanese), Ahmed al-Haznawi (Saudi Arabian), Ahmed al-Nami (Saudi Arabian), Saeed al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian).[7]

Passenger Jeremy Glick stated that the hijackers were Arabic-looking, wearing red headbands, and carrying knives.[15][16]

Hijacker Ziad Jarrah also mistakenly broadcast messages intended for passengers over the air traffic control system:
“ Ladies and gentlemen. This is the captain. Please sit down. Keep remaining sitting. We have a bomb on board. So sit.

[...]

Uh, this is the captain. Would like you all to remain seated. There is a bomb aboard and are going back to the airport, and to have our demands met. Please remain quiet.[17]
”

Jarrah is also heard on the cockpit voice recorder.[18] In addition, DNA samples submitted by his girlfriend were matched to remains recovered in Shanksville.[19]

Investigation
Pre attacks
"we've got to tell the Bureau about this. These guys clearly are bad. One of them, at least, has a multiple-entry visa to the U.S. We've got to tell the FBI." . . . And then [the CIA official] said to me, "No, it's not the FBI's case, not the FBI's jurisdiction." - Mark Rossini, PBS Frontline interview[20]

Before the attacks, FBI agent Robert Wright, Jr. had written vigorous criticisms of FBI's alleged incompetence in investigating terrorists residing within the United States. Wright was part of the Bureau's Chicago counter-terrorism task force and involved in project Vulgar Betrayal which was linked to Yasin al-Qadi.[21]

According to James Bamford, the NSA had picked up communications of al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi back in 1999, but had been hampered by internal bureaucratic conflicts between itself and the CIA, and did not do a full analysis of the information it passed on to the agency. For example; it only passed the first names on, Nawaf and Khalid.[22]

Bamford also claims that the CIA's Alec Station (a unit assigned to bin Laden) knew that al-Mihdhar was planning to come to New York as far back as January 2000. Doug Miller, one of 3 FBI agents working inside the CIA station, tried to send a message (a CIR) to the FBI to alert them about this, so they could put al-Mihdhar on a watch list. His CIA boss, Tom Wilshire, deputy station chief, allegedly denied permission to Miller. Miller asked his associate Mark Rossini for advice; Rossini pressed Wilshire's deputy but was again rebuffed.[23][24]

Bamford also claims that al-Mihdhar and Hazmi wound up living with Abdussattar Shaikh for a time to save money. Shaikh was, coincidentally, an FBI informant, but since they never acted suspiciously around him, he never reported them. The CIA Bangkok station told Alec Station that Hazmi had gone to Los Angeles. None of this information made it back to the FBI headquarters.[25]

Attacks

Within minutes of the attacks, the Federal Bureau of Investigation opened the largest FBI investigation in United States history, operation PENTTBOM. The suspects were identified within 72 hours because few made any attempt to disguise their names on flight and credit card records. They were also among the few non-U.S. citizens and nearly the only passengers with Arabic names on their flights, enabling the FBI to identify them and in many cases such details as dates of birth, known or possible residences, visa status, and specific identification of the suspected pilots.[26] On September 27, 2001 the FBI released photos of the 19 hijackers, along with information about many of their possible nationalities and aliases.[27] All the suspected hijackers were from Saudi Arabia (fifteen hijackers), United Arab Emirates (two hijackers), Lebanon (one hijacker) and Egypt (one hijacker).

The passport of Satam al-Suqami was reportedly recovered "a few blocks from where the World Trade Center's twin towers once stood";[28][29] a passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the towers collapsed. The passports of two other hijackers, Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al-Ghamdi, were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines Flight 93 in Pennsylvania, and a fourth passport, that of Abdulaziz al-Omari was recovered from luggage that did not make it onto American Airlines Flight 11.[30]

According to the 9/11 Commission Report, 26 al-Qaeda terrorist conspirators sought to enter the United States to carry out a suicide mission. In the end, the FBI reported that there were 19 hijackers in all: five on three of the flights, and four on the fourth. On September 14, three days after the attacks, the FBI announced the names of 19 persons.[26] After a controversy about an earlier remark, U.S. Homeland Secretary Janet Napolitano stated in May 2009 that the 9/11 Commission found that none of the hijackers entered the United States through Canada.[31]

Nawaf al-Hazmi and Hani Hanjour, attended the Dar al-Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Virginia in early April 2001 where radical Imam Anwar al-Awlaki preached. Through interviews with the FBI, it was discovered that Awlaki had previously met Nawaf al-Hazmi several times while the two lived in San Diego. At the time, Hazmi was living with Khalid al-Mihdhar, another 9/11 hijacker.[32]
[edit] Cases of mistaken identity

Shortly after the attacks and before the FBI had released the pictures of all the hijackers, several reports appeared claiming that some of the men named as hijackers on 9/11 were alive, and were feared to have been victims of identity theft.[33][34][35] However, these cases turned out to be instances of mistaken identity.[36][37]

See also

9/11 conspiracy theories
20th hijacker
Operation Bojinka
2001 anthrax attacks
Taliban
War on Terrorism
War in Afghanistan (2001–present)

Yeah, this thread stopped being a discussion long ago. Some of us have tried to discuss and inform, but there are a few people that just want to reject everything without any give or take. And then they present altered and edited videos from youtube as evidence. If you want to find the truth, you have to watch the full original unadulterated video so everything can be taken in proper context. Meanwhile, I've been reading official reports, educational analyses, watching original videos, researching science, and so on. Yet, I've been told that my thoughts and opinions don't count because I haven't been researching conspiracy theories for 30 years.

There is no way to know if there was any "shred of evidence" of supporting bombs in the building or a demolition because when asked if they looked for evidence of bombs or explosions, NIST stated that they DID NOT EVEN LOOK.

So of course they did not find any. That is what I would call very shoddy investigation.

We all saw the perfect way the buildings fell, even building #7 which was not struck by a plane. That was very precise.

The first attack on the World Trad Center, supposedly by the same group, was done with bombs. Why do you supposed they would decide this time that all they needed was planes on this second attack when driving a truck with a bomb was apparently so easy?

Since bombs were used in the first attack on the World Trade Center, why on earth would NISA decide not to look for evidence of explosives this time? Who made that decision?

Seriously how can you justify that?

This question has been answered a hundred times. The "explosives theory" is by far the dumbest and easiest to disprove of all the 9/11 conspiracy garbage. The real question is why do you keep posting the same crap over and over and over? You have no knowledge of what it takes to make a building fall or how it happens when it does. Are you just a Bush hater like some of the others?

Really slowhnd? How can anyone take this kind of "story" seriously when the FBI admitted that they did not have any evidence that connected Osama Bin Laden to the attack of the World Trade Center?

The statement above is a fairy tale or some fiction out of someone's mind. How would anyone know what was seen "in the eyes of al-Qaeda Leader, Osama Bin Laden? How does anyone just assume that Bin Laden assigned Mihdhar and Hazmi to the plot?

Have you looked into the alleged flight training schools in Florida and discovered how they were fraudulent airlines and schools all owned by the same people?


It’s a testament to the power of America’s biggest taboo that drug connections between terrorist hijacker Mohamed Atta and the owner of the U.S. flight school Atta called home have never even been addressed.



You might be interested in reading "Welcome to Terrorland," (Venice Florida) By Daniel Hopsicker

Read the first chapter: http://www.madcowprod.com/appendix/01.pdf

Metalwing, NIST stated that they did not even look for evidence of explosives.

That question has NOT been answered.

If no one even looked for evidence of explosives, how can that theory be the easiest to disprove?

Why do you keep posting the same non-information crap over and over?

Why do you think I have to have knowledge of how a building can fall? That is not even the point. The point is, they did not even LOOK for signs of explosives simply because they were convinced that the planes alone caused the building to fall.

So freaking what? I don't care IF that is even possible. I don't believe it is, but it does not even matter.

That is still NO REASON to NOT investigate the crime and look for signs of explosives when so many people (witnesses) claimed to hear explosions before and after the planes hit.

That is simply bad investigation. It is NOT acceptable.

It's actually quite astounding, this section was skipped over. I guess because it makes sense and no holes can be poked in it, conspiracy theorist have no use for it. No problem, you Bush haters keep looking, it's been over 10 years now.........lol

And what if by some miracle you can actually break the laws of physics and show everyone that it was indeed an inside job? Then what? What good will it do? Will it bring people back? Will it change the fact that it happened? I don't get it.

All of your theories have been explained, yet you come back with, "You'll see! or Your blind to keep feeding off the stories they are feeding you!" Offer me a concrete reason to believe. Prove me wrong. Not with opinion, but with fact.

Until you have absolute proof, you have absolute theory which equates to absolute opinion, which probably equates absolute bs.

Apparently all of "your theories" have not been explained good enough Peccy. The only people who actually buy those explanatios are the people who believe all the propaganda.

I have read the 9-11 commission report, AND the Popular Mechanics book debunking conspiracies (which was only 170 pages)... and they read like fiction, opinions or story telling, not like any kind of evidence.

Is it that they expect people to believe something just because it appears in print or is spewed all over the media?

I have read the book debunking the debunking book and it is more believable, written more intelligently and is more unbiased. It is also more than twice as detailed. If you have not read both sides of the story you can't really have much of an opinion.

Tell that to the 9-11 commission.

Um, Jeannie....no offense here, but perhaps if you gave some quotes and references from the Popular Mechanics book to provide some context, others might not be so quick to discard what you are saying. Thus far, I have not seen you bring up quotes from that book to help you qualify your assessment of it. It might help.

One thing you have to remember about Popular Mechanics is "popular", meaning it is written for the general population, not a bunch of scientists and engineers. Professionals may read the magazine, but there are trade journals which often go into much greater technical detail than Popular Mechanics typically does.

Did the 911 commission ever address building 7?

How about an example of your altered YOu tubes ?

911 Commission - Trans. Sec Norman Mineta Testimony testifies

MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And --

WaTCH it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y

I am done with this... there is no talking to you Truthers. You are just regurgitating the same stuff with a slightly different slant each time. And you claim to have read the entire 9-11 (both sides) completely without bias. Uh huh.

No matter how it is explained to you, you are not capable of understanding.

The heat from the burning fuel was more than sufficient to bring the building down in exactly the way it fell.

The time for the building to fall is as expected from the heat and damage.

IF explosives were used, they would have to be placed on the exterior columns of the building and the actual explosions would be visible in the video. This did not happen.

For explosives to be effective to "bring the building down all at once" they would have to go off all at once, and no report of the "explosions heard" indicated this event occurring. Only odd "explosion like" noises were heard at random which is indicative of structural building load redistribution, not explosives.

The heat failure of the trusses caused the exterior columns to fail which IS visible in the video footage of the buildings.

What is your real angle? It is not humanly possible to be this dense. Do you just need attention?

Your only response is that you think I don't "understand?"

Metal, while it is certainly not your job to try to "educate" or "inform" people about what you think is true, it is also not my job to educate you about what I think is true. Your only approach is to imply that I "don't understand."

The truth is, I just don't buy it. That's right. I am not convinced, and I do not believe it. I am an investigator and I know B.S. and propaganda when I see it.

If you really want to know more about why people don't believe the official 9-11 story you should read some of David Ray Griffin's books or some of journalist's Danial Hopsicker's articles and books.

You should compare the official 9-11 commission report to some alternative information and facts. Neither the 9-11 commission or NIST are "independent" agencies. Neither of these groups sought truth. They both began with the assumption that the attack was carried out by Al-Qaeda and anything that suggested otherwise was ignored or covered up. That is very clear when you read both sides.

I don't think you will bother to really read both sides, (and you will probably claim you did already) but it is clear you have not. But it is not my concern to educate you. You have already taken sides and you don't really want to know anything that might cast doubt on your position and belief.

Yea there is. Evidence of the explosions would be in videos of the building right before it collapsed. There were non. People would have had to be in the building for weeks planting explosives on just about all floors, ripping out walls, etc. None of that was reported. Demolitions collapse from the bottom. This did not.