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 There is so much evidence that Al-Qaida terrorists brought the WTC towers down on 911 and no evidence at all to the contrary! It's more like the other way around I'm afraid. al queada admitted responsibility for 911. where's this 'other way around' evidence of which you speak? not the personal innuendo you've been spouting. actual evidence. If you want it bad enough you can find it, I won't do your work for you, especially if you're just gonna take a crap on it. No point. I have better things to do than waste time on someone who isn't gonna listen. the faithful say the same thing in the religious forum. they make claims and say they won't substantiate their claims by doing any work. say they won't waste there time because i won't listen. but i'll always listen to evidence but nobody will do the work to provide the evindence that might go towards proving their claim. the burden of proof that they inherited when they made the claim in the first place. no worries though. i'll just consider your 'theory' to be on par with the 'theory' of creation as credibility goes. |
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Personally I don't know how these conspiracy theories got started other than people with time on their hands.
We have one of the attackers who proudly admits they did it. Al Queda said it was their men. People just don't listen I guess. They must be French. The French mostly believe in conspiracy theories. Gullible. |
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I thought i remembered seeing the crash on tv. hmmm Either you remember seeing the 2ND plane hit which WAS on TV live, or you saw the first one secondhand later. But it was NOT shown live. i already posted a live cnn feed that showed it... they didn't wait a day like JB said... they showed it before the second plane it... Well either way, it was still AFTER the fact. And anyway Bush still couldn't have seen it, since by then he was already in the classroom with the kids. So either Bush misspoke, or he lied. Knowing the track record of our government, I'd guess it was the latter. Well duh its after the fact. You think they are gonna show the plane hit it before it hits? Like a reporter from the future traveled back in time and played the footage before the attacks? |
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I thought i remembered seeing the crash on tv. hmmm Either you remember seeing the 2ND plane hit which WAS on TV live, or you saw the first one secondhand later. But it was NOT shown live. i already posted a live cnn feed that showed it... they didn't wait a day like JB said... they showed it before the second plane it... The earliest possible publication of any video of the first plane hitting the towers was that evening and the next day. That morning, before Bush was told about the second plane, there was no video of the first plane hitting the tower shown on ANY TV NETWORK. He could not possibly have seen a video of the first plane hitting the tower. TWICE he told that story. Not once, but TWICE. DUH!! BUT that morning before he went into the classroom he had a security briefing. If he saw a video of the first plane hitting the tower at that time, then it was a video taken by someone who KNEW IN ADVANCE that the tower attack was going to happen, and was there to video tape it. DUH!! That doesnt mean the government itself did not have access to the footage does it? I mean if people want to believe they are so powerful they planned it themselves I wouldn't think they would have a hard time getting footage before anyone else. |
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BUT that morning before he went into the classroom he had a security briefing. If he saw a video of the first plane hitting the tower at that time, then it was a video taken by someone who KNEW IN ADVANCE that the tower attack was going to happen, and was there to video tape it. DUH!! Great point, in a way the statement shows his hand if one is paying attention. Yes it does. And the devil IS IN THE DETAILS. That is how Matlock wins all of his cases, and that is how Jessica in Murder she wrote catches all the murderers! The details. Don't overlook or ignore the details. My question is, did your wonderful de-bunking special address this little detail at all? I bet if they did they just shrugged and called it another stupid mistake or slip of the tongue by Bush. Yep it sure was a slip... a big slip. Why on earth would he say he saw the first plane hit the tower on a television if he had not seen it? And why did he say he saw it .."in the lobby or somewhere..." BECAUSE ....He saw it in his security briefing. He was telling people what he saw in a top secret SECURITY BRIEFING! At least he was not stupid enough to say that he saw it in a security briefing. He said he saw it ... in the lobby or something...:  HOW DUMB IS THAT? HOW DUMB ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO SHRUG THAT OFF? GEEEEZE. I feel like I live in a world of lunatics and morons. Even if the saw it in a briefing the event was public knowledge when he talked about it and thus the clearance level is moot. I have a clearance and when I worked on stuff in our secured lab I could talk about it as long as the information itself was not still classified. |
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There is so much evidence that Al-Qaida terrorists brought the WTC towers down on 911 and no evidence at all to the contrary! It's more like the other way around I'm afraid. al queada admitted responsibility for 911. where's this 'other way around' evidence of which you speak? not the personal innuendo you've been spouting. actual evidence. If you want it bad enough you can find it, I won't do your work for you, especially if you're just gonna take a crap on it. No point. I have better things to do than waste time on someone who isn't gonna listen. Yes when you want something bad enough and throw away actual science then almost anything becomes a possibility. Thats how Scientology started. |
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Edited by
mightymoe
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Thu 08/04/11 07:51 AM
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BUT that morning before he went into the classroom he had a security briefing. If he saw a video of the first plane hitting the tower at that time, then it was a video taken by someone who KNEW IN ADVANCE that the tower attack was going to happen, and was there to video tape it. DUH!! Great point, in a way the statement shows his hand if one is paying attention. Yes it does. And the devil IS IN THE DETAILS. That is how Matlock wins all of his cases, and that is how Jessica in Murder she wrote catches all the murderers! The details. Don't overlook or ignore the details. My question is, did your wonderful de-bunking special address this little detail at all? I bet if they did they just shrugged and called it another stupid mistake or slip of the tongue by Bush. Yep it sure was a slip... a big slip. Why on earth would he say he saw the first plane hit the tower on a television if he had not seen it? And why did he say he saw it .."in the lobby or somewhere..." BECAUSE ....He saw it in his security briefing. He was telling people what he saw in a top secret SECURITY BRIEFING! At least he was not stupid enough to say that he saw it in a security briefing. He said he saw it ... in the lobby or something...: HOW DUMB IS THAT? HOW DUMB ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO SHRUG THAT OFF? GEEEEZE. I feel like I live in a world of lunatics and morons. lol, i feel the same way...
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where is the footage of the plane with wings hitting the pentagon? i cant find it.
why did they take out tons of insurance polices for terrorism 2 months ahead of the attack and then want payed twice as much for 2 separate attacks? why would the oil companys suppress hho gas if there was an oil shortage? why is there a shortage of phosphorous in the fertilizer? you need this to grow food why is everybody that witnessed ground zero first hand dead? what happened to john todd? why were there bigger bombs hidden inside oklahoma city when timothy mcveigh blew it up why wasnt our nsa,fbi,cia investigating the twin towers after the first bombing happened? why is there an owl on the front of our dollar bill? what is bohemian groove? since we killed bin laden why isnt the war over? why is there really fluoride in the water?msg in all the food? why is there aspartame,saccharine and sucralose in all our food? why are they putting from many come one on our coins? just to start with |
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There is so much evidence that Al-Qaida terrorists brought the WTC towers down on 911 and no evidence at all to the contrary! It's more like the other way around I'm afraid. al queada admitted responsibility for 911. where's this 'other way around' evidence of which you speak? not the personal innuendo you've been spouting. actual evidence. If you want it bad enough you can find it, I won't do your work for you, especially if you're just gonna take a crap on it. No point. I have better things to do than waste time on someone who isn't gonna listen. WEAK SAUCE! That is what you fall back no time and time again! SHOW YOUR PROOF! You are beginning to sound a lot like a classic Liberal! Politically I disagree a lot with jrbogie but this time even he is asking you to prove your words and this is your answer AGAIN? WE HAVE TO PROVE YOU WRONG WHEN WE OFFER PROOF OF THAT? You CAN'T back your position, can you? You just are itching to justify hating our government for any reason! |
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where is the footage of the plane with wings hitting the pentagon? i cant find it. why did they take out tons of insurance polices for terrorism 2 months ahead of the attack and then want payed twice as much for 2 separate attacks? why would the oil companys suppress hho gas if there was an oil shortage? why is there a shortage of phosphorous in the fertilizer? you need this to grow food why is everybody that witnessed ground zero first hand dead? what happened to john todd? why were there bigger bombs hidden inside oklahoma city when timothy mcveigh blew it up why wasnt our nsa,fbi,cia investigating the twin towers after the first bombing happened? why is there an owl on the front of our dollar bill? what is bohemian groove? since we killed bin laden why isnt the war over? why is there really fluoride in the water?msg in all the food? why is there aspartame,saccharine and sucralose in all our food? why are they putting from many come one on our coins? just to start with For those I know off the top of my head... As far as the war is concerned yea we killed 2 leaders Sadam and Bin Laden but that doesn't mean their people are safe. Someone else will rise up in their place if there is not a secure government with its own military strength to protect their own country. That doesn't take rocket science. The Pentagon is not in some huge city center with tons of people around. It is a secure facility. The cameras there are to catch trespassers on the ground not to watch the skies. They shoot at about 1 frame per second so it caught the explosion but not a picture of what impacted. |
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Chazster said:
That doesnt mean the government itself did not have access to the footage does it? I mean if people want to believe they are so powerful they planned it themselves I wouldn't think they would have a hard time getting footage before anyone else. Yes it does. How would the government itself have access to footage of the first plane hitting the tower? Its not like people normally sit around with their camera's trained on tall buildings waiting for something to happen. Also, even if some tourist did happen to film the first plane hit the tower there is no way it could have gotten into the hands of the President's security people a few minutes after the fact. No way. The only way the government would even have video of the first plane hitting the tower is if they filmed it them self and knew about it in advance. The only other explanation is that Bush was just making up stories as he went along as he often did. But how can you trust a president that lies so easily and so often that he can't keep things strait from what he is supposed to say and what he isn't supposed to say? At approximately 8:48 a.m. on the morning of September 11, 2001, the first pictures of the burning World Trade Center were broadcast on live television. They were not videos of the FIRST plane hitting the tower. If Bush saw anything, that is what he had to have seen. But THIS IS WHAT HE SAID: "I SAW AN AIRPLANE HIT THE TOWER." Watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-h4Zc57QKg So the official report about when Bush learned about the attack is a lie if he saw a video of a plane hitting the tower before he went into the class room. The official report is that he was told about the second plane when he was in the class room. There are other reports about when Bush heard about it also: Two accounts explicitly state Bush was told while in the motorcade. “The President was on Highway 301, just north of Main Street… [when] he received the news that a plane had crashed in New York City.” So what are they hiding? Why the lies about when they told Bush about the attack? Also this report says that there may have been an assassination attempt on Bush that morning: http://www.historycommons.org/essay.jsp?article=essayaninterestingday Conclusion: If Bush did see a plane hit the tower on television, and it was not the first plane, then they are lying about when he was informed about the attack. What is going on? Why would the government not tell the President right away about what is going on???? Probably because the people who run this country don't inform the president of much at all. The president is just a figurehead and a puppet? Or is it because our government and security is just completely incompetent? |
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Edited by
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Thu 08/04/11 10:13 AM
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There is so much evidence that Al-Qaida terrorists brought the WTC towers down on 911 and no evidence at all to the contrary! It's more like the other way around I'm afraid. al queada admitted responsibility for 911. where's this 'other way around' evidence of which you speak? not the personal innuendo you've been spouting. actual evidence. The Bin Ladin tapes are fake!! No he did not admit it. They even admitted that it was an old tape. Pay attention! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JwRe5i_VDQ&feature=player_embedded Clearly they are fakes. Don't be so gullible. Do you actually believe that propaganda?? |
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Chazster said: That doesnt mean the government itself did not have access to the footage does it? I mean if people want to believe they are so powerful they planned it themselves I wouldn't think they would have a hard time getting footage before anyone else. Yes it does. How would the government itself have access to footage of the first plane hitting the tower? Its not like people normally sit around with their camera's trained on tall buildings waiting for something to happen. Also, even if some tourist did happen to film the first plane hit the tower there is no way it could have gotten into the hands of the President's security people a few minutes after the fact. No way. The only way the government would even have video of the first plane hitting the tower is if they filmed it them self and knew about it in advance. The only other explanation is that Bush was just making up stories as he went along as he often did. But how can you trust a president that lies so easily and so often that he can't keep things strait from what he is supposed to say and what he isn't supposed to say? At approximately 8:48 a.m. on the morning of September 11, 2001, the first pictures of the burning World Trade Center were broadcast on live television. They were not videos of the FIRST plane hitting the tower. If Bush saw anything, that is what he had to have seen. But THIS IS WHAT HE SAID: "I SAW AN AIRPLANE HIT THE TOWER." Watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-h4Zc57QKg So the official report about when Bush learned about the attack is a lie if he saw a video of a plane hitting the tower before he went into the class room. The official report is that he was told about the second plane when he was in the class room. There are other reports about when Bush heard about it also: Two accounts explicitly state Bush was told while in the motorcade. “The President was on Highway 301, just north of Main Street… [when] he received the news that a plane had crashed in New York City.” So what are they hiding? Why the lies about when they told Bush about the attack? Also this report says that there may have been an assassination attempt on Bush that morning: http://www.historycommons.org/essay.jsp?article=essayaninterestingday Conclusion: If Bush did see a plane hit the tower on television, and it was not the first plane, then they are lying about when he was informed about the attack. What is going on? Why would the government not tell the President right away about what is going on???? Probably because the people who run this country don't inform the president of much at all. The president is just a figurehead and a puppet? Or is it because our government and security is just completely incompetent? Or he could have just been mistaken and thought what he saw on tv was the first plane hitting. People are not perfect and in fact mny people claim Bush isn't smart. Thus if you think he isn't intelligent it is easy to believe he was mistaken on what he thought he saw on tv. |
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No way this guy looks like Osama. I knew that was fake first time I saw it.
geeze you people will believe anything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19eVwHAbmRI&feature=related |
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Chazster said: That doesnt mean the government itself did not have access to the footage does it? I mean if people want to believe they are so powerful they planned it themselves I wouldn't think they would have a hard time getting footage before anyone else. Yes it does. How would the government itself have access to footage of the first plane hitting the tower? Its not like people normally sit around with their camera's trained on tall buildings waiting for something to happen. Also, even if some tourist did happen to film the first plane hit the tower there is no way it could have gotten into the hands of the President's security people a few minutes after the fact. No way. The only way the government would even have video of the first plane hitting the tower is if they filmed it them self and knew about it in advance. The only other explanation is that Bush was just making up stories as he went along as he often did. But how can you trust a president that lies so easily and so often that he can't keep things strait from what he is supposed to say and what he isn't supposed to say? At approximately 8:48 a.m. on the morning of September 11, 2001, the first pictures of the burning World Trade Center were broadcast on live television. They were not videos of the FIRST plane hitting the tower. If Bush saw anything, that is what he had to have seen. But THIS IS WHAT HE SAID: "I SAW AN AIRPLANE HIT THE TOWER." Watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-h4Zc57QKg So the official report about when Bush learned about the attack is a lie if he saw a video of a plane hitting the tower before he went into the class room. The official report is that he was told about the second plane when he was in the class room. There are other reports about when Bush heard about it also: Two accounts explicitly state Bush was told while in the motorcade. “The President was on Highway 301, just north of Main Street… [when] he received the news that a plane had crashed in New York City.” So what are they hiding? Why the lies about when they told Bush about the attack? Also this report says that there may have been an assassination attempt on Bush that morning: http://www.historycommons.org/essay.jsp?article=essayaninterestingday Conclusion: If Bush did see a plane hit the tower on television, and it was not the first plane, then they are lying about when he was informed about the attack. What is going on? Why would the government not tell the President right away about what is going on???? Probably because the people who run this country don't inform the president of much at all. The president is just a figurehead and a puppet? Or is it because our government and security is just completely incompetent? Or he could have just been mistaken and thought what he saw on tv was the first plane hitting. People are not perfect and in fact mny people claim Bush isn't smart. Thus if you think he isn't intelligent it is easy to believe he was mistaken on what he thought he saw on tv. Yes and I covered that possibility and I asked why was the official story about when they informed the President about what was going on a lie? Why does the government tell us what they want us to hear rather than the truth? THEY ALWAYS LIE. The are covering up something if they think they always have to LIE. |
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There is so much evidence that Al-Qaida terrorists brought the WTC towers down on 911 and no evidence at all to the contrary! It's more like the other way around I'm afraid. al queada admitted responsibility for 911. where's this 'other way around' evidence of which you speak? not the personal innuendo you've been spouting. actual evidence. The Bin Ladin tapes are fake!! No he did not admit it. They even admitted that it was an old tape. Pay attention! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JwRe5i_VDQ&feature=player_embedded Clearly the are fakes. Don't be so gullible. Do you actually believe that propaganda?? I don't see anything clearly fake there and I recognize the voice of the guy narrating and he is a conspiracy nut that has his own radio show. He says its clearly a cartoon etc. The video isn't even high enough quality to look like a cartoon. Get a video specialists with no history of following conspiracies to do an analysis and if he can show with science reasons to think its fake I will believe him. I give no credit to radio hosts though. |
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There is so much evidence that Al-Qaida terrorists brought the WTC towers down on 911 and no evidence at all to the contrary! It's more like the other way around I'm afraid. al queada admitted responsibility for 911. where's this 'other way around' evidence of which you speak? not the personal innuendo you've been spouting. actual evidence. The Bin Ladin tapes are fake!! No he did not admit it. They even admitted that it was an old tape. Pay attention! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JwRe5i_VDQ&feature=player_embedded Clearly the are fakes. Don't be so gullible. Do you actually believe that propaganda?? I don't see anything clearly fake there and I recognize the voice of the guy narrating and he is a conspiracy nut that has his own radio show. He says its clearly a cartoon etc. The video isn't even high enough quality to look like a cartoon. Get a video specialists with no history of following conspiracies to do an analysis and if he can show with science reasons to think its fake I will believe him. I give no credit to radio hosts though. I don't like that guy either, but there are plenty more videos and opinions. I have yet to see a Bin laden video that is not really bad or fake. So where is YOUR proof that Osama Bin Laden admitted responsibility on any video tape? Where is it? Show me your proof. The burden of proof is on you people who make the claim. |
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Chazster said: That doesnt mean the government itself did not have access to the footage does it? I mean if people want to believe they are so powerful they planned it themselves I wouldn't think they would have a hard time getting footage before anyone else. Yes it does. How would the government itself have access to footage of the first plane hitting the tower? Its not like people normally sit around with their camera's trained on tall buildings waiting for something to happen. Also, even if some tourist did happen to film the first plane hit the tower there is no way it could have gotten into the hands of the President's security people a few minutes after the fact. No way. The only way the government would even have video of the first plane hitting the tower is if they filmed it them self and knew about it in advance. The only other explanation is that Bush was just making up stories as he went along as he often did. But how can you trust a president that lies so easily and so often that he can't keep things strait from what he is supposed to say and what he isn't supposed to say? At approximately 8:48 a.m. on the morning of September 11, 2001, the first pictures of the burning World Trade Center were broadcast on live television. They were not videos of the FIRST plane hitting the tower. If Bush saw anything, that is what he had to have seen. But THIS IS WHAT HE SAID: "I SAW AN AIRPLANE HIT THE TOWER." Watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-h4Zc57QKg So the official report about when Bush learned about the attack is a lie if he saw a video of a plane hitting the tower before he went into the class room. The official report is that he was told about the second plane when he was in the class room. There are other reports about when Bush heard about it also: Two accounts explicitly state Bush was told while in the motorcade. “The President was on Highway 301, just north of Main Street… [when] he received the news that a plane had crashed in New York City.” So what are they hiding? Why the lies about when they told Bush about the attack? Also this report says that there may have been an assassination attempt on Bush that morning: http://www.historycommons.org/essay.jsp?article=essayaninterestingday Conclusion: If Bush did see a plane hit the tower on television, and it was not the first plane, then they are lying about when he was informed about the attack. What is going on? Why would the government not tell the President right away about what is going on???? Probably because the people who run this country don't inform the president of much at all. The president is just a figurehead and a puppet? Or is it because our government and security is just completely incompetent? Or he could have just been mistaken and thought what he saw on tv was the first plane hitting. People are not perfect and in fact mny people claim Bush isn't smart. Thus if you think he isn't intelligent it is easy to believe he was mistaken on what he thought he saw on tv. Yes and I covered that possibility and I asked why was the official story about when they informed the President about what was going on a lie? Why does the government tell us what they want us to hear rather than the truth? THEY ALWAYS LIE. The are covering up something if they think they always have to LIE. Again he could have saw the news and the tower but not remembered he didn't actually see the crash only the aftermath and then saw it the next day or saw the second crash the same day. Its not that hard to imagine. This doesn't mean an intentional lie he could just be mistaken about what he actually saw. I would argue if it was a cover up they would have drilled him more on the official story so he wouldn't say things like that in public. The fact he did say that leads one to believe that it is more of a memory problem then proof of a coverup. |
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Chazster said: That doesnt mean the government itself did not have access to the footage does it? I mean if people want to believe they are so powerful they planned it themselves I wouldn't think they would have a hard time getting footage before anyone else. Yes it does. How would the government itself have access to footage of the first plane hitting the tower? Its not like people normally sit around with their camera's trained on tall buildings waiting for something to happen. Also, even if some tourist did happen to film the first plane hit the tower there is no way it could have gotten into the hands of the President's security people a few minutes after the fact. No way. The only way the government would even have video of the first plane hitting the tower is if they filmed it them self and knew about it in advance. The only other explanation is that Bush was just making up stories as he went along as he often did. But how can you trust a president that lies so easily and so often that he can't keep things strait from what he is supposed to say and what he isn't supposed to say? At approximately 8:48 a.m. on the morning of September 11, 2001, the first pictures of the burning World Trade Center were broadcast on live television. They were not videos of the FIRST plane hitting the tower. If Bush saw anything, that is what he had to have seen. But THIS IS WHAT HE SAID: "I SAW AN AIRPLANE HIT THE TOWER." Watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-h4Zc57QKg So the official report about when Bush learned about the attack is a lie if he saw a video of a plane hitting the tower before he went into the class room. The official report is that he was told about the second plane when he was in the class room. There are other reports about when Bush heard about it also: Two accounts explicitly state Bush was told while in the motorcade. “The President was on Highway 301, just north of Main Street… [when] he received the news that a plane had crashed in New York City.” So what are they hiding? Why the lies about when they told Bush about the attack? Also this report says that there may have been an assassination attempt on Bush that morning: http://www.historycommons.org/essay.jsp?article=essayaninterestingday Conclusion: If Bush did see a plane hit the tower on television, and it was not the first plane, then they are lying about when he was informed about the attack. What is going on? Why would the government not tell the President right away about what is going on???? Probably because the people who run this country don't inform the president of much at all. The president is just a figurehead and a puppet? Or is it because our government and security is just completely incompetent? Or he could have just been mistaken and thought what he saw on tv was the first plane hitting. People are not perfect and in fact mny people claim Bush isn't smart. Thus if you think he isn't intelligent it is easy to believe he was mistaken on what he thought he saw on tv. Yes and I covered that possibility and I asked why was the official story about when they informed the President about what was going on a lie? Why does the government tell us what they want us to hear rather than the truth? THEY ALWAYS LIE. The are covering up something if they think they always have to LIE. Again he could have saw the news and the tower but not remembered he didn't actually see the crash only the aftermath and then saw it the next day or saw the second crash the same day. Its not that hard to imagine. This doesn't mean an intentional lie he could just be mistaken about what he actually saw. I would argue if it was a cover up they would have drilled him more on the official story so he wouldn't say things like that in public. The fact he did say that leads one to believe that it is more of a memory problem then proof of a coverup. This is true. They had a hard time controlling his stupid mouth. He was an idiot. 
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