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just as easy for her to wear a normal shirt and quit whining...she got to see dollywood, and no harm was done...dress codes are for a reason, to keep the peace if not for anything else... people have been shot just for wearing a certain colors, and i'm sure in middle Tennessee there might be a hick or two that might less tolerant than others over that... Who cares? Obviously, she didn't. As usual, let's all cater to the ignorant and intolerant ... lol, when the ignorant and intolerant will kill you, start a fight or whatever, i would err on the side of caution... but like you said, who cares? go where some red or blue in south LA... I certainly don't care... Are you one of those paranoid people who walks around looking over their shoulder at all times, assuming someone, somewhere is ready to start a fight? naw, i'm usually watching where i step... there might be some dog poo... |
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I do think of you when I see dog poop on the side walk.
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I do think of you when I see dog poop on the side walk. well, aint that sweet...  better than nothing, i suppose...
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Edited by
Bushidobillyclub
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Fri 07/29/11 11:19 AM
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I wonder if that applies to gay people who feel offended when the word is tossed around casually? http://www.thinkb4youspeak.com/ it is a word EASILY taken as defamatory when used as an ADJECTIVE for anything other than an actual HOMOSEXUAL PERSON.... get tougher skin could be the answer to anything that offends anyone, and we could just live in a growingly insensitive culture or we could continue to promote SOME type of sensitivity to the feelings of others and the 'innocence' of kids It is the knee jerk reaction that causes issues like this, not thick skin. Thick skin allows someone to walk up, and politely ask what the shirt means, and a discourse can becomes a way to connect and remove the stigma's that cause hate in the first place. Thicker skin IS the first step in the solution. |
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I wonder if that applies to gay people who feel offended when the word is tossed around casually? http://www.thinkb4youspeak.com/ it is a word EASILY taken as defamatory when used as an ADJECTIVE for anything other than an actual HOMOSEXUAL PERSON.... get tougher skin could be the answer to anything that offends anyone, and we could just live in a growingly insensitive culture or we could continue to promote SOME type of sensitivity to the feelings of others and the 'innocence' of kids It is the knee jerk reaction that causes issues like this, not thick skin. Thick skin allows someone to walk up, and politely ask what the shirt means, and a discourse can becomes a way to connect and remove the stigma's that cause hate in the first place. Thicker skin IS the first step in the solution. is that type of discourse practical...every time someone sees a shirt that is ambiguous they should first ASK what the wearer's beliefs are? everytime someone hears someone say something possibly offensive, they should first ASK if that is what was meant? there are many, many, many people in this world with the thick skin to wear and say what they wish but without the thick skin to be 'questioned' about it ,, I think the practical and resaonable medium is just to be wary of others feelings,, if its reasonably offensive (which such a shirt is because of its capacity to be meant as an INSULT) than why does one HAVE to wear it? it doesnt hurt them to just concede to a little consideration of others,,, |
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I would think if the employee asked if she was gay would set them up for a law suit.
As far as I am concerned, the business has the right to decide. I would agree with their decision if they didn't want religious shirts too. If a straight person wore that shirt, in support of gay marriage, should that be allowed? If a straight person wore the shirt, against gay marriage, should that be allowed? What if the person (whatever their preference is) wore it in protest of marriage of any kind? Shouldn't it be the same rule for all...regardless? I doubt the employees would be able to go around and question everyone with something written on their shirt. It's a business and (while impossible to make everyone happy) tries to keep the hot topics to a minimum for the sake of peace. JMO |
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so glad someone else understands what I was saying about the potential for it to be insulting,,,
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THis is not a big deal but they want to make it a big deal and this is why a lot of people oppose gay marrige, because they want to force their crap down everyones throat and when it's not accepted they cause a scene, throw a fit or sue someone. Do you also not support the Mormons, who REGULARLY 'cram' things down peoples' throats by showing up on private property preaching their version of the Almighty Word of God? Their 'missionaries' regularly show up on peoples' front doorsteps ignoring signs like 'No Solicitations' et cetera. When called on it, they assert 'We're just expressing our free speech rights' and the signs don't apply to them. The Fundies are even worse-- they'll can get really testy when you tell them you're a non-believer and why, often trying to start nasty arguments with you until told to leave peaceably. Would you consider THAT as 'throwing a fit'? How about them having children along with them while they do so? Would that qualify, in your opinion, as 'causing a scene'? And if one were to swear out a complaint about their disorderly conduct and/or trespassing on PRIVATE PROPERTY, how seriously would that be taken? How long would it be before the person swearing out the complaint be facing reprisals, legal or otherwise? -Kerry O. Actually I don't. I verbally tresspass(Tell them they will be arrested for tresspassing if they come back) them when they come to my door. So, you DO agree they are 'cramming', right? Otherwise, you wouldn't feel the need to admonish them. That was my point. Actually, I've found it usually best to leave well enough alone, because you never know how zealous they are-- they might send their spawn around to do vandalize your property or harass your children at school. Just ask people who are very zealous and vocal about being unbelievers. That's the problem with the self-righteous-- they are often anything but. -Kerry O. Actually no, I think they are tresspassing and that's why I handle it that way. I also did it with Obama supporters who constantly came to my door eventhough I had two 4x8 McCain signs on my property and all our vehicles had McCain bumperstickers on them. I finally called the Obama campaign headquarters after the third time and told them that the next time ANYONE form the campaign comes onto my property for ANY reason I will personally put them in handcuffs and while I am waiting for the police to arrive I will call every media outlet in the area to photograph it. They didn't even come on our street anymore after that
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who here really thinks that a shirt that says, "marriage is so gay" is offensive enough to hide our children from it? That's it? That's all the shirt said? Jeeeeeez, you hear that something is 'so gay' saying ALL the time from kids as young as 10 in schools. And you can just bet they didn't learn it from a T-shirt. Meanwhile, the people who make tabloid journalism are hacking the cell phone voice mail of crime victims.... -Kerry O. Ummmmmm, you know in most plces of employment if you use the word gay at all you will get written up, suspended or even fired. Statistics, please? I have not found that to be the case and have NEVER seen that in an employee handbook. If it's not a written policy, if can't be enforced. -Kerry O. Ummmmmm, I had to do the initial interviews for Human Resources for my former job since I was the only Wicklander trianed interviewer in our region. In the grocery business we have a LOT of people in the Alternative Lifestyles and who are disabled. If someone overheard someone else using the word gay, homo or retard or other words like that and complained(which they usually did) I would be talking to everyone involved on their next shift and submitting my report to HR to determine if they would be coming up from the Bay Area(California about 4 hours away non traffic) to investigate the situation further or just issue dis. action based on my interviews and statements I collected. It's a mess. I spent A LOT of time on that BS. |
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I guess I should say, those who are offended by a shirt like that tend to be more on the religious side. Again, not always, but many are. Are religious type shirts banned there? Just curious. I'm not the religious type and pro gay marriage and the shirt offends me! |
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who here really thinks that a shirt that says, "marriage is so gay" is offensive enough to hide our children from it? That's it? That's all the shirt said? Jeeeeeez, you hear that something is 'so gay' saying ALL the time from kids as young as 10 in schools. And you can just bet they didn't learn it from a T-shirt. Meanwhile, the people who make tabloid journalism are hacking the cell phone voice mail of crime victims.... -Kerry O. Ummmmmm, you know in most plces of employment if you use the word gay at all you will get written up, suspended or even fired. Statistics, please? I have not found that to be the case and have NEVER seen that in an employee handbook. If it's not a written policy, if can't be enforced. -Kerry O. Ummmmmm, I had to do the initial interviews for Human Resources for my former job since I was the only Wicklander trianed interviewer in our region. In the grocery business we have a LOT of people in the Alternative Lifestyles and who are disabled. If someone overheard someone else using the word gay, homo or retard or other words like that and complained(which they usually did) I would be talking to everyone involved on their next shift and submitting my report to HR to determine if they would be coming up from the Bay Area(California about 4 hours away non traffic) to investigate the situation further or just issue dis. action based on my interviews and statements I collected. It's a mess. I spent A LOT of time on that BS. I am sometimes called upon to interview people, too, and was handed a 10 page guide to read, initial and abide by. The word 'gay' wasn't on our particular guideline, so I guess your mileage in CA. may vary from mine in PA. Everyone in the company, however, IS required to watch a film about sexual harrassment. One of the scenes in that film is about a gay man 'giving too much information' about his weekend activities. I agree with the premise in the film, that such recountings crossed the line, and that someone's sexual orientation had nothing to do with it. It is a reasonable guideline, while the events that transpired in Dollywood, IMHO, weren't. Again, YMMV. -Kerry O. |
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I would think if the employee asked if she was gay would set them up for a law suit. As far as I am concerned, the business has the right to decide. I would agree with their decision if they didn't want religious shirts too. If a straight person wore that shirt, in support of gay marriage, should that be allowed? If a straight person wore the shirt, against gay marriage, should that be allowed? What if the person (whatever their preference is) wore it in protest of marriage of any kind? Shouldn't it be the same rule for all...regardless? I doubt the employees would be able to go around and question everyone with something written on their shirt. It's a business and (while impossible to make everyone happy) tries to keep the hot topics to a minimum for the sake of peace. JMO I don't see how that particular phrase could be construed in protest of gay marriage ... Regardless, I'm not disagreeing with the idea that businesses had the right to determine a dress code. I actually honestly applaud them for merely asking that the shirt be reversed rather than a strict eviction from the grounds. My qualm with the whole affair is how 'offensive' it is proclaimed to be and how unbalanced the issue is in regard to so many other concerns. "Its a family-oriented business" is usually connected to the nay-sayers' belief that "gay" cannot equal "family" despite a growing number of stable households (evidence) to the contrary. Its BS and turning this argument into "someone might think its the 'insulting form' of gay" is, simply, a ridiculous obfuscation. Gays calling each other "fag" or "queer" (disempowerment-empowerment) is a completely different matter altogether. |
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who here really thinks that a shirt that says, "marriage is so gay" is offensive enough to hide our children from it? That's it? That's all the shirt said? Jeeeeeez, you hear that something is 'so gay' saying ALL the time from kids as young as 10 in schools. And you can just bet they didn't learn it from a T-shirt. Meanwhile, the people who make tabloid journalism are hacking the cell phone voice mail of crime victims.... -Kerry O. Ummmmmm, you know in most plces of employment if you use the word gay at all you will get written up, suspended or even fired. Statistics, please? I have not found that to be the case and have NEVER seen that in an employee handbook. If it's not a written policy, if can't be enforced. -Kerry O. Ummmmmm, I had to do the initial interviews for Human Resources for my former job since I was the only Wicklander trianed interviewer in our region. In the grocery business we have a LOT of people in the Alternative Lifestyles and who are disabled. If someone overheard someone else using the word gay, homo or retard or other words like that and complained(which they usually did) I would be talking to everyone involved on their next shift and submitting my report to HR to determine if they would be coming up from the Bay Area(California about 4 hours away non traffic) to investigate the situation further or just issue dis. action based on my interviews and statements I collected. It's a mess. I spent A LOT of time on that BS. I am sometimes called upon to interview people, too, and was handed a 10 page guide to read, initial and abide by. The word 'gay' wasn't on our particular guideline, so I guess your mileage in CA. may vary from mine in PA. Everyone in the company, however, IS required to watch a film about sexual harrassment. One of the scenes in that film is about a gay man 'giving too much information' about his weekend activities. I agree with the premise in the film, that such recountings crossed the line, and that someone's sexual orientation had nothing to do with it. It is a reasonable guideline, while the events that transpired in Dollywood, IMHO, weren't. Again, YMMV. -Kerry O. Actually, I am in Nevada, out headquarters was based in California and all of our regional people were out of the Bay Area. Anything someone may consider offensive they can file a complaint on and every complaint is investigated. Even with the company I am with now it is taken VERY seriously. It is part of the harassment policy in general. |
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I don't see how that particular phrase could be construed in protest of gay marriage ... There are many people that use the term gay to mean something negative, just like the word retarded (as MsHarmony explained) Regardless, I'm not disagreeing with the idea that businesses had the right to determine a dress code. I actually honestly applaud them for merely asking that the shirt be reversed rather than a strict eviction from the grounds. agreed My qualm with the whole affair is how 'offensive' it is proclaimed to be and how unbalanced the issue is in regard to so many other concerns. Because it can be misconstrued. But most hot topics are....like politics, religion, etc. People will be offended at anything. If I wear an "I'm a Pepper" tshirt because I like Dr Pepper, then a Pepsi drink might be offended. The difference is that a choice of soda isn't a current heated debate. Sometimes businesses have to err on the side of caution. They can only try to do their best to keep it a fun, happy, non controversial place. Even if the woman in the tshirt had no intentions of causing a problem (which I don't believe she was trying to cause problems) someone might take offense to it and start something. "Its a family-oriented business" is usually connected to the nay-sayers' belief that "gay" cannot equal "family" despite a growing number of stable households (evidence) to the contrary. Its BS and turning this argument into "someone might think its the 'insulting form' of gay" is, simply, a ridiculous obfuscation. I disagree. A family is a family regardless of who is involved. Actually my uncle in CA (who is gay and fights for gay marriage) says he wouldn't wear something like that to a family park any more than wearing a political shirt or something else that might be heated. And this is probably why they decided to have her reverse her shirt. Some would be offended, some wouldn't and there would be an issue just like in here. Gays calling each other "fag" or "queer" (disempowerment-empowerment) is a completely different matter altogether. why????? Shouldn't it be insulting no matter who says it? I don't like those words no matter who says it anymore than I like the N word regardless of who says it. The "rules" should apply across the board as far as I am concerned. There should be equal rights IMO...without exceptions |
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I don't see how that particular phrase could be construed in protest of gay marriage ... There are many people that use the term gay to mean something negative, just like the word retarded (as MsHarmony explained) Regardless, I'm not disagreeing with the idea that businesses had the right to determine a dress code. I actually honestly applaud them for merely asking that the shirt be reversed rather than a strict eviction from the grounds. agreed My qualm with the whole affair is how 'offensive' it is proclaimed to be and how unbalanced the issue is in regard to so many other concerns. Because it can be misconstrued. But most hot topics are....like politics, religion, etc. People will be offended at anything. If I wear an "I'm a Pepper" tshirt because I like Dr Pepper, then a Pepsi drink might be offended. The difference is that a choice of soda isn't a current heated debate. Sometimes businesses have to err on the side of caution. They can only try to do their best to keep it a fun, happy, non controversial place. Even if the woman in the tshirt had no intentions of causing a problem (which I don't believe she was trying to cause problems) someone might take offense to it and start something. "Its a family-oriented business" is usually connected to the nay-sayers' belief that "gay" cannot equal "family" despite a growing number of stable households (evidence) to the contrary. Its BS and turning this argument into "someone might think its the 'insulting form' of gay" is, simply, a ridiculous obfuscation. I disagree. A family is a family regardless of who is involved. Actually my uncle in CA (who is gay and fights for gay marriage) says he wouldn't wear something like that to a family park any more than wearing a political shirt or something else that might be heated. And this is probably why they decided to have her reverse her shirt. Some would be offended, some wouldn't and there would be an issue just like in here. Gays calling each other "fag" or "queer" (disempowerment-empowerment) is a completely different matter altogether. why????? Shouldn't it be insulting no matter who says it? I don't like those words no matter who says it anymore than I like the N word regardless of who says it. The "rules" should apply across the board as far as I am concerned. There should be equal rights IMO...without exceptions Using them in any type of situation in my opinion is wrong. I don't use those words ever along with retard. |
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I would think if the employee asked if she was gay would set them up for a law suit. As far as I am concerned, the business has the right to decide. I would agree with their decision if they didn't want religious shirts too. If a straight person wore that shirt, in support of gay marriage, should that be allowed? If a straight person wore the shirt, against gay marriage, should that be allowed? What if the person (whatever their preference is) wore it in protest of marriage of any kind? Shouldn't it be the same rule for all...regardless? I doubt the employees would be able to go around and question everyone with something written on their shirt. It's a business and (while impossible to make everyone happy) tries to keep the hot topics to a minimum for the sake of peace. JMO I don't see how that particular phrase could be construed in protest of gay marriage ... Regardless, I'm not disagreeing with the idea that businesses had the right to determine a dress code. I actually honestly applaud them for merely asking that the shirt be reversed rather than a strict eviction from the grounds. My qualm with the whole affair is how 'offensive' it is proclaimed to be and how unbalanced the issue is in regard to so many other concerns. "Its a family-oriented business" is usually connected to the nay-sayers' belief that "gay" cannot equal "family" despite a growing number of stable households (evidence) to the contrary. Its BS and turning this argument into "someone might think its the 'insulting form' of gay" is, simply, a ridiculous obfuscation. Gays calling each other "fag" or "queer" (disempowerment-empowerment) is a completely different matter altogether. Id love to hear how often a 'gay' relationship has RESULTED in children and a family as a consequence..... its not the same there are all types of families which can have 'love' but they are still 'alternative' to the NATURAL and INDISPUTABLE means by which we create families (ie, children) ,...mothers and fathers but thats irrelevant here the shirt could have been interpreted as using language that we dont need to encourage or promote around children,,,when we run slogans like 'think before you speak', ,we need to not be confusing them and we need not impose upon them the responsibility of knowing when gay is offensive or not,,,,, |
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the shirt could have been interpreted as using language that we dont need to encourage or promote around children,,,when we run slogans like 'think before you speak', ,we need to not be confusing them and we need not impose upon them the responsibility of knowing when gay is offensive or not,,,,, You mean this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrJrw5ZZfRU |
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the shirt could have been interpreted as using language that we dont need to encourage or promote around children,,,when we run slogans like 'think before you speak', ,we need to not be confusing them and we need not impose upon them the responsibility of knowing when gay is offensive or not,,,,, You mean this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrJrw5ZZfRU yes I think its good to be teaching the kids not to use those words so casually,, but I guess my skin is kind of thin,,,,, |
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I'm a big fan of the idea that "words are just words" and changing those words does not change intent and OMITTING words from use certainly DOESN'T change the mind of those who express hatred toward other people.
Sorry. Striking a word from your everyday conversation doesn't make the problem go away. At least if someone has a problem with the word being said, it creates discourse about the intent BEHIND the words ... even if it involves an a$$-beating. MHO |
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