Choose as in choose to do something or not do something. The rib being taken out of Adam did not cause him to do an action or restrict him from doing an action. Therefore again, no free will was taken away.

Notice in my definition of free will, it is not just choose alone.



Choose what to do. You have a choice to do something or not do something. The rib being taken out was not an action Adam took. It had nothing to do with Adam other then it was being taken out of him. It didn't restrict him, did not force him to do something.

God put Adam to sleep so didn't God take away Adam's ability to choose?

Not specifically. "Sleeping" is not an action one takes. One lays down to sleep, yes this is an action one takes, but one doesn't choose when they "fall" asleep.

And I'm certain it wasn't against Adam's will to be asleep when this happened. I know I personally would absolutely not want to be awake enduring this pain he would have been in.

The only way it would have been taking away Adam's free will or doing something against his will is if he did not want God to do this. We have no information on if he didn't want this to happen. All we know is Adam was a lonely person and wanted someone to share his life with. So with that, God was doing his will and creating a spouse for him.

Adam didn't put himself to sleep, God was the one that put Adam to sleep beofre he took his rib.....you said that "Free Will" is the ability to choose .....so point out where Adam got to choose

Adam wanted a mate and God gave him one. Adam wanting the mate permitted God to do what was needed to bring this to be. Adam didn't put any speculations on how he was to get this mate.

Abra...when GOD said to GO and TELL the GOOD

NEWS,God meant just that !!!!


Just because God is the One Who does the DRAWING first,, doesn't

mean His Body of Believers are to just Sit on our Blessed

Assurance, and Do Nothing !!!

Amen?!!!



TELLING THE GOOD NEWS ( notice, I did not say arguing, or

discussing ,or pushing the Good News) is for the purpose

of GETTING THE WORD of GOD OUT ....SO PEOPLE CAN HEAR !!!


FAITH comes by HEARING AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD.


FAITH CANNOT COME WITHOUT HEARING THE WORD, AND HEARING ABOUT

GOD....AMEN?


IT'S THE POWER of GOD THAT DRAWS....but GOD ALSO WORKS

THRU HIS WORD GOING FORTH.....TO BRING FORTH FAITH IN GOD.


AGAIN.. ...NO man can come to God on his own....except God DRAW

him first, and CONVICT him of his NEED for a Saviour....

but we ALSO do our part, by TELLING THE GOOD NEWS.


GOD DOES THE DRAWING....BUT THEN FAITH COMES BY HEARING ,AND

HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD.

Very true. If they have not heard the word of God, how then can they put faith in it or not? They can't. So out of love, we are to spread the word of God and let God work with the people after they have come to know about God.

nope...Adam didn't put himself to sleep the bible states that God put Adam to sleep,,,also the bible states nothing about Adam wanting a mate...Adam had no clue what a woman or a human mate was since none had been created yet

so again....you said that "Free Will" is the ability to choose .....so point out where Adam got to choose to lose his rib

Sure the bible states that Adam was lonely. Why else would God have known it not good for man to be alone? Why would it not have been good if it wasn't cause the man needed companionship. And again, would you rather be awake when God took a rib out? Or would you rather had been in a deep sleep where you didn't feel the pain? Same reason people are put to sleep in operations.

18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Exactly Cowboy.


Faith Comes by HEARING and HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD.

NOTICE HOW IT SAYS , HEARING AND HEARING BY THE WORD...

IF THE WORD ISN'T BEING PREACHED SO THAT ONE CAN HEAR THE WORD,

THERE IS NO POWER AT WORK TO CREATE FAITH IN GOD IN THE FIRST

PLACE.

GOD DRAWS, BUT THEN CREATES THE GOD KIND OF FAITH IN US, WHICH

COMES BY THE HEARING OF HIS WORD.


THAT IS WHY GOD'S WORD IS SO POWERFUL.....THEY ARE GOD

INSPIRED , GOD BREATHED .....WORDS THAT WHEN RECEIVED,

ARE ABLE TO BRING FORTH NEW LIFE TO ALL THOSE WHO HEAR.

the passage you provide states what the Lord said...so far you have provide nothing about what Adam said pertaining to his choice of having or not having his rib taken out....... can you provide such a passage or not

Why do you think the LORD would say such a thing if Adam didn't want a mate?

The LORD knows what we want, regardless if we have publicly said it, said it to one other, or even said it at all. God knows our hearts.

you keep telling about God's "Free Will"..I've ask you to provide a passage where Adam had the Free Will" to choose pertaining to his rib being taken out

can you provide this passage or not ...if you can't ....then simply admit it

Your body is not your own. Your body is the temple of God. It belongs to God, he can do with it what he wishes.

He created it, so it is his privilege to change it, alter it, destroy it, renew it, or do whatever he wishes with it.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20

19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Cowboy,...you keep providing passages pertaining to God's "Free Will"... I'm not disputing that God has "Free WIll" ...

I'm disputing that God gave "Free Will" to Adam pertaining to the taking of his rib and asked you to provide a passage where Adam had any choice in the matter ...

so once again can you provide such a passage ....and if not....grow a pair and admit it

No Cowboy you're wrong.

A religion that claims to have a "righteous" God has limited their God to only be able to do what is "righteous". Otherwise, it would be an "unrighteous" God.

This is a common pitfall that Christians all too often fall into. They act like their supposed "righteous" God can do anything at all that he wishes to do, with nothing restraining him. But that's false. A God who is not restricted by doing only that which is "righteous", cannot be said to be a "righteous" God.

Since the Christians demand that their God is a "righteous" God, then they must also limit their God to only being "righteous".

Now the Greek Zeus, on the other hand could kill you for no good reason. No one claimed that he had to be "righteous" or anything else. They just recognized that he is God and can therefore do anything he so desires, whether it's "righteous" or not.

The Greek God of Zeus was truly unlimited.

But this is not true of the God of Bible. The God of the Bible is restricted by "righteousness" and therefore cannot do "unrighteous" things.

The Biblical God is not free to do whatever he wishes without any need to excuse himself. Because he would then be an "unrighteous" God, but that flies in the face of what the Bible claims God to be.

So you're not paying attention.

You preach total falsehoods that simply cannot be supported by the Bible.

You can't have the Biblical God going around doing "unrighteous" things simply because he can do anything he wises.

He is NOT Zeus!

He doesn't have that kind of freedom.

He's restricted by the character trait of being "righteous".

In fact, if there is anything in the Bible that this God has done that is "unrighteous" then that is a valid reason to question the validity of this religion. And many people, including myself, seem many of the things that this God has done according to the biblical stories as being totally "unrighteous" and thus we have grounds for rejecting the stories as fables because the stories fail to support the premise that this God is supposed to be "righteous".

If you want a God who can do anything without having to excuse himself, you need to turn to Zeus. Because the Biblical God does not have that freedom. The Biblical God is a limited God. He is limited by his very character trait of being a "righteous" God.

He cannot just do anything he so desires, as you suggest.

That's false.

Unless you are rejecting the ideal that he's a "righteous" God.

But then you'd have a religion with an unrighteous God, and you'd be right back with the Greeks and Zeus.