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Topic: Where in the Genesis is Jesus
carold Joined Sun 03/23/08 Posts: 26747	Fri 12/02/11 08:03 AM
Looking at your picture, you seem to have all the physical parts of the body. Hey guess what? I do to. So with what your saying, our bodies have the same parts, our wills would be the same. sorry Cowboy...but so far you seen to be lacking a pair Why throw insults into a discussion? That is easier for some and if they can get you to argue back. That is even better then your thrown off your subject. And then they bounce on you. come on Carold...so far all you have done is gripe and agree with a false gospel spreader....get into the debate, pull up a passage that answers the questions that are posed and show that Christians read the bible.... Pretty much they didn't in the beginning because it wasn't wrote. and Now some do some don't. It is smarter to read the word and to know what your debating. I know when I was young it mostly sat on the coffee gathering dust. But now with the new generation they are reading so did I and several times.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/02/11 08:03 AM Edited by CowboyGH on Fri 12/02/11 08:03 AM
What are you talking about? How would you know no one has seen God and lived? Did they tell you? Cowboy...how could they tell me if they are dead ....you claimed that you walked with God....did you see him? I see God everyday. now describe God without sounding delusional God is great, he is loving, he is forgiving, he is omniscient, he is omnipotent, he is everywhere, he is God. I'm pretty sure that what's written on his Driver's License...but you claim to have seen him ....did you see his face? I see his face everywhere in everything. do he have horns? no. He is absolutely beautiful. so that either means that you lied when you claim that you see God's face everywhere or that you never seen horns before....which is it

carold Joined Sun 03/23/08 Posts: 26747	Fri 12/02/11 08:05 AM
What are you talking about? How would you know no one has seen God and lived? Did they tell you? Cowboy...how could they tell me if they are dead ....you claimed that you walked with God....did you see him? I see God everyday. now describe God without sounding delusional God is great, he is loving, he is forgiving, he is omniscient, he is omnipotent, he is everywhere, he is God. I'm pretty sure that what's written on his Driver's License...but you claim to have seen him ....did you see his face? I see his face everywhere in everything. do he have horns? Do you think the devil really would have horns. When he comes in a pleasing form? where did I say that Satan had horns ...you guys are so programmed ....don't unicorns have horns...ooops that's right, I'm not sure if anyone ever seen a real unicorn either so true. I think you might think of him as what our God is. Where did the unicorns go?? With the flood??

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 12/02/11 08:05 AM
That has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will". Free will means you can go to the store when you want, you can steal something if you wish, you can be honest, you can do AN ACTION. Your body is not yours. It has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will", other then you making it do something or not do something. if your body belong to God as you just stated then wouldn't that also include your will now explain how you can use your will without using your body No that would not include your will. Your will is in your heart and mind. If you want to go out and rob a store, how would that be influenced by your body? If you want to go to a charity house and donate some money, how would that be influenced by your body? If you love someone, how is that influenced by your body? and so on and son on. Your will moves your body. You make your will first, then you put your body into action to fulfil that will. if your will is in your heart and mind...that makes it part of the body and you stated that your body belongs to God ....which is why your will belongs to God also ...hence no 'Free Will" in your "heart and mind" are descriptive terms Funches. If you love someone, it is said you have them in your heart. Do you truly have them in your heart? Or is it descriptive that you love the person? lol. Come on now Funches, why argue for the sake of arguing? Cowboy...if the "will" is not in the heart and mind then why claim that it was ....... it you can not explain how the will is not part of the body....then the will belongs to God Your will is part of your soul. If our will was part of the body, why would we not all have the same will? For the general person, we are born with two arms, two legs, a head, ect. If this is identical to most all humans, why would the will not be if it was part of the body? Looking at your picture, you seem to have all the physical parts of the body. Hey guess what? I do to. So with what your saying, our bodies have the same parts, our wills would be the same. if your will is part of your soul...do God owns your soul? Your soul is you. This body is temporary, your soul is not naturally temporary. If you have given God your soul, then God owns your soul. the bible states that God created Adam into a living soul ...so let's get it on record.... are you saying that God creates things that he doesn't own?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/02/11 08:06 AM
What are you talking about? How would you know no one has seen God and lived? Did they tell you? Cowboy...how could they tell me if they are dead ....you claimed that you walked with God....did you see him? I see God everyday. now describe God without sounding delusional God is great, he is loving, he is forgiving, he is omniscient, he is omnipotent, he is everywhere, he is God. I'm pretty sure that what's written on his Driver's License...but you claim to have seen him ....did you see his face? I see his face everywhere in everything. do he have horns? no. He is absolutely beautiful. so that either means that you lied when you claim that you see God's face everywhere or that you never seen horns before....which is it I see God everywhere in everything.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/02/11 08:07 AM
That has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will". Free will means you can go to the store when you want, you can steal something if you wish, you can be honest, you can do AN ACTION. Your body is not yours. It has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will", other then you making it do something or not do something. if your body belong to God as you just stated then wouldn't that also include your will now explain how you can use your will without using your body No that would not include your will. Your will is in your heart and mind. If you want to go out and rob a store, how would that be influenced by your body? If you want to go to a charity house and donate some money, how would that be influenced by your body? If you love someone, how is that influenced by your body? and so on and son on. Your will moves your body. You make your will first, then you put your body into action to fulfil that will. if your will is in your heart and mind...that makes it part of the body and you stated that your body belongs to God ....which is why your will belongs to God also ...hence no 'Free Will" in your "heart and mind" are descriptive terms Funches. If you love someone, it is said you have them in your heart. Do you truly have them in your heart? Or is it descriptive that you love the person? lol. Come on now Funches, why argue for the sake of arguing? Cowboy...if the "will" is not in the heart and mind then why claim that it was ....... it you can not explain how the will is not part of the body....then the will belongs to God Your will is part of your soul. If our will was part of the body, why would we not all have the same will? For the general person, we are born with two arms, two legs, a head, ect. If this is identical to most all humans, why would the will not be if it was part of the body? Looking at your picture, you seem to have all the physical parts of the body. Hey guess what? I do to. So with what your saying, our bodies have the same parts, our wills would be the same. if your will is part of your soul...do God owns your soul? Your soul is you. This body is temporary, your soul is not naturally temporary. If you have given God your soul, then God owns your soul. the bible states that God created Adam into a living soul ...so let's get it on record.... are you saying that God creates things that he doesn't own? No. But God's created souls have turned away from him. Less they return, how would they belong to God?

carold Joined Sun 03/23/08 Posts: 26747	Fri 12/02/11 08:08 AM
That has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will". Free will means you can go to the store when you want, you can steal something if you wish, you can be honest, you can do AN ACTION. Your body is not yours. It has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will", other then you making it do something or not do something. if your body belong to God as you just stated then wouldn't that also include your will now explain how you can use your will without using your body No that would not include your will. Your will is in your heart and mind. If you want to go out and rob a store, how would that be influenced by your body? If you want to go to a charity house and donate some money, how would that be influenced by your body? If you love someone, how is that influenced by your body? and so on and son on. Your will moves your body. You make your will first, then you put your body into action to fulfil that will. if your will is in your heart and mind...that makes it part of the body and you stated that your body belongs to God ....which is why your will belongs to God also ...hence no 'Free Will" in your "heart and mind" are descriptive terms Funches. If you love someone, it is said you have them in your heart. Do you truly have them in your heart? Or is it descriptive that you love the person? lol. Come on now Funches, why argue for the sake of arguing? Cowboy...if the "will" is not in the heart and mind then why claim that it was ....... it you can not explain how the will is not part of the body....then the will belongs to God Your will is part of your soul. If our will was part of the body, why would we not all have the same will? For the general person, we are born with two arms, two legs, a head, ect. If this is identical to most all humans, why would the will not be if it was part of the body? Looking at your picture, you seem to have all the physical parts of the body. Hey guess what? I do to. So with what your saying, our bodies have the same parts, our wills would be the same. if your will is part of your soul...do God owns your soul? Your soul is you. This body is temporary, your soul is not naturally temporary. If you have given God your soul, then God owns your soul. the bible states that God created Adam into a living soul ...so let's get it on record.... are you saying that God creates things that he doesn't own? No he doesn't own you there is free will there is the choice to be with him or not. Still he never owns you.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/02/11 08:08 AM
That has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will". Free will means you can go to the store when you want, you can steal something if you wish, you can be honest, you can do AN ACTION. Your body is not yours. It has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will", other then you making it do something or not do something. if your body belong to God as you just stated then wouldn't that also include your will now explain how you can use your will without using your body No that would not include your will. Your will is in your heart and mind. If you want to go out and rob a store, how would that be influenced by your body? If you want to go to a charity house and donate some money, how would that be influenced by your body? If you love someone, how is that influenced by your body? and so on and son on. Your will moves your body. You make your will first, then you put your body into action to fulfil that will. if your will is in your heart and mind...that makes it part of the body and you stated that your body belongs to God ....which is why your will belongs to God also ...hence no 'Free Will" in your "heart and mind" are descriptive terms Funches. If you love someone, it is said you have them in your heart. Do you truly have them in your heart? Or is it descriptive that you love the person? lol. Come on now Funches, why argue for the sake of arguing? Cowboy...if the "will" is not in the heart and mind then why claim that it was ....... it you can not explain how the will is not part of the body....then the will belongs to God Your will is part of your soul. If our will was part of the body, why would we not all have the same will? For the general person, we are born with two arms, two legs, a head, ect. If this is identical to most all humans, why would the will not be if it was part of the body? Looking at your picture, you seem to have all the physical parts of the body. Hey guess what? I do to. So with what your saying, our bodies have the same parts, our wills would be the same. if your will is part of your soul...do God owns your soul? Your soul is you. This body is temporary, your soul is not naturally temporary. If you have given God your soul, then God owns your soul. the bible states that God created Adam into a living soul ...so let's get it on record.... are you saying that God creates things that he doesn't own? No. But God's created souls have turned away from him. Less they return, how would they belong to God? If your girlfriend turns away from you, is she still yours? Or has she decided to have nothing to do with you?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 12/02/11 08:09 AM
Looking at your picture, you seem to have all the physical parts of the body. Hey guess what? I do to. So with what your saying, our bodies have the same parts, our wills would be the same. sorry Cowboy...but so far you seen to be lacking a pair Why throw insults into a discussion? That is easier for some and if they can get you to argue back. That is even better then your thrown off your subject. And then they bounce on you. come on Carold...so far all you have done is gripe and agree with a false gospel spreader....get into the debate, pull up a passage that answers the questions that are posed and show that Christians read the bible.... Pretty much they didn't in the beginning because it wasn't wrote. and Now some do some don't. It is smarter to read the word and to know what your debating. I know when I was young it mostly sat on the coffee gathering dust. But now with the new generation they are reading so did I and several times. if you ask the new generation who the holy spirit is... they would say weed

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/02/11 08:09 AM
That has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will". Free will means you can go to the store when you want, you can steal something if you wish, you can be honest, you can do AN ACTION. Your body is not yours. It has absolutely nothing to do with "Free Will", other then you making it do something or not do something. if your body belong to God as you just stated then wouldn't that also include your will now explain how you can use your will without using your body No that would not include your will. Your will is in your heart and mind. If you want to go out and rob a store, how would that be influenced by your body? If you want to go to a charity house and donate some money, how would that be influenced by your body? If you love someone, how is that influenced by your body? and so on and son on. Your will moves your body. You make your will first, then you put your body into action to fulfil that will. if your will is in your heart and mind...that makes it part of the body and you stated that your body belongs to God ....which is why your will belongs to God also ...hence no 'Free Will" in your "heart and mind" are descriptive terms Funches. If you love someone, it is said you have them in your heart. Do you truly have them in your heart? Or is it descriptive that you love the person? lol. Come on now Funches, why argue for the sake of arguing? Cowboy...if the "will" is not in the heart and mind then why claim that it was ....... it you can not explain how the will is not part of the body....then the will belongs to God Your will is part of your soul. If our will was part of the body, why would we not all have the same will? For the general person, we are born with two arms, two legs, a head, ect. If this is identical to most all humans, why would the will not be if it was part of the body? Looking at your picture, you seem to have all the physical parts of the body. Hey guess what? I do to. So with what your saying, our bodies have the same parts, our wills would be the same. if your will is part of your soul...do God owns your soul? Your soul is you. This body is temporary, your soul is not naturally temporary. If you have given God your soul, then God owns your soul. the bible states that God created Adam into a living soul ...so let's get it on record.... are you saying that God creates things that he doesn't own? No he doesn't own you there is free will there is the choice to be with him or not. Still he never owns you. Exactly. We are not objects. God wants a relationship with us, he doesn't want to "own" us.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 12/02/11 08:10 AM
What are you talking about? How would you know no one has seen God and lived? Did they tell you? Cowboy...how could they tell me if they are dead ....you claimed that you walked with God....did you see him? I see God everyday. now describe God without sounding delusional God is great, he is loving, he is forgiving, he is omniscient, he is omnipotent, he is everywhere, he is God. I'm pretty sure that what's written on his Driver's License...but you claim to have seen him ....did you see his face? I see his face everywhere in everything. do he have horns? Do you think the devil really would have horns. When he comes in a pleasing form? where did I say that Satan had horns ...you guys are so programmed ....don't unicorns have horns...ooops that's right, I'm not sure if anyone ever seen a real unicorn either so true. I think you might think of him as what our God is. Where did the unicorns go?? With the flood?? perhaps God placed all the unicorns on Noah's Ark....I have to ask Cowboy first

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/02/11 08:12 AM
What are you talking about? How would you know no one has seen God and lived? Did they tell you? Cowboy...how could they tell me if they are dead ....you claimed that you walked with God....did you see him? I see God everyday. now describe God without sounding delusional God is great, he is loving, he is forgiving, he is omniscient, he is omnipotent, he is everywhere, he is God. I'm pretty sure that what's written on his Driver's License...but you claim to have seen him ....did you see his face? I see his face everywhere in everything. do he have horns? Do you think the devil really would have horns. When he comes in a pleasing form? where did I say that Satan had horns ...you guys are so programmed ....don't unicorns have horns...ooops that's right, I'm not sure if anyone ever seen a real unicorn either so true. I think you might think of him as what our God is. Where did the unicorns go?? With the flood?? perhaps God placed all the unicorns on Noah's Ark....I have to ask Cowboy first No, I'm merely relaying a message. I know nothing God hasn't told us all.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 12/02/11 08:17 AM
No. But God's created souls have turned away from him. Less they return, how would they belong to God? Cowboy..you just admitted that your soul belong to God when you answer "No" to my querstion if God created things that he do not own and this is why there is no Free Will...if God owns your body he owns your will because neither can function without the other

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/02/11 08:20 AM
No. But God's created souls have turned away from him. Less they return, how would they belong to God? Cowboy..you just admitted that your soul belong to God when you answer "No" to my querstion if God created things that he do not own and this is why there is no Free Will...if God owns your body he owns your will because neither can function without the other He owns my will because I have given my will to the lord. I have surrendered myself to the lord. I have done this on my own will, my own desire. Wasn't forced. That is what free will is. One has the choice to obey God or not.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 12/02/11 08:21 AM
]No he doesn't own you there is free will there is the choice to be with him or not. Still he never owns you. Carold...Cowboy stated and even pulled up passages which states that God can do anything he wanted to you at anytime ....so can you explain how this equate to him not owning you

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 12/02/11 08:22 AM
What are you talking about? How would you know no one has seen God and lived? Did they tell you? Cowboy...how could they tell me if they are dead ....you claimed that you walked with God....did you see him? I see God everyday. now describe God without sounding delusional God is great, he is loving, he is forgiving, he is omniscient, he is omnipotent, he is everywhere, he is God. I'm pretty sure that what's written on his Driver's License...but you claim to have seen him ....did you see his face? I see his face everywhere in everything. do he have horns? no. He is absolutely beautiful. so that either means that you lied when you claim that you see God's face everywhere or that you never seen horns before....which is it I see God everywhere in everything. except horns ......see how you lie

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 12/02/11 08:24 AM
If your girlfriend turns away from you, is she still yours? Or has she decided to have nothing to do with you? before I answer that question I have to know one thing...did I pull out someones rib and create her?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 12/02/11 08:27 AM
Exactly. We are not objects. God wants a relationship with us, he doesn't want to "own" us. yes he just give us commandments and threaten to toss you into the lake of fire for all eternity if you do not have a relationship with him ....but I guess you can go to court and get a restraining order for that

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 12/02/11 08:28 AM
What are you talking about? How would you know no one has seen God and lived? Did they tell you? Cowboy...how could they tell me if they are dead ....you claimed that you walked with God....did you see him? I see God everyday. now describe God without sounding delusional God is great, he is loving, he is forgiving, he is omniscient, he is omnipotent, he is everywhere, he is God. I'm pretty sure that what's written on his Driver's License...but you claim to have seen him ....did you see his face? I see his face everywhere in everything. do he have horns? no. He is absolutely beautiful. so that either means that you lied when you claim that you see God's face everywhere or that you never seen horns before....which is it I see God everywhere in everything. except horns ......see how you lie What? What in the world are you talking about? What horns? In goat horns? Yeah I see God in goat horns, for it is a creation of God.

carold Joined Sun 03/23/08 Posts: 26747	Fri 12/02/11 08:28 AM
Looking at your picture, you seem to have all the physical parts of the body. Hey guess what? I do to. So with what your saying, our bodies have the same parts, our wills would be the same. sorry Cowboy...but so far you seen to be lacking a pair Why throw insults into a discussion? That is easier for some and if they can get you to argue back. That is even better then your thrown off your subject. And then they bounce on you. come on Carold...so far all you have done is gripe and agree with a false gospel spreader....get into the debate, pull up a passage that answers the questions that are posed and show that Christians read the bible.... Pretty much they didn't in the beginning because it wasn't wrote. and Now some do some don't. It is smarter to read the word and to know what your debating. I know when I was young it mostly sat on the coffee gathering dust. But now with the new generation they are reading so did I and several times. if you ask the new generation who the holy spirit is... they would say weed Oh I don't think so but there is that side of life.