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False premise... "You can not gain a relationship with God, by just reading the bible or anything else of such" I humbly beg to differ with you. God walks with each and every human on this planet. Each person has a 'relationship' with God from the moment they are born. yet even for one who lives 'blind' to that truth... God can bring about a 'moment' of realization at any time He wishes. From a book, from a stumble, from even a quick breath can He form within a person realization and understanding. Even when they are not looking for him. Very true, God has always loved YOU. But that's not having a relationship with God, when one starts loving God is when the relationship starts. This does not come from reading about him in the bible, or specifically being told about him. This comes from putting the first step forward in an attempt to make a relationship with God. *you in this is a general you, not specifically at Adventure* |
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False premise... "You can not gain a relationship with God, by just reading the bible or anything else of such" I humbly beg to differ with you. God walks with each and every human on this planet. Each person has a 'relationship' with God from the moment they are born. yet even for one who lives 'blind' to that truth... God can bring about a 'moment' of realization at any time He wishes. From a book, from a stumble, from even a quick breath can He form within a person realization and understanding. Even when they are not looking for him. Very true, God has always loved YOU. But that's not having a relationship with God, when one starts loving God is when the relationship starts. This does not come from reading about him in the bible, or specifically being told about him. This comes from putting the first step forward in an attempt to make a relationship with God. *you in this is a general you, not specifically at Adventure* Even when they are not looking for him. One cannot find God if they do not search for him. If you pass something you are not looking for, you will not see it. You will be oblivious to it until one figures out what it is and what they are looking for. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Cowboy, you need to do a study on what the WORD of God is...
The bible is not just some mere book about the knowledge of God. God and HIS WORD are ONE. The WORD is not just some written words on a page..... When the WRITTEN Word(LOGOS) is recieved, it gives LIFE....becomes RHEMA... Do a study on GOD'S WORD,Cowboy..... |
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Cowboy, you need to do a study on what the WORD of God is... The bible is not just some mere book about the knowledge of God. God and HIS WORD are ONE. The WORD is not just some written words on a page..... When the WRITTEN Word(LOGOS) is recieved, it gives LIFE....becomes RHEMA... Do a study on GOD'S WORD,Cowboy..... Yes The Word and God are one. The Word and the word of God are two totally different things. The Word of God was made flesh eg., Jesus Christ. |
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Jesus IS the Word.
Do a study Cowboy,seriously ,and I'll just leave it at that now. We all have much yet to learn anyway.....much. |
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Jesus IS the Word. Do a study Cowboy,seriously ,and I'll just leave it at that now. We all have much yet to learn anyway.....much. Not ment rudely, but you're not listening to what I'm saying. There is a difference between The Word of God and the word of god. The bible is the word of god, Jesus is The Word of God. John 1 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. This is not speaking of the bible. The bible is the word of God yes, but it is literally the word of God, not a title in specifics. The knowledge inside the bible is living and breathing, but the paper it's written on is just that, paper. It's the knowledge the bible possess that is important, not the ink and the paper it's written on. Do a study MorningSong, seriously, I'll just leave it at the now. |
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Question: "What do John 1:1,14 mean when they declare that Jesus is the Word of God?"
Answer: The answer to this question is found by first understanding the reason why John wrote his gospel. We find his purpose clearly stated in John 20:30-31. “Many other signs therefore Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.” Once we understand that John’s purpose was to introduce the readers of his gospel to Jesus Christ, establishing Who Jesus is (God in the flesh) and what He did, all with the sole aim of leading them to embrace the saving work of Christ in faith, we will be better able to understand why John introduces Jesus as “The Word” in John 1:1. By starting out his gospel stating, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,” John is introducing Jesus with a word or a term that both his Jewish and Gentile readers would have been familiar with. The Greek word translated “Word” in this passage is Logos, and it was common in both Greek philosophy and Jewish thought of that day. For example, in the Old Testament the “word” of God is often personified as an instrument for the execution of God’s will (Psalm 33:6; 107:20; 119:89; 147:15-18). So, for his Jewish readers, by introducing Jesus as the “Word,” John is in a sense pointing them back to the Old Testament where the Logos or “Word” of God is associated with the personification of God’s revelation. And in Greek philosophy, the term Logos was used to describe the intermediate agency by which God created material things and communicated with them. In the Greek worldview, the Logos was thought of as a bridge between the transcendent God and the material universe. Therefore, for his Greek readers the use of the term Logos would have likely brought forth the idea of a mediating principle between God and the world. So, essentially, what John is doing by introducing Jesus as the Logos is drawing upon a familiar word and concept that both Jews and Gentiles of his day would have been familiar with and using that as the starting point from which He introduces them to Jesus Christ. But John goes beyond the familiar concept of Logos that his Jewish and Gentile readers would have had and presents Jesus Christ not as a mere mediating principle like the Greeks perceived, but as a personal being, fully divine, yet fully human. Also, Christ was not simply a personification of God’s revelation as the Jews thought, but was indeed God’s perfect revelation of Himself in the flesh, so much so that John would record Jesus’ own words to Philip: "Jesus said unto Him, 'Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, "Show us the Father"?'" (John 14:9). By using the term Logos or “Word” in John 1:1, John is amplifying and applying a concept that was familiar with his audience and using that to introduce his readers to the true Logos of God in Jesus Christ, the Living Word of God, fully God and yet fully man, who came to reveal God to man and redeem all who believe in Him from their sin.  |
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Question: "What is the Rhema word?"
Answer: There are two primary Greek words that describe Scripture which are translated “word” in the New Testament. The first, logos, refers principally to the total inspired Word of God and to Jesus, who is the living Word. Logos is found in John 1:1; Luke 8:11; Philippians 2:16; Hebrews 4:12; and other verses. The second Greek word translated “word” is rhema, which refers to the spoken word. Rhema literally means an utterance (individually, collectively or specifically). Examples are found in Luke 1:38; 3:2; 5:5; and Acts 11:16. Charismatic and non-charismatic Christians have different views regarding rhema and how it should be understood. Some charismatics view rhema as the voice of the Holy Spirit speaking to them at the present moment. They believe they should be guided by the Holy Spirit through inner feelings, impressions and experiences. Some believe that the direct words of God to the individual can also be imparted through the words of others, such as a preacher in a worship service or a friend who counsels them. Through these avenues, the Christian experiences God’s direct leading. There is also the belief that the spoken word has more power than the written word, but there is no biblical basis for such a belief. Evangelical Christians, however, have a much different understanding of rhema, believing that it is essentially synonymous with logos. In other words, the specific guidance we receive from the Holy Spirit at any given time can only be discerned by the general principles laid down in the Bible. Where the Bible is silent on specifics—such as where a young person should go to college—then the Christian applies biblical principles (good stewardship of God- given resources, protecting one’s heart and mind from godless influences, etc.) to the situation and thereby arrives at a decision. The test of the authenticity of a rhema from God is how it compares to the whole of Scripture. Orthodoxy says that God will not speak a word that contradicts His written Word, the Scriptures, so there is a built-in safeguard to prevent misinterpretation. The obvious danger is that one who is not familiar with the logos can misinterpret or misunderstand what he or she perceives to be a rhema. |
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Question: "What do John 1:1,14 mean when they declare that Jesus is the Word of God?" Answer: The answer to this question is found by first understanding the reason why John wrote his gospel. We find his purpose clearly stated in John 20:30-31. “Many other signs therefore Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.” Once we understand that John’s purpose was to introduce the readers of his gospel to Jesus Christ, establishing Who Jesus is (God in the flesh) and what He did, all with the sole aim of leading them to embrace the saving work of Christ in faith, we will be better able to understand why John introduces Jesus as “The Word” in John 1:1. By starting out his gospel stating, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,” John is introducing Jesus with a word or a term that both his Jewish and Gentile readers would have been familiar with. The Greek word translated “Word” in this passage is Logos, and it was common in both Greek philosophy and Jewish thought of that day. For example, in the Old Testament the “word” of God is often personified as an instrument for the execution of God’s will (Psalm 33:6; 107:20; 119:89; 147:15-18). So, for his Jewish readers, by introducing Jesus as the “Word,” John is in a sense pointing them back to the Old Testament where the Logos or “Word” of God is associated with the personification of God’s revelation. And in Greek philosophy, the term Logos was used to describe the intermediate agency by which God created material things and communicated with them. In the Greek worldview, the Logos was thought of as a bridge between the transcendent God and the material universe. Therefore, for his Greek readers the use of the term Logos would have likely brought forth the idea of a mediating principle between God and the world. So, essentially, what John is doing by introducing Jesus as the Logos is drawing upon a familiar word and concept that both Jews and Gentiles of his day would have been familiar with and using that as the starting point from which He introduces them to Jesus Christ. But John goes beyond the familiar concept of Logos that his Jewish and Gentile readers would have had and presents Jesus Christ not as a mere mediating principle like the Greeks perceived, but as a personal being, fully divine, yet fully human. Also, Christ was not simply a personification of God’s revelation as the Jews thought, but was indeed God’s perfect revelation of Himself in the flesh, so much so that John would record Jesus’ own words to Philip: "Jesus said unto Him, 'Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, "Show us the Father"?'" (John 14:9). By using the term Logos or “Word” in John 1:1, John is amplifying and applying a concept that was familiar with his audience and using that to introduce his readers to the true Logos of God in Jesus Christ, the Living Word of God, fully God and yet fully man, who came to reveal God to man and redeem all who believe in Him from their sin. Want to bring some light to this. In the verses Psalm 33:6; 107:20; 119:89; 147:15-18, that possess this same word it does not have it capitolized in these verses as it it does in John. These other verses are not referring to a title, John's verse is. |
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It's all cool on here, Carold....  Funches is gonna be a great preacherman one day .....  he just doesn't know it yet... or... maybe he does....  might take a miracle
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When we have our mind fully occupied by God's
Word, it is the same as having it fully focused on Jesus. How can this be? It is because Jesus is the Incarnation of God's Word. " The WORD became FLESH and dwelt among Us, and we beheld His Glory." John 1:14 KJV Jesus IS the WORD......seeing Jesus is seeing the Word, seeing the Word is seeing Jesus. When your mind is stayed on God's Word, it is equal to having it on Jesus. Isaiah the prophet declared to God, "You will keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on You, because he trusts in You." Isaiah 26:3 NKJV Let me give you a practical example of how this works: Let's say your capabilities are being stretched to the limit. You can live above the tension or pressure of this by focusing your mind on a WORD OF GOD that He gives you in the Bible like this one, " I can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens me." Philippians 4:13 NKJV |
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It's all cool on here, Carold.... Funches is gonna be a great preacherman one day ..... he just doesn't know it yet... or... maybe he does.... might take a miracle I have great hope for Funches.  I believe in miracles .
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Cowboy wrote:
In the verses Psalm 33:6; 107:20; 119:89; 147:15-18, that possess this same word it does not have it capitolized in these verses as it it does in John. These other verses are not referring to a title, John's verse is. Psalm 33:6 By the word of the Lord, the heavens were made. Psalm 107: 20 He sent His word and healed them Psalm 119: 89 Forever Oh Lord, your word is settled in heaven Psalm 147:15-18 He sent forth His Command to the earth; His word runs very swiftly, He gives snow like wool; He scatters the frost like ashes, He casts forth His ice as fragments; He sends forth His word and melts them; Cowboy, Jesus is the WORD...that is what the WORD means..the WORD OF GOD. The scriptures above CLEARLY SHOW THIS. God's WORD doesn't have to be capitalized, to be the WORD OF GOD. And yes, the WORD was ALSO used as a NAME TITLE for Jesus ..... but still, the Word of God and Jesus are One. God IS the Word. Jesus IS the Word. That is why there is POWER in the WORD of GOD. WONDER WORKING POWER IN THE WORD OF GOD....THAT IS HOW FAITH COMES...BY HEARING THE WORD..... THE WORD IS QUICKER AND SHARPER THAN ANY 2 EDGED SWORD.... GOD IS THE WORD. AND WHEN THE WORD OF GOD IS SPOKEN ? DYNAMOS POWER !!! |
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Question: "What do John 1:1,14 mean when they declare that Jesus is the Word of God?" Answer: The answer to this question is found by first understanding the reason why John wrote his gospel. We find his purpose clearly stated in John 20:30-31. “Many other signs therefore Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these have been written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.” Once we understand that John’s purpose was to introduce the readers of his gospel to Jesus Christ, establishing Who Jesus is (God in the flesh) and what He did, all with the sole aim of leading them to embrace the saving work of Christ in faith, we will be better able to understand why John introduces Jesus as “The Word” in John 1:1. By starting out his gospel stating, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,” John is introducing Jesus with a word or a term that both his Jewish and Gentile readers would have been familiar with. The Greek word translated “Word” in this passage is Logos, and it was common in both Greek philosophy and Jewish thought of that day. For example, in the Old Testament the “word” of God is often personified as an instrument for the execution of God’s will (Psalm 33:6; 107:20; 119:89; 147:15-18). So, for his Jewish readers, by introducing Jesus as the “Word,” John is in a sense pointing them back to the Old Testament where the Logos or “Word” of God is associated with the personification of God’s revelation. And in Greek philosophy, the term Logos was used to describe the intermediate agency by which God created material things and communicated with them. In the Greek worldview, the Logos was thought of as a bridge between the transcendent God and the material universe. Therefore, for his Greek readers the use of the term Logos would have likely brought forth the idea of a mediating principle between God and the world. So, essentially, what John is doing by introducing Jesus as the Logos is drawing upon a familiar word and concept that both Jews and Gentiles of his day would have been familiar with and using that as the starting point from which He introduces them to Jesus Christ. But John goes beyond the familiar concept of Logos that his Jewish and Gentile readers would have had and presents Jesus Christ not as a mere mediating principle like the Greeks perceived, but as a personal being, fully divine, yet fully human. Also, Christ was not simply a personification of God’s revelation as the Jews thought, but was indeed God’s perfect revelation of Himself in the flesh, so much so that John would record Jesus’ own words to Philip: "Jesus said unto Him, 'Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, "Show us the Father"?'" (John 14:9). By using the term Logos or “Word” in John 1:1, John is amplifying and applying a concept that was familiar with his audience and using that to introduce his readers to the true Logos of God in Jesus Christ, the Living Word of God, fully God and yet fully man, who came to reveal God to man and redeem all who believe in Him from their sin. Want to bring some light to this. In the verses Psalm 33:6; 107:20; 119:89; 147:15-18, that possess this same word it does not have it capitolized in these verses as it it does in John. These other verses are not referring to a title, John's verse is. Psalms 33:6 6By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth This is not talking about "The Word". This particular verse is speaking of the word of the LORD, the word of Jesus. Psams 107:20 19Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saveth them out of their distresses. 20He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions. verse 19 was included to show who's word was in reference in verse 20. None of these verses use "word" as a title as it does in John. Gotta keep context and grammar in mind when reading God's word. |
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Cowboy wrote: In the verses Psalm 33:6; 107:20; 119:89; 147:15-18, that possess this same word it does not have it capitolized in these verses as it it does in John. These other verses are not referring to a title, John's verse is. Psalm 33:6 By the word of the Lord, the heavens were made. Psalm 107: 20 He sent His word and healed them Psalm 119: 89 Forever Oh Lord, your word is settled in heaven Psalm 147:15-18 He sent forth His Command to the earth; His word runs very swiftly, He gives snow like wool; He scatters the frost like ashes, He casts forth His ice as fragments; He sends forth His word and melts them; Cowboy, Jesus is the WORD...that is what the WORD means..the WORD OF GOD. The scriptures above CLEARLY SHOW THIS. God's WORD doesn't have to be capitalized, to be the WORD OF GOD. And yes, the WORD was ALSO used as a NAME TITLE for Jesus ..... but still, the Word of God and Jesus are One. God IS the Word. Jesus IS the Word. That is why there is POWER in the WORD of GOD. WONDER WORKING POWER IN THE WORD OF GOD....THAT IS HOW FAITH COMES...BY HEARING THE WORD..... THE WORD IS QUICKER AND SHARPER THAN ANY 2 EDGED SWORD.... GOD IS THE WORD. AND WHEN THE WORD OF GOD IS SPOKEN > DYNAMOS POWER !!! And yes, the WORD was ALSO used as a NAME TITLE for Jesus .... Only when "The Word" is capitalised is it refering to Jesus. If it is not capitalised it is referring to a verbal "word". If someone gives warning someone's coming, they are giving word that someone is coming ect. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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oK.....one last time..and then I am gonna leave this with God:
Jesus IS the WORD. Yes....The Word is used as a NAME TITLE for Jesus also...simply because JESUS IS THE WORD. " By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth...." THAT WORD IS JESUS THERE, IN THAT SCRIPTURE ABOVE. THE WORD (JESUS IS THE WORD MADE FLESH))CREATED EVERYTHING.... |
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oK.....one last time..and then I am gonna leave this with God: Jesus IS the WORD. Yes....The Word is used as a NAME TITLE for Jesus also...simply because JESUS IS THE WORD. MorningSong, listen please. Yes Jesus is The Word, never denied that. Just the psalms verses are not referring to The Word and I will show you why. The word of the LORD is not The Word, for the LORD is The Word. Psalms 33:6 6By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth This is not talking about "The Word". This particular verse is speaking of the word of the LORD, the word of Jesus. Psams 107:20 19Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saveth them out of their distresses. 20He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions. verse 19 was included to show who's word was in reference in verse 20. None of these verses use "word" as a title as it does in John. Gotta keep context and grammar in mind when reading God's word. |
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I can't help you see.
Only God can. Take care now.
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I can't help you see. Only God can. Take care now. I pray God does show you MorningSong. This verse alone shows it clear as day. By the WORD of the LORD. The LORD is the Word of God, so especially this verse could not be using "word" to reference Jesus, because it is his word in reference. Psalms 33:6 6By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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The WORD OF THE LORD IN THAT SCRIPTURE........THAT
IS REFERRING TO JESUS BEFORE HE BECAME INCARNATE !!!!!!!!! JESUS WAS THE WORD WHO CREATED THE WORLDS !!!! JESUS (KNOWN AS THE WORD )CREATED IT ALLLLLLLL.!!!! Remember, in the beginning, there was God the Father, God the Word (the Word later became flesh),and God the Holy Spirit. All 3 persons of the ONE Godhead were right there, in the beginning. Jesus was THEN known as The WORD .....and is also known as the LIVING WORD today....STILL THE SAME WORD !!!! It was the WORD Who created the worlds.....the WORD LATER BECAME FLESH. I realize I can't help you any longer on here, Cowboy. Not when you think you know it all . Only God can help you see clearly...I can't. Cowboy,When you hopefully believe in the deity of Christ one day, then God's Word will become clear. Until then God's Word will not be clear.....causee God only opens our eyes when we believe in Him in the real way. Take care now, Cowboy.
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