correlating killing to christianity is a false representation of reality,,,

I would be happy if humans would do so regardless of their beliefs,,,,stop killing that is

I dont wish to pursuade anyone either, I am sharing my beliefs(usually at the prompting of someones question or inquiry of why or how I could believe such things)

MsHarmony Wrote:

If the bible does not work for you, find what does and hope that it was the right path at the end of the day,,,

People claim that this nation is mostly Christian and founded on Christianity. They claim to be a Nation "under God." Christians want the ten commandments displayed in the courthouse. They are mad because public praying to Jesus was taken out of the schools.

And they are the most waring country in the world. They assassinate people in their homes. They chant "Nuke them all!" They invade and bomb third world countries. They call themselves Christians. They spread democracy like they spread Christianity in the olden days... by force.

Okay I'm calling them on that claim. If they are Christians, then they should follow the teachings of peace and forgiveness given to them by their savior.

Or else they should stop calling themselves Christians.

That is the bottom line.

Hope that it's the right path?

That's the arrogant flippancy of the Christians. They are quick to add on some implication that their God might hate people if the people make a "wrong choice" somehow.

The problem with that is that the people you discuss mostly on these forums have all stated quite clearly that they are ALL FOR GOOD. They all seek the best for humanity.

If your vision of God is a jealous egotist who is more concerned with being egotistically worshiped than he is with the concept of "Goodness" then you really need to take a closer look at precisely what it is that you are worshiping.

That's the problem with the Christian God. The Christians have stuffed him into a box where he has no choice but to hate GOOD people simply for not cowering down to Christianity bigotry.

That can never hold up. The religion has shot itself in the foot big time and cannot continue on with an egotistical attitude like that.

Goodness necessarily has to equal Godliness.

Anything short of that and you've got an ungodly God.

You just can't have a God who condemns people, or who even frowns upon them any way, just because they don't believe a bunch of truly unbelievable and utterly absurd stories.

You simply can't have a "righteous" God who gets peeved with sane rational people for not believing it utterly irrational unprovable rumors. The outrageous supernatural claims of those unwarranted rumors aren't even remotely supported by independent historical records.

As far as I'm concerned any supposed "God" who would command people to murder "heathens" and then send his only begotten son into that same crowed to be crucified for blaspheme would not only be utterly unwise, be he would also need to be far sicker and demented that I even care to consider.

Why should I feel compelled to "worship" such a God? I personally wouldn't even consider such a "God" to be even remotely wise. Not even close.

Setting up a situation where everyone must condone religious bigotry, lifestyle bigotry, male-chauvinism, and the nailing of God himself to a pole to pay for their sins is nothing short of disgusting.

If I truly believed that our creator was that utterly stupid I would be sick to my stomach.

Worship such a God?

Are you kidding?

All I could possible do is feel total and complete pity for the poor thing. I would cry out of pure sorry that our creator is so sick and pathetic. And supposedly has no one above him that he can even turn to for help. Poor thing. He would surely be a very bad way.

I would cry with sympathy for him, and when it came to "judgment day" I would simply ask as politely and sincerely as I possibly could to simply be "uncreated". Just make the whole nightmare go away please.

Because I have no desire to spend eternity in everlasting punishment, and I also have absolutely no desire praising such a sick demented "God". Either situation would be equally HELL as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not kidding in the slightest when I say that pure atheism would have been a far better picture. We would be far better off having no creator or spiritual essence whatsoever than having a "Creator" who condones and participates in such sick demented schemes as the fabled Biblical God is clearly associated with.

I would want no parts of any such God, and I pray to whatever powers that might be that they have nothing to do with anything as sick and demented as the Christian biblical picture of "God".

People claim that this nation is mostly Christian and founded on Christianity. They claim to be a Nation "under God." Christians want the ten commandments displayed in the courthouse. They are mad because public praying to Jesus was taken out of the schools.

And they are the most waring country in the world. They assassinate people in their homes. They chant "Nuke them all!" They invade and bomb third world countries. They call themselves Christians. They spread democracy like they spread Christianity in the olden days... by force.

Okay I'm calling them on that claim. If they are Christians, then they should follow the teachings of peace and forgiveness given to them by their savior.

Or else they should stop calling themselves Christians.

That is the bottom line.

And as far as the children ?

They all went to heaven....to a better place.

(ALL children automatically go to heaven, because they are

not able to understand yet).

There was mercy in God doing it that way....rather than to leave

them behind... to suffer.

possession basically

christians often believe the SOUL belongs to God and not to men, and it is under GODS domain and control

much like how I feel about the flag mentioned in another thread, IF I buy it, I have the rights to it


If God created it, he has the rights to it

I can rip up my own sheets, but if my guest does it,, they may be in hot water because it was not THEIRS to decide what to do with


,,,basically

Regarding the children that god ordered destroyed Morning song wrote;


Well that blows up the whole abortion issue, doesn't it?

A child will be born deformed or with Down Syndrom or in poverty to a mother who doesn't know where her next meal will come from and some opt for abortion --- so what's wrong with that?

What difference is there - after all the child will not suffer and will go to heaven.

So why do so many Christians fight against abortion?

That makes sense.

It does, but here's my thing with it. How is it that God can basically break his own laws through stuff like this? Isn't that a bit of a double standard?

It's no different then politicians setting rules for us, and yet not following them for themselves because they have more power than we. It's the same thing.

Are we delusional to believe our mortal fathers to be our fathers,, after all, we werent there to see it?

should we all first get a DNA Test before we start espousing who our fathers are? are we delusional to trust the word and the history and the experience of those around us who confide in us about the history we could not possibly remember for ourself?

I find it sad that there is such a philosophy that faith has to somehow be 'delusional', its as sad as the assumption that a lack of faith is 'selfish'

It does, but here's my thing with it. How is it that God can basically break his own laws through stuff like this? Isn't that a bit of a double standard?

It's no different then politicians setting rules for us, and yet not following them for themselves because they have more power than we. It's the same thing.

Nope.

It is not a "double standard" to break or change your own law.

That is, IF you are the almighty one and only God, and not just some alien pretender.

Okay lets say I decided to make a rule or a law that I would not eat breakfast until 10:30 a.m. for some reason.

Am I bound to that rule? Nope. I can change that rule or break it any time I want. It's my rule. I own my life and my reality.

God would own all because God is all and God can do whatever he/It wants including destroy the entire universe.

Touche. You play the devil's advocate well lol.

Ok, so even if he could, would it be logical to? Would it be loving? I say no.

Is it kind, is it loving:

Often when people die, their souls are 'taken up' before the death. This can also happen to people who are in a terrible accident. They will be taken out of their bodies so they will not have to experience the pain of the operation or accident. Sometimes they will even remember being out of their bodies watching it.

Most of the time they will not remember it at all, and sometimes their memories will erase even some time before the accident. That is how some people get amnesia after trauma.

That happened to me after a fall off of a horse. It happened to my sister when she had a terrible car accident.

There was a story of a man who could see aura's around people's heads. He thought that was normal and everyone could see them. One day he was about to get on an elevator. The door opened and there were three people there. They were alive and well, but they did not have their aura's around their heads. This startled the man, and he did not get on the elevator.

That elevator broke and crashed and the three people died.

not sure about that definition of delusional, but , from minddisorders.com


Delusions are irrational beliefs, held with a high level of conviction, that are highly resistant to change even when the delusional person is exposed to forms of proof that contradict the belief.

Read more: Delusional disorder - define, causes, DSM, functioning, effects, therapy, paranoia, adults http://www.minddisorders.com/Br-Del/Delusional-disorder.html#ixzz1Mu2v3vzp



FORMS OF PROOF which contradict,,,there has been no PROOF contradicting my beliefs

well it doesn't require proof as the psychiatric diagnosis goes. simply requires evidence of an alternate explanation and still believing in a concept such as christianity. if a christian were to agree that his way of thinking might be wrong in light of evidence for say, the big bang, then he/she would not meet the diagnosis of delusional. it's when you hold your belief as sacred and refuse to accept the possibility of an alternate concept that the christian can be diagnosed as delusional.


proof in science is rare as stated here:


"A good theory will describe a large range of phenomena on the basis of a few simple postulates and will make definite predictions that can be tested. If the predictions agree with the observations, the theory survives that test, though it can never be proved to be correct."

Stephen Hawking, the universe in a nutshell.


and of course creationism does not even measure up to this definition of a theory.