People claim that this nation is mostly Christian and founded on Christianity. They claim to be a Nation "under God." Christians want the ten commandments displayed in the courthouse. They are mad because public praying to Jesus was taken out of the schools.

And they are the most waring country in the world. They assassinate people in their homes. They chant "Nuke them all!" They invade and bomb third world countries. They call themselves Christians. They spread democracy like they spread Christianity in the olden days... by force.

Okay I'm calling them on that claim. If they are Christians, then they should follow the teachings of peace and forgiveness given to them by their savior.

Or else they should stop calling themselves Christians.

That is the bottom line.

Hope that it's the right path?

That's the arrogant flippancy of the Christians. They are quick to add on some implication that their God might hate people if the people make a "wrong choice" somehow.

The problem with that is that the people you discuss mostly on these forums have all stated quite clearly that they are ALL FOR GOOD. They all seek the best for humanity.

If your vision of God is a jealous egotist who is more concerned with being egotistically worshiped than he is with the concept of "Goodness" then you really need to take a closer look at precisely what it is that you are worshiping.

That's the problem with the Christian God. The Christians have stuffed him into a box where he has no choice but to hate GOOD people simply for not cowering down to Christianity bigotry.

That can never hold up. The religion has shot itself in the foot big time and cannot continue on with an egotistical attitude like that.

Goodness necessarily has to equal Godliness.

Anything short of that and you've got an ungodly God.

You just can't have a God who condemns people, or who even frowns upon them any way, just because they don't believe a bunch of truly unbelievable and utterly absurd stories.

You simply can't have a "righteous" God who gets peeved with sane rational people for not believing it utterly irrational unprovable rumors. The outrageous supernatural claims of those unwarranted rumors aren't even remotely supported by independent historical records.

As far as I'm concerned any supposed "God" who would command people to murder "heathens" and then send his only begotten son into that same crowed to be crucified for blaspheme would not only be utterly unwise, be he would also need to be far sicker and demented that I even care to consider.

Why should I feel compelled to "worship" such a God? I personally wouldn't even consider such a "God" to be even remotely wise. Not even close.

Setting up a situation where everyone must condone religious bigotry, lifestyle bigotry, male-chauvinism, and the nailing of God himself to a pole to pay for their sins is nothing short of disgusting.

If I truly believed that our creator was that utterly stupid I would be sick to my stomach.

Worship such a God?

Are you kidding?

All I could possible do is feel total and complete pity for the poor thing. I would cry out of pure sorry that our creator is so sick and pathetic. And supposedly has no one above him that he can even turn to for help. Poor thing. He would surely be a very bad way.

I would cry with sympathy for him, and when it came to "judgment day" I would simply ask as politely and sincerely as I possibly could to simply be "uncreated". Just make the whole nightmare go away please.

Because I have no desire to spend eternity in everlasting punishment, and I also have absolutely no desire praising such a sick demented "God". Either situation would be equally HELL as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not kidding in the slightest when I say that pure atheism would have been a far better picture. We would be far better off having no creator or spiritual essence whatsoever than having a "Creator" who condones and participates in such sick demented schemes as the fabled Biblical God is clearly associated with.

I would want no parts of any such God, and I pray to whatever powers that might be that they have nothing to do with anything as sick and demented as the Christian biblical picture of "God".

agreed, admiration and worship of violence and power is not in correlation to how Christ lived

great, and peace be with you,,as it is with me

I agree. It's bogus hypocrisy.

George Bush claimed that God "told him to invade Irag".

Which God would that have been?

It sure as hell wasn't "The Christ"

The Christ taught to "turn the other cheek and forgive".

If George Bush and the USA were "True Christians" in the sense of following the teachings of Jesus, they would have just forgiven Osama Bin Laden and dropped the whole thing right then and there.

How many Christians would truly have been willing to do that?

Same thing held true with Nazi Germany. If the USA were true Christians they would have just put up WELCOME signs and invited the Nazis to come over and make slaves out them.



That's what a person would need to do in order to "follow Christ".

Just like Jesus did. LET THEM NAIL YOU TO THE POLE. So what?

You're going to be "risen" again anyway. So who cares?

Regarding the children that god ordered destroyed Morning song wrote;


Well that blows up the whole abortion issue, doesn't it?

A child will be born deformed or with Down Syndrom or in poverty to a mother who doesn't know where her next meal will come from and some opt for abortion --- so what's wrong with that?

What difference is there - after all the child will not suffer and will go to heaven.

So why do so many Christians fight against abortion?

possession basically

christians often believe the SOUL belongs to God and not to men, and it is under GODS domain and control

much like how I feel about the flag mentioned in another thread, IF I buy it, I have the rights to it


If God created it, he has the rights to it

I can rip up my own sheets, but if my guest does it,, they may be in hot water because it was not THEIRS to decide what to do with


,,,basically

That makes sense.

one main one is who decides when life ends?

A woman can decide she wants an abortion and she gets it..

If someone say a drunk hits the womans car on her way to get an abortion and the baby dies ( or is it a baby?) the drunk gets manslaughter or a murder charge against them.

Why? if its not a child and just part of the woman and she lives well it's, what?

the law will call it a death nomatter what the woman has to seay like. " no Mr. Judge I was going to get an abortion anyway.. he just helped?

When is a Baby a Baby?

If abortion is not murder of a living being then just what is it and why the different laws for the mother or the drunk?

It does, but here's my thing with it. How is it that God can basically break his own laws through stuff like this? Isn't that a bit of a double standard?

It's no different then politicians setting rules for us, and yet not following them for themselves because they have more power than we. It's the same thing.

laws are not equally relevant because responsibilities are not equally distributed

of course the ACCOUNTANT Would be given access to information that the RECEPTIONIST would not, there are privileges and responsibilities that usualy correlate to each other

to whom much is given much is expected,, who GAVE to God to be EXPECTING from him?

there are many privilages my bosses had in their business that, as their employee, I did not,, and would not want to have because I know they came at the price of much more RESPONSIBILITY and RISK and SACRIFICE

the psychiatric diognosis of a person being delusional is when he/she believes a concept to be fact in spite of evidence to an alternative concept. genesis is accepted as fact by christians when there are vast amounts of evidence to suggest the big bang and evolution as alternative, plausible explanations of how the universe came to be and the ascension of the species.

not sure about that definition of delusional, but , from minddisorders.com


Delusions are irrational beliefs, held with a high level of conviction, that are highly resistant to change even when the delusional person is exposed to forms of proof that contradict the belief.

Read more: Delusional disorder - define, causes, DSM, functioning, effects, therapy, paranoia, adults http://www.minddisorders.com/Br-Del/Delusional-disorder.html#ixzz1Mu2v3vzp



FORMS OF PROOF which contradict,,,there has been no PROOF contradicting my beliefs

Nope.

It is not a "double standard" to break or change your own law.

That is, IF you are the almighty one and only God, and not just some alien pretender.

Okay lets say I decided to make a rule or a law that I would not eat breakfast until 10:30 a.m. for some reason.

Am I bound to that rule? Nope. I can change that rule or break it any time I want. It's my rule. I own my life and my reality.

God would own all because God is all and God can do whatever he/It wants including destroy the entire universe.

Touche. You play the devil's advocate well lol.

Ok, so even if he could, would it be logical to? Would it be loving? I say no.

Anything could be considered "logical."

The human body is animated by spirit. It is attached to its power source by what some call a "silver cord." Consider that cord to be like an electric cord going to your lamp shade. If you unplug the lamp, it does not work. Have you killed it? Have you broken it? No.
Eventually, over time, the lamp will turn to dust. (lots of time)

That is how the body is. If you unplug it from source, it will die. It usually takes three days to be completely totally dead.

The source, is your "soul" or your higher self. It is now free to go somewhere else. For Christians, they believe it will return to God or go to heaven.

Is it kind, is it loving:

Often when people die, their souls are 'taken up' before the death. This can also happen to people who are in a terrible accident. They will be taken out of their bodies so they will not have to experience the pain of the operation or accident. Sometimes they will even remember being out of their bodies watching it.

Most of the time they will not remember it at all, and sometimes their memories will erase even some time before the accident. That is how some people get amnesia after trauma.

That happened to me after a fall off of a horse. It happened to my sister when she had a terrible car accident.

There was a story of a man who could see aura's around people's heads. He thought that was normal and everyone could see them. One day he was about to get on an elevator. The door opened and there were three people there. They were alive and well, but they did not have their aura's around their heads. This startled the man, and he did not get on the elevator.

That elevator broke and crashed and the three people died.

Wow, that's something else. It's like he had a sixth sense wherever he went.

well it doesn't require proof as the psychiatric diagnosis goes. simply requires evidence of an alternate explanation and still believing in a concept such as christianity. if a christian were to agree that his way of thinking might be wrong in light of evidence for say, the big bang, then he/she would not meet the diagnosis of delusional. it's when you hold your belief as sacred and refuse to accept the possibility of an alternate concept that the christian can be diagnosed as delusional.


proof in science is rare as stated here:


"A good theory will describe a large range of phenomena on the basis of a few simple postulates and will make definite predictions that can be tested. If the predictions agree with the observations, the theory survives that test, though it can never be proved to be correct."

Stephen Hawking, the universe in a nutshell.


and of course creationism does not even measure up to this definition of a theory.

I disagree there, its not merely a POSSIBILITY of an alternate answer that deems one delusional in their steadfast belief

as I have mentioned before about my father(biological)
I believe steadfastly he is my father, noone has shown me anything like PROOF otherwise, yet it is of course POSSIBLE that someone else was my father

what keeps my steadfast belief from being a delusion is, although there are other POSSIBILITIES , there is no PROOF contradicting what I believe,,

is it POSSIBLE someone else fathered me ? of course, is it Possible that ninety percent of what I read in school was someones made up BS? of course it is

but we usually function from a foundation of information that we use as just that , a foundation, which means there is a need for it to be firmly placed and believed,,,

or we could walk around with an attitude that anythings possible so why be certain of anything