So if you got a message from God to kill your neighbors little child of 3 years old to save mankind from sins....you would do it????

Really???

Now this was a message from God walking down from the clouds and saying...you must kill the little child and you will be saved to go to heaven as of all mankind.


I find it sad.....that many people would do this.

because....

they do not think for themselves and believe blindly on a faith of no reasons, no feelings, and no sincerity in life.

MorningSong you are like the devil asking people to follow a book that in reality hurts, deceits, contradicts, and kills innocent people.

I feel sorry for you as I do for so many people who follow such brainwashing methods.

The people in Biblical times conceived of God based upon this brutal world and the brutal rulers they have known. This God can be cruel. He can be kind. He is cruel with those who do not submit to his rule and obey his every command. He can be kind with those who do. This God can slam the world with a flood for disobedience, require Abraham to sacrifice his only son, pulverize the Egyptian nation with devastating plagues, send snakes to kill 3000 people for their disobedience, and be pleased when babies are dashed against the rocks (Psalms 137:9). He can send a drought or famine or plague of locusts or even another nation to kill every man women, child and animal for being disobedient. This God also threatens us with eternal punishment if we don’t think the evidence to believe in him is convincing. This God is described as a God of War, a Jealous God, and an Avenging God. This would be the divine model we find as the model for man’s lordship over the earth. Be kind to subjects who are in obedience. But be very harsh toward those subjects who are disobedient. Trample on them. Break them down. It was a patriarchal world. Mankind was to dominate over the world just as God ruled. And so it couldn’t have been a pretty world to live in as women, slaves, children or animals. If a fig tree produced fruit, for instance, bless it, but if it didn’t, then curse it as Jesus did (Matthew 21:18-19).


Don't follow the bible, but follow your heart and sanity of what people call common sense.

Realize there are far better spiritual practices that doesn't require such fear mongering technics. These belief systems don't knock on your door asking you to join. They don't knock on your door consistently either hoping you will change your mind. These belief systems don't have requirements, but open their arms and say welcome. Research and really open your eyes. Don't follow the mediterrenean mythologies. Follow your heart and mind and you will know what is right.

Good luck folks and if anyone did study the bible and doesn't agree with it, please post the psalms in here to show the contradictions or illogical facts of why we shouldn't follow such rules. Thank you!

God would never do that. All judgment lies in the hands of Jesus. That is why in the "old testament" times, people judged others. Because "Jesus" wasn't in the picture yet, Jesus hadn't been made flesh to carry out the judgment(s). But now that the word has been made flesh eg., Jesus, it can carry out the judgment(s) on his own and we are no longer to judge others.

Greeneyman, you are like a lost child afraid of the dark. Instead of coming out of the dark, you bring your teddy bear, your stuffed dog, and everything else you can find in the dark with you to keep you comforted. Why try to bring other's into the blinding dark?

So you know personally god would never do that. I find that illogical that people claim this also.

I find it also surely illogical that one follows such doctrines to live a life full of happiness.

Your religion has forced their belief system destroying many cultures throughout history. I am afraid I am more open to a wide range of belief systems and ideas then you are. You have been stuck reading the bible while I was enjoying different philosophies. So who truly is god fearing and scared??? I think it would be you.

It is you that is in the dark for believing it. Afterall it was the Christians who created the ((dark)) ages. They brought fear into the people blaming "witches" , "infidels", "heathens", for the butonic plague or other catastrophes that we can explain scientifically why they happened.

I feel very sorry for you.

While you go read your ridiculous verses, I shall enjoy my life without acting as if I am a sinner like you people do. I shall not repent or walk around in fear if god will judge me on that day.

I shall walk knowing life is good at this moment and never look back.

Good luck with your fairy tale book. If you want to read a really good fairy tale book ....read the brother Grimm's work. They are very entertaining. :).....and don't forget to bring your teddy bear since you mentioned it.

Greeneyman...I'll close with this :


Instead of coming on this forum with an agenda,

I suggest you first pick up the bible,

and read it to gain at least some understanding ....

before further commenting on the subject .

and I will end with this with you

I suggest you pick up on buddhism or a more peaceful spirituality

and use your time more constructively understanding life can be much more beautiful then what the bible offers.

I have read the bible....and it goes straight to the trash can for it is not a world and idealogy I feel is good for our children or future generations.

I commented, I posted verses, and I can post many more on the bible....


and in the end

It is a fairytale book to scare people and become God fearing ....

Good luck on whatever you are trying to do when you post bible links on every thread acting like you know the way to the truth when in reality....you don't.

My religion did no such thing. The people that claimed to be of the belief did, yes. But the religion itself does not teach to behave as such. And not scared of God nor do I "fear" God. Growing up, were you "Scared" of your parents and or feared them? I would assume not, you were obedient to them out of love. Same as I am with God. I am obedient through my love I possess for God, not out of fear.

John 5:22
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

My parents raised me without the bible and I came out great. Better then most who were forced to believe such fairytales. Your religion is but 1 of the 38,000 denominations that has altered the bible's stories. That people believe in it without looking at other religions and spiritual practices first amazes me. Open your mind and see the many lifestyles, cultures, belief systems. Listen to scientists on what they are showing you physically often. Look into other possiblities. Become a Socrates and question everything. You will see more and experience more then a book full of fables. You will be surprised!

Anyway if not now...maybe later...and if not later then good luck with that one book.

To bad it doesn't apply to me. I can judge if I like. Afterall I am not a christian! lol

but out of all the people in the world the christians are the ones that judge the most with their superstitions.

The entire nation of native americans were wiped out in less then a hundred years because of superstitions from the bible. As they converted native americans they would tell them to attack the neighboring native american tribes so they can be saved and go to heaven.

Yes convert now if you are not of Christian faith. There is still time! Do it! Forget what you have practiced....it is wrong! Convert.

and if they didn't....

The christians installed fear....

and if they didn't convert even then...

They created reasons to kill them.

Yes or do you think innocent children, women, and men slaughtered...every single one of them in a town was justified just because they didn't convert...just because they chose their own spiritual happiness??

Look for what it is and not what you hear others say. You will see the history and the truth of how dangerous this religion you practice is.

Good to see that you're so prideful in yourself and think greatly of oneself :)




If you are going to wall mart and you know that if you take Center street, you'll get to wall mart, why would you take any other possible route? Why would you waste your time to possibly end up in the middle of no where?

And this practice is not supported by the scriptures, so therefore is not an example of a "Christian". This is again just someone's choice of actions. They are the one's to blame, not the Christian faith, as again the faith does no support behaving as such.

You truly think this is a true statement? I want you to try your theory out. I want you to go to Australia, and break every law you can think of. When you are taken to court for your misbehaving, I wish for you to tell them exactly this "To bad your laws don't apply to me, afterall I am not Australian.

I choose to know how many different ways I can go to walmarkt and not just one way. So therefore if there is a shortcut I can take it. If there is a long way but more romantic I will take that another day and if there is a dead end one day , I can take the other route.

Whereas you will only know one way to walmarkt...too bad.


And yes what I mention about historical evidence of christians forcing their religion is supported by the verses on how God behaves with his subjects. The god of the gods demanding obedience or consequences will occur. You do not have the right to choose another religion or you will be casted out as a infidel. Fortunately our forefathers made sure that government and religion stay separated. It is the reason why they left England in the first place and sacrificed their lives in ensuring "freedom of speech".

Unfortunately, the Christians are trying hard to do otherwise and make this country into a theocracy. Just look at history and you will see what I am talking about. Take your eyes off the bible once in awhile and read other books.

All 38,000 denominations of Christianity is wrong. The only thing that might qualify as worth reading is perhaps Jesus's attempts to resolve situations peaceful as opposed of the jealous abrahamic god fear.

Look at older spiritual practices and you will see they are much more realistic. Try it! You will be surprised. :)

Judging people and breaking laws are two different things.

I can judge people if I like. Do I do it? Sometimes but not often. We are human and we have opinions.

Now if it is laws. Well I do follow laws all the time, yet I will protest if a law is wrong. It is my right also.

And I protest the bible which is often used as a stepping stone for people to be obedient to their god and others. Whereas I say it is the stepping stone of fearing everything you do in life. There are many laws created before the bible. Look into the Roman Republic and Ancient Greece the first Direct Democracy. I also find it funny how Christians claim that the United States was created on the idealogies of the bible's teachings. It just shows how brainwashed, monotone, and inaccurate people are when it comes to the past. Study history and see how you can learn from it to make it a better place for future generations. The answers are not in the bible at all, but in the imaginations of deep thinkers...off free thinkers who really want to provide equality amongst everyone. We have gone a long ways. Let us not ruin it with fairy tale books.

Every time we give an example of the evils of the Church someone says, "Oh they do not represent Christians." Blame them as individuals, don't blame Christianity. Or they say: "They are not true Christians."

Yet they all cling to and worship the same book.

You don't need that book to love God. You don't need that book to have faith.

If I see evil acts connected to an organized religion at its core, (which in Christianity is the Catholic Church,) I have to assume that evil begets evil.

Why do you suppose the church broke up? Because people, good people saw that evil also. They thought they could do better. So they went off and formed their own denomination.

Then the denominations broke apart and divided many times until there are so many you can't keep track of them. They all point at each other and say "They are not true Christians" or "Only our church has been given the authority to baptize." It goes on and on.

We non Christians are astonished at what we see. What we hear coming out of people's mouths is sometimes frightening and unbelievable and we think to ourselves.... are these people insane?"

Where do they get these ideas? Why are they all different from each other? How can they possibly expect people to believe that stuff?

How can so many nice people be persuaded to serve such evil?

And they have the nerve to tell me I serve evil.

I am so ashamed of America right now for having assassinated a man and his family in the way that they did and I see Christian Americans saying things like "Nuke them all."

I am so ashamed and so very sad for this country.

Sometimes I just want to cry.

You missed the point entirely. I was speaking of your comment of the laws don't apply to you cause you're not Christian. So in those terms, the Australian laws wouldn't apply to you cause you're not Australian with your way of thinking. But good night, I am done with you for tonight. This conversation is going no where fast.

Agreed, God isn't in a book.

Then ditch the book.

Stop worshiping the book.

No one worships a book.