I did not say I knew that for a fact. I'm just not gullible enough to believe that kind of bald faced lie.

Neither do I believe any other people who claim to hear God tell them to kill someone. That's just crazy stuff.

No one told anyone to kill anyone. There is a huge difference between killing someone and judging someone and sentencing them to death. Killing/murderering is what criminals do, murderers do. Death penalty from a righteous judgment is completely different and or a judgment from a judge.

Yes calling them Jesus would be dishonest and lying, but saying you've seen Jesus when seeing these things is not. This person wouldn't say they seen Jesus do these kind things, merely would say they seen Jesus when they seen these things.

Say you and a spouse took evening walks most every night, you enjoyed this greatly, put a huge impression on your heart. Then your spouse passes away. Quite a bit of people take this walk even after that, they do this to remember their loss and to "feel their presence" because it reminds them greatly about their lost spouse.

Would they be dishonest if they said they can feel their spouse when they take these walks? No, they would not be. Because they didn't say or mean they could physically feel their spouse.

Yes, the persons of Moses and/or Joshua claim that "THE LORD" told them to kill, murder, slaughter, etc.

There was no court of law. Just a delusional crazy person who hears voices and thinks they are God.

That is not Judging or sentencing. That is bull crap crazy stuff. Like these crazy serial killers who claim God told them to kill someone. THEY ARE DELUSIONAL. Or possessed by demons or aliens.

I am trying to get you to snap out if it. This is crazy delusional stuff.

God does not come down to the earth and get involved in the petty problems of mankind and wars. Who ever was doing that was NOT GOD.
Joshua and Moses were bamboozled or else they were simply lieing and using God to do their EVIL DEEDS!

You will KNOW EVIL BY THEIR DEEDS.

Stoning a man to death for picking up sticks on the wrong day of the week is EVIL plain and simple. Its insane. Its cruel. It is not God's will.

How is it evil, insane, or cruel, and how is it not God's will?

Sin = disobeying God's rules/laws.

God's law = For us NOT to labor on the Sabath, not to work, not to put mind to money, but to give him at least just one day of your week, not putting thought to worldly things.

The only reward/outcome of sin is death.

Someone works on the Sabath and are put to death.

Sounds like he was warned, so it's neither cruel or insane. This man was being DISOBEDIENT, so all in all, this man was the one being cruel and was insane for doing as such knowing the outcome of such an action. Sounds like he pretty much committed suicide.

Yes it is dishonest. People doing kind things etc. is just what it is.

But I am referring to people who I have heard state that they heard or saw Jesus and he told them this or that etc. I'm not going to say that they are lying, but I am going to say that this delusion is one of their own making. It came from their own mind. It is their own personal experience that they themselves created.

I have known people who believed so strongly in a certain magical guru that did not exist that they could actually see and talk to them. Said guru was one that was totally made up by Paul Twitchell who started a religion called Eckankar. Mind you, these "spiritual gurus" did not even exist and never did.

The mind can create these things if you believe them strongly enough. That is why I don't believe or trust those kinds of stories coming from characters in the Bible. I wouldn't believe them today so why would I believe them in a 2000 year old book?

These are mental constructs and delusions.

And that's the truth.

If this is what you believe and if this is the way you intend to live your life, with these kinds of insane beliefs, then you, in my opinion are a very dangerous person. Perhaps a potential religious psychotic like "Son of Sam" who obeys a voice he thinks is God telling him to do something.

I suggest you see a doctor.

I see your point, I am possibly a very dangerous person. I mean who wouldn't be, loving and treating people with love, geeze what am I thinking. Putting other's before me in what I do, say, or act upon. Making sure other's are taken care before me. Not physically or emotionally harming another. Thanks, I see clearly now, the rain is gone, and it's gonna be a bright, bright sun shiny day.

And no God doesn't tell us "mentally" in that exact sense. We don't hear voices lol. God works with our "conscience". God lets us know what we do, have done, or are doing is wrong or right if you allow him. And still, yeah I see where this is potentially a horrible thing putting other's well being before mine, I see how you can see this as a totally evil action.

How is it dishonest? Even if it is fictional, someone claiming they see someone/something because of something happening happens all the time. It's call memory of that being they seen.

Say you and someone would regularly do paintings. This other person just absolutely loved to paint dragons. This person becomes very close to you in your heart. This person then passes away. You miss this person horribly. So when you see a dragon, you might very possibly think of her, remember her and the time ya'll spent together doing those paintings and possibly other great memories. You can then say you have seen her in that painting, and or seen her when you seen that picture.

It's not ment in a literal sense when someone says they seen Jesus because of things like your example(s). They didn't physically see Jesus.

I am glad that you don't hear voices.

But there are plenty of people who actually do. They are psychotic and delusional. Which is what I think Moses and Joshua were. Or else they were liars. Or else the whole story was just fictitious.

But what I mean about you being 'dangerous' is when you support or make excuses for a man being stoned to death for picking sticks up on Saturday ... or Sunday... or what ever day it was, thats just nuts.

How can anyone defend that kind of insane idea with a strait face and then turn around and claim to be a loving, kind person?

If you had been there, you would have been one of the people throwing stones and killing that guy because it was supposedly ordered by God. THAT is why I say that you are dangerous.

Any demon could appear before you and convince you that he is Jesus and order you to do something terrible and convince you it will save the world. You could easily be convinced.

I know this because SOMEONE has already convinced you of a bunch of crazy stuff already and it was probably not even a demon. I was probably humans, probably your parents.

First off, God isn't a "fairy tell". It's not follow the yellow brick road kind of thing. It's real, it's life. And life isn't always sweet and innocent. And you see the stoning of someone to death for disobeying God's laws as being "evil". So guess the entire world is evil, we do have the death penalty for the breaking of some laws. So why is it seen as death penalty for breaking God's law(s) as "evil" but yet it's not "evil" for man to give man the death penalty for breaking their laws? If that was seen as "evil" by most to all the people, it wouldn't exist. So why do we have the death penalty?

Its "fairy Tale."

And for your information I have my own personal belief in what God is.

The "fairy Tale" is the Bible. True or not, the "fairy tale" is Moses telling people that he talks to God or Joshua claiming the same.



There is a question also as to whether that was really "one of God's laws." This story was in the old Testament. This was Judaism, not Christianity. There is no proof that this was one of God's laws or even any proof that God had any laws. People made all of those laws up.

And what I am questioning is the story that Moses heard God tell him to kill the man. I don't believe this is true, and I don't believe any God told him that. That is the point I am making. You have been bamboozled to such a point you don't even hear or understand what I am saying.

Real life is you don't kill someone for working on the Sabbath. THATS REAL LIFE. Even if they did back then, real life is that is a pretty harsh punishment and it is evil to ask the guys friends and relatives to pick up stones and commit murder just because some crazy guy named Moses who claims to talk to God and tells them to. That is evil.

KNOW EVIL BY THEIR DEEDS.

What is more evil, stoning a man to death, or working on Sunday? Use your mind and your common sense. Forget the claim about "God's law." There was NO SUCH LAW! EVER!




This is not about man's law or the death penalty.

This is about a crazy person who claims to talk to God and orders people to pick up rocks and stone a person to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath.

Its about CRAZY.

I won't defend or support any religion who defends or supports CRAZY STUFF.

All you state is opinionated. You say this or that is evil, immoral, ect. But that revolves around an opinion. Who's to say your morals trump another's? How can you say this or that is immoral when another says it's perfectly moral? Who's to say your opinion on things as such trumps another? And just because you don't believe, doesn't make it any less of a true thing, you just don't believe. Someone could tell you they saw so and so, but you think they lied about it. This doesn't make them a liar, only makes you "blind" to the truth.



No it's not about "man's" law. It is about law in general. And man's law was mentioned for comparison. And it is totally about the death penalty. You brought up the man being stoned, that is the death penalty for breaking of God's laws.

Because I KNOW EVIL WHEN I SEE IT.

My heart cries out for any man being stoned to death by his friends on the orders of some crazy tyrant who claims to speak to God.

I KNOW this is evil.




I am saying it NOW.



I don't believe LIES.




I happen to have an inner lie detector.
If they lie, I know they lie.

Its a gift from God.

The point is that the punishment didn't have to resort to a death.


And in some parts of the world there is still a law that allows folks to stone someone to death. The radical muslims do it today.

It is a sad story

but we still have many of them

like the slave trade that is still going on in the 21st century!

Yes Moses must have been very influential to have people follow his directions to stone a person for picking up sticks on sabath day.

Anyway the next verse coming soon. :)

It is the will of God that you commit genocide when he wants you to:

“When the LORD your God brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and clears away many nations before you … and when the LORD your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them. Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them. You shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons.”

Deuteronomy 7:1-3


I have a feeling this is what Hitler read when he looked into the bible and determined to create genocide on his account. Again how could you follow such guidance from a book? Common Sense would tell you that there is a better way to go about this, yet I bet pastors create speeches on Sundays to change the words of the bible to influence people to believe in it. Afterall, you have 38,000 denominations to choose from!

Again, these are the false Gods who were manipulating mankind to commit genocide of certain groups of people who they considered were not of the correct Ademic stock. (From Adam and Eve)

They were attempting to control the spread of the mixed seed by forbidding them to marry these people also.

It all about the bloodlines of the humans on the earth and the "Gods" were these "creator beings" who were nothing more than aliens or beings from another world who were playing around with the primitive humans evolving on the earth.

Ultimately, their efforts failed, humans inter-married and the "pure" Ademic stock which was supposed to be the "master race" was mixed with every other kind of humans. The controllers eventually realized they were not going to solve the problem, but genocide is still practiced today to rid the earth of some of what they call their people "problems."

The native Americans in this country were killed off or reduced in numbers for the same reason. There were also similar natives in Canada and these were more recently diminished purposely, sterilized etc. Mass murders happen all over the world and people are buried in mass graves and no body knows about it. Sometimes they are discovered.

Doesn't Scientology have the same story which is based on a science fiction book written by its founder?

Aliens came to rule and created humans to do slave labor. They put down laws not to marry or mix with the imperfect species and death would be punishment and so forth......

I mean that is also considered a fairy tale for many people Jeannie.

I am agnostic so I don't exclude any story...not even the Christians....but I just know I wouldn't follow any of them for they are truly harsh and wrong.

I am for interracial relationships!!! So I already have many not liking me because of that. lol

I am for punishment but not in the form of death.. Again many don't like me because of that!

And how these books read makes you wonder why people follow them, but again I wonder alot about us homosapiens with our opinions and what we think is right.

I'm not very familiar with Scientology, but I think they have some sort of similar story. There are quite a few sources for similar stories, and many of them agree on what happened.

Whether you call them "aliens" or "angels" or "Gods" there is overwhelming evidence of an advanced civilization who did this kind of stuff.

I have picked information from many different sources and what I have written here agrees in general with these sources.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone call them "fairy tales."

There have even been some very good documentaries about an advanced race on the History and Discovery Channels recently. These things used to be shown on the Sci-fi channel. But not any more, as evidence becomes more convincing.

More than 69% of the population believe in aliens, and many of these people claim to have seen UFO's and there are thousands who claim to have direct contact or been abducted. Its nothing to scoff at.

But scoff people still do. Oh well.