Weddings are not public and are only part of a marriage. Flag burning by definition is public. It is in no way the same. sorry.

Haha :) I love patriots........to a point.

Flag burning... Legal. For a fact.

Beating the shyte out of someone because you are "offended" by their freedom of speech... ILLEGAL


*ahem* but YOU will be arrested BEFORE the flag burner.

The flag of the United States is sometimes symbolically burnt, often in protest of the policies of the American government, both within the country and abroad. The United States Supreme Court in Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989), and reaffirmed in U.S. v. Eichman, 496 U.S. 310 (1990), has ruled that due to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, it is unconstitutional for a government (whether federal, state, or municipality) to prohibit the desecration of a flag, due to its status as "symbolic speech." However, content-neutral restrictions may still be imposed to regulate the time, place, and manner of such expression.

a wedding can be held in a public place , that is a PUBLIC wedding, and (similar to a public flag burning in a public place) does not REQUIRE the attendance of those who dont wish to witness it

Thats like saying driving and eating a hamburger is the same because you drive in the street and can eat a hamburger in the street.

I gave the definition of flag mutilation which is what flag burning is. It is not a flag burning unless it is in public. The "a" makes it a noun. A flag burning. This noun has a special meaning. Again its not the same as a wedding which is still a wedding whether or not its public or private.

which doesnt change the fact that you would have the same legal justification for reacting violent to one as the other

you also could not beat someone down for driving in the street, anymore than you could for eating in the street

and it would be sad, to me, if people supported someone choosing to do so

I admire your ability to try to reason with a generation raised on big time "wrastlin". These folks are so hard wired on "western type justice" they realy do not have a clue about being an adult american. One only need to look at Randy Savage aka macho man thread to see what types of people even know who he is or why we should be mourning his passing.

Remember your debateing with people who never even served the military yet are willing to assault a flag burner.

I admire your ability to try to reason with a generation raised on big time "wrastlin". These folks are so hard wired on "western type justice" they realy do not have a clue about being an adult american. One only need to look at Randy Savage aka macho man thread to see what types of people even know who he is or why we should be mourning his passing.

Remember your debateing with people who never even served the military yet are willing to assault a flag burner.

I admire your ability to try to reason with a generation raised on big time "wrastlin". These folks are so hard wired on "western type justice" they realy do not have a clue about being an adult american. One only need to look at Randy Savage aka macho man thread to see what types of people even know who he is or why we should be mourning his passing.

Remember your debateing with people who never even served the military yet are willing to assault a flag burner.

I admire your ability to try to reason with a generation raised on big time "wrastlin". These folks are so hard wired on "western type justice" they realy do not have a clue about being an adult american. One only need to look at Randy Savage aka macho man thread to see what types of people even know who he is or why we should be mourning his passing.

Remember your debateing with people who never even served the military yet are willing to assault a flag burner.

so how do you know no one was in the military? you a mind reader or are you "just that smart"? you should stick to your conspiracy theories, because you obviously have no idea what your talking about here either...

I would say four out of five of the most hardcore warmongers on this site never served. The word used to describe them is chickenhawks.

Here is wikis definition.

Chickenhawk (also chicken hawk and chicken-hawk) is a political epithet used in the United States to criticize a politician, bureaucrat, or commentator who strongly supports a war or other military action, yet who actively avoided military service when of age.

The term is meant to indicate that the person in question is cowardly or hypocritical for personally avoiding combat in the past while advocating that others go to war in the present. Generally, the implication is that "chickenhawks" lack the experience, judgment, or moral standing to make decisions about going to war. The term is not applied to those who avoided military service without subsequently adopting a hawkish political outlook.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_(politics)

the only conspiracy theory I buy into is 911. Only a rube can fall for that one.

I have been over that one many times.

It has been the excuse for everything that has been bad for this country.


Even if it is true and a bunch of Saudis used boxcutters to bring this nation to its knees we are still the laughingstock of the free world.

i can't say about anyone else, but i served my time in the navy... you can believe whatever you want, and make all the assumptions you want... but it did happen, and it is 10 years in the past now... but i guess it will be like kennedy, 200 years from now there will be some people still trying to blame the government... good luck with that, when you (if ever) have any slight proof, let me know...

Oh I never said it was illegal to burn the flag or legal to beat him. It is illegal to beat anyone but if say a rapist is beat after getting off on his trial I wont be upset. Thats what I am saying about a flag burner.

Maybe some people would think it would be worth it. I wouldn't personally do it because I don't think the reward out weighs the risk. I just wouldn't be saddened if it happened.

I May be much less sad if someone sustains personal injury to their body who has CAUSED personal injury to someone elses body(as in the case of a rape crime)

thats a much different story than someone sustaining personal injury to their body for burning their own property (with permission from the law)

Ok...........everyone knows that it's illegal to beat someone over burning a flag. It's not the burning of a $3.99 Wal-Mart flag made in China that people get upset about. It's the fact that once that red, white, and blue material is arranged into a US flag, it becomes a symbol of something much more to a lot of people. That's called patriotism. And it's a common cultural stance to be offended when the flag is burned...that's just how it is.

being 'offended' is indeed a common cultural stance

people are 'offended' by homosexuals protesting to make marriage a mere 'consentual adult' relationship,,but I would not condone anyone beating the crap out of those protestors

people are 'offended' when bibles are burned, but I would not condone anyone beating the crap out of someone who did so

violence is NOT a civilized or rational response to non violent offenses,,,

Whoa........lol.....no where did I state that I "condone" the beating of someone who burns the flag, I was simply explaining why citizens get in an uproar when someone burns the flag. No amount of explaining the consequences is going to change that. Especially in a forum where people are typing replies safely behind a keyboard.

Same way that some get offended when bibles are burned. It's not right for people to react to it physically, but it happens. It's human nature and the majority of the population reacts before they think.

I understand you didnt condone it, my post was only about those who do

now, as to human nature,, that could be a whole nother thread,, isnt ANYTHING humans do or are capable of doing,, human nature?.... and does human nature serve as an excuse or justification for whatever humans choose to do?

No, human nature is not an excuse. But that won't stop it from happening. You're not taking the other side into account. The flag is burnt by someone seeking attention. Any person desecrating something that others consider a symbol of something good that there is the real possibility of getting the #$%$ beat out of them if they burn a flag, book, statue, etc. Now making the decision to go ahead and do it when there is an opposing crowd around you lacks common sense no matter what the law says.