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Agreed Harmony Why do most Americans automatically associate their flag directly with deceased war veterans? When it most likely is against the government, AND NOT THE PEOPLE! I just don't understand the logic. Could the association perhaps be changed to the space program? As in... I'll burn this friggin flag because I hate NASA, instead of war veterans? would that be UN-American too? I'm thinking the masses wouldn't get so bent out of shape over NASA would they?. So why for war vets? Totally unrelated IMO. why do you want to burn a flag period? you hate something so your going to burn something? how childish is that? like i said before, show me one instance where burning a flag did any good what so ever... I wouldn't burn anything. How childish is NOT supporting the Commander in Chief of your democratically elected government 100%? That seems so much more serious than any flag burnin IMO. See my point? Get a grip and stop breeding your own brand of patriotism. Cheers! LOL, now i have to support someone i don't like? now i'm chilish because obama is a losing effort? nice try to change the subject... flag burning serves no purpose what so ever, and no, i don't get your point... sounds like more liberal "change the subject because i have no real point here" type logic... |
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We had a guy at OSU (okla) that would come on campus and "preach". His name was preacher Bob. His whole point was to piss people off badly enough to physically assult him so he could sue the campus and the person that did it. This could be what we are really looking at here. So many people just try to be a victim so they can file lawsuits. I think he has the right to burn the flag in protest. Someone burning the flag in protest doesnt bother me because it doesn't effect my beliefs or patriotism. If he wants people to hate him that's fine with me. He will end up like the people who protest funeral's of soldiers. We will find legal or semi-legal ways of dealing with them. I don't think giving him an old fashioned American a** beating will change his mind or stop any future burnings and it could be what he is really looking for, just to sue the pants off anyone he can when its over. I agree, and it could be those who would BEAT him are exactly the TYPE of americans he is thinking of when he burns that flag,,, all americans arent alike, one flag cannot possibly represent EVERYTHING about all of us,,, obviously not you...since you have no patriotism |
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Agreed Harmony Why do most Americans automatically associate their flag directly with deceased war veterans? When it most likely is against the government, AND NOT THE PEOPLE! I just don't understand the logic. Could the association perhaps be changed to the space program? As in... I'll burn this friggin flag because I hate NASA, instead of war veterans? would that be UN-American too? I'm thinking the masses wouldn't get so bent out of shape over NASA would they?. So why for war vets? Totally unrelated IMO. why do you want to burn a flag period? you hate something so your going to burn something? how childish is that? like i said before, show me one instance where burning a flag did any good what so ever... I wouldn't burn anything. How childish is NOT supporting the Commander in Chief of your democratically elected government 100%? That seems so much more serious than any flag burnin IMO. See my point? Get a grip and stop breeding your own brand of patriotism. Cheers! LOL, now i have to support someone i don't like? now i'm chilish because obama is a losing effort? nice try to change the subject... flag burning serves no purpose what so ever, and no, i don't get your point... sounds like more liberal "change the subject because i have no real point here" type logic... point being, some claim to love america more than they love the AMERICANS who populate it and others love the AMERICANS who populate it, and the freedom which allows that population to be so diverse in its opinions and beliefs some will care more about the THINGS which 'represent' people, and others will actually care more about the PEOPLE those things represent |
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We had a guy at OSU (okla) that would come on campus and "preach". His name was preacher Bob. His whole point was to piss people off badly enough to physically assult him so he could sue the campus and the person that did it. This could be what we are really looking at here. So many people just try to be a victim so they can file lawsuits. I think he has the right to burn the flag in protest. Someone burning the flag in protest doesnt bother me because it doesn't effect my beliefs or patriotism. If he wants people to hate him that's fine with me. He will end up like the people who protest funeral's of soldiers. We will find legal or semi-legal ways of dealing with them. I don't think giving him an old fashioned American a** beating will change his mind or stop any future burnings and it could be what he is really looking for, just to sue the pants off anyone he can when its over. I agree, and it could be those who would BEAT him are exactly the TYPE of americans he is thinking of when he burns that flag,,, all americans arent alike, one flag cannot possibly represent EVERYTHING about all of us,,, obviously not you...since you have no patriotism no, I am not loyal to any man made objects,, if thats ur idea of 'patriotism' |
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Agreed Harmony Why do most Americans automatically associate their flag directly with deceased war veterans? When it most likely is against the government, AND NOT THE PEOPLE! I just don't understand the logic. Could the association perhaps be changed to the space program? As in... I'll burn this friggin flag because I hate NASA, instead of war veterans? would that be UN-American too? I'm thinking the masses wouldn't get so bent out of shape over NASA would they?. So why for war vets? Totally unrelated IMO. why do you want to burn a flag period? you hate something so your going to burn something? how childish is that? like i said before, show me one instance where burning a flag did any good what so ever... I wouldn't burn anything. How childish is NOT supporting the Commander in Chief of your democratically elected government 100%? That seems so much more serious than any flag burnin IMO. See my point? Get a grip and stop breeding your own brand of patriotism. Cheers! LOL, now i have to support someone i don't like? now i'm chilish because obama is a losing effort? nice try to change the subject... flag burning serves no purpose what so ever, and no, i don't get your point... sounds like more liberal "change the subject because i have no real point here" type logic... point being, some claim to love america more than they love the AMERICANS who populate it and others love the AMERICANS who populate it, and the freedom which allows that population to be so diverse in its opinions and beliefs some will care more about the THINGS which 'represent' people, and others will actually care more about the PEOPLE those things represent i don't love the Americans that populate America, i love America. i love what it used to stand for, it's drive to be on top, to be the first to do something great and meaningful... i love the freedoms we used to have, the happiness that most other countries do not have...but along come the liberals, wanting to change all that, telling me who and what i have to like. saying it is ok to spit on the country that i love, to disrespect it. to not follow the laws, to not listen to what the people want, and to trample on our freedoms that so many have died for. if your saying you love all americans, then i say you are lying, because it is impossible. |
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msharmony
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Wed 05/18/11 11:43 AM
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Agreed Harmony Why do most Americans automatically associate their flag directly with deceased war veterans? When it most likely is against the government, AND NOT THE PEOPLE! I just don't understand the logic. Could the association perhaps be changed to the space program? As in... I'll burn this friggin flag because I hate NASA, instead of war veterans? would that be UN-American too? I'm thinking the masses wouldn't get so bent out of shape over NASA would they?. So why for war vets? Totally unrelated IMO. why do you want to burn a flag period? you hate something so your going to burn something? how childish is that? like i said before, show me one instance where burning a flag did any good what so ever... I wouldn't burn anything. How childish is NOT supporting the Commander in Chief of your democratically elected government 100%? That seems so much more serious than any flag burnin IMO. See my point? Get a grip and stop breeding your own brand of patriotism. Cheers! LOL, now i have to support someone i don't like? now i'm chilish because obama is a losing effort? nice try to change the subject... flag burning serves no purpose what so ever, and no, i don't get your point... sounds like more liberal "change the subject because i have no real point here" type logic... point being, some claim to love america more than they love the AMERICANS who populate it and others love the AMERICANS who populate it, and the freedom which allows that population to be so diverse in its opinions and beliefs some will care more about the THINGS which 'represent' people, and others will actually care more about the PEOPLE those things represent i don't love the Americans that populate America, i love America. i love what it used to stand for, it's drive to be on top, to be the first to do something great and meaningful... i love the freedoms we used to have, the happiness that most other countries do not have...but along come the liberals, wanting to change all that, telling me who and what i have to like. saying it is ok to spit on the country that i love, to disrespect it. to not follow the laws, to not listen to what the people want, and to trample on our freedoms that so many have died for. if your saying you love all americans, then i say you are lying, because it is impossible. its ok to spit on the country? how is that even possible? how do you disrespect a country anyway? isnt assault not following the laws? dont you feel the right not to listen to people who want to publicly protest with a flag burning? isnt freedom of SPEECH and EXPRESSION some of the freedoms many have died for? lol, arent you saying the flag represents ALL americans? arent you saying that everyone else has to revere it as much as you do for fear of being assaulted or labeled as unamerican? seems like alot of double standard going on,,, ,,,, 
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i won't burn the american flag,i don't believe in god(in god we trust)meh and i can't honestly say this is the best country in the world cause its the only one i've lived in...but i can say it's not as bad as living in other countries like north korea,i think
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Agreed Harmony Why do most Americans automatically associate their flag directly with deceased war veterans? When it most likely is against the government, AND NOT THE PEOPLE! I just don't understand the logic. Could the association perhaps be changed to the space program? As in... I'll burn this friggin flag because I hate NASA, instead of war veterans? would that be UN-American too? I'm thinking the masses wouldn't get so bent out of shape over NASA would they?. So why for war vets? Totally unrelated IMO. why do you want to burn a flag period? you hate something so your going to burn something? how childish is that? like i said before, show me one instance where burning a flag did any good what so ever... I wouldn't burn anything. How childish is NOT supporting the Commander in Chief of your democratically elected government 100%? That seems so much more serious than any flag burnin IMO. See my point? Get a grip and stop breeding your own brand of patriotism. Cheers! LOL, now i have to support someone i don't like? now i'm chilish because obama is a losing effort? nice try to change the subject... flag burning serves no purpose what so ever, and no, i don't get your point... sounds like more liberal "change the subject because i have no real point here" type logic... point being, some claim to love america more than they love the AMERICANS who populate it and others love the AMERICANS who populate it, and the freedom which allows that population to be so diverse in its opinions and beliefs some will care more about the THINGS which 'represent' people, and others will actually care more about the PEOPLE those things represent i don't love the Americans that populate America, i love America. i love what it used to stand for, it's drive to be on top, to be the first to do something great and meaningful... i love the freedoms we used to have, the happiness that most other countries do not have...but along come the liberals, wanting to change all that, telling me who and what i have to like. saying it is ok to spit on the country that i love, to disrespect it. to not follow the laws, to not listen to what the people want, and to trample on our freedoms that so many have died for. if your saying you love all americans, then i say you are lying, because it is impossible. its ok to spit on the country? how is that even possible? how do you disrespect a country anyway? isnt assault not following the laws? dont you feel the right not to listen to people who want to publicly protest with a flag burning? isnt freedom of SPEECH and EXPRESSION some of the freedoms many have died for? lol, arent you saying the flag represents ALL americans? arent you saying that everyone else has to revere it as much as you do for fear of being assaulted or labeled as unamerican? seems like alot of double standard going on,,, ,,,, how is that a double standard? you are saying it is a double standard for me thinking it is wrong? for every bit of effort you putting out saying he has the right, i don't think he does have that right. my personal opinion, but it is still mine to have. just because some liberal judge says it is ok, does not mean it is ok with me. i know what canhappen because of my actions, and prepared to deal with it. and i see your liberal logic has working again, i never said anyone had to "revere" the flag as much as me, i simply said don't burn it... no need to improvise with your liberalism. |
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So Harmony says its ok to burn it because its his property. You know in some countries once you are married the woman is your property. Would it be ok to burn her if you country says you have the right to?
Like we are saying there is no positive to flag burning. You can easily protest in other ways. The point is he is doing it to piss people off. If you are doing something to purposefully piss people off and get beat its your own fault. Responsibility for ones actions. Thats what it means to be an adult. |
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Flags should be burned when they are desicrated.......maybe the flag touched the ground.......do we know why the flag was marked for impending doom??
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Um.... Not that I condone flag burning but.... What the F**K happened to freedom of speech???? Not that I would ever do it cause I think it retarded and a waste of time, but if I was to burn the American flag it would be for one reason and one reason alone... The nation that created the flag is no longer the nation that should wave the flag. The three colors on the American Flag stand for: Red: Hardiness , valor,strength, and bravery We are a nation that is at war with countries we have no business being in. We are a country that cares not for our own homeless, but spends billions of dollars feeding the rest of the world's homeless.... White: peace and honesty Our politicians lie to us daily. Our own presidents can't keep their lies in order. We are AT WAR FOR 10 YEARS and apparently have no plans to withdraw... Blue: Vigilance, Perseverance, Justice, Truth, and Loyalty Oh sure, we are vigilant and persevere at killing and staying in war. We are vigilant at letting illegals take over our country and use our resources meant for the citizens. We let murderers free and wrongly execute innocent people http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty Our presidents and politicians lie to us, our government lies to us. We turn our backs on our own citizens and turn around and give the money and our military to places that don't want us or our help in the first place. Anyway, this is just my opinion. I'm not anti-American. I am just saying that we should have the right to express ourselves. After all, we can't say we are truly free if we don't have the rights to those freedoms. I am all for expressing yourself. Hell, if I saw a flag burner, someone slapping every man and woman who died for our country in the face, I would express myself and my opinions by beating the ever loving crap out of them. |
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Um.... Not that I condone flag burning but.... What the F**K happened to freedom of speech???? Not that I would ever do it cause I think it retarded and a waste of time, but if I was to burn the American flag it would be for one reason and one reason alone... The nation that created the flag is no longer the nation that should wave the flag. The three colors on the American Flag stand for: Red: Hardiness , valor,strength, and bravery We are a nation that is at war with countries we have no business being in. We are a country that cares not for our own homeless, but spends billions of dollars feeding the rest of the world's homeless.... White: peace and honesty Our politicians lie to us daily. Our own presidents can't keep their lies in order. We are AT WAR FOR 10 YEARS and apparently have no plans to withdraw... Blue: Vigilance, Perseverance, Justice, Truth, and Loyalty Oh sure, we are vigilant and persevere at killing and staying in war. We are vigilant at letting illegals take over our country and use our resources meant for the citizens. We let murderers free and wrongly execute innocent people http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty Our presidents and politicians lie to us, our government lies to us. We turn our backs on our own citizens and turn around and give the money and our military to places that don't want us or our help in the first place. Anyway, this is just my opinion. I'm not anti-American. I am just saying that we should have the right to express ourselves. After all, we can't say we are truly free if we don't have the rights to those freedoms. I am all for expressing yourself. Hell, if I saw a flag burner, someone slapping every man and woman who died for our country in the face, I would express myself and my opinions by beating the ever loving crap out of them. |
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I am all for expressing yourself. Hell, if I saw a flag burner, someone slapping every man and woman who died for our country in the face, I would express myself and my opinions by beating the ever loving crap out of them.  |
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Um.... Not that I condone flag burning but.... What the F**K happened to freedom of speech???? Not that I would ever do it cause I think it retarded and a waste of time, but if I was to burn the American flag it would be for one reason and one reason alone... The nation that created the flag is no longer the nation that should wave the flag. The three colors on the American Flag stand for: Red: Hardiness , valor,strength, and bravery We are a nation that is at war with countries we have no business being in. We are a country that cares not for our own homeless, but spends billions of dollars feeding the rest of the world's homeless.... White: peace and honesty Our politicians lie to us daily. Our own presidents can't keep their lies in order. We are AT WAR FOR 10 YEARS and apparently have no plans to withdraw... Blue: Vigilance, Perseverance, Justice, Truth, and Loyalty Oh sure, we are vigilant and persevere at killing and staying in war. We are vigilant at letting illegals take over our country and use our resources meant for the citizens. We let murderers free and wrongly execute innocent people http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty Our presidents and politicians lie to us, our government lies to us. We turn our backs on our own citizens and turn around and give the money and our military to places that don't want us or our help in the first place. Anyway, this is just my opinion. I'm not anti-American. I am just saying that we should have the right to express ourselves. After all, we can't say we are truly free if we don't have the rights to those freedoms. I am all for expressing yourself. Hell, if I saw a flag burner, someone slapping every man and woman who died for our country in the face, I would express myself and my opinions by beating the ever loving crap out of them. Frankly, thats none of your business. |
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Chickenhawk (also chicken hawk and chicken-hawk) is a political epithet used in the United States to criticize a politician, bureaucrat, or commentator who strongly supports a war or other military action, yet who actively avoided military service when of age.
The term is meant to indicate that the person in question is cowardly or hypocritical for personally avoiding combat in the past while advocating that others go to war in the present. Generally, the implication is that "chickenhawks" lack the experience, judgment, or moral standing to make decisions about going to war. The term is not applied to those who avoided military service without subsequently adopting a hawkish political outlook. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_wimp |
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Chickenhawk (also chicken hawk and chicken-hawk) is a political epithet used in the United States to criticize a politician, bureaucrat, or commentator who strongly supports a war or other military action, yet who actively avoided military service when of age. The term is meant to indicate that the person in question is cowardly or hypocritical for personally avoiding combat in the past while advocating that others go to war in the present. Generally, the implication is that "chickenhawks" lack the experience, judgment, or moral standing to make decisions about going to war. The term is not applied to those who avoided military service without subsequently adopting a hawkish political outlook. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_wimp And your point is? |
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i won't burn the american flag,i don't believe in god(in god we trust)meh and i can't honestly say this is the best country in the world cause its the only one i've lived in...but i can say it's not as bad as living in other countries like north korea,i think I wont burn the flag either. I also will not lie down with or fondle a woman, but most would be appalled at the notion that anyone should feel the right to assault those who do,,, |
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... or one could, as one of the Supreme Court justices who wrote the majority opinion for the cases that repealed statutes forbidding flag burning suggested and wave YOUR flag while he burns HIS.
Burning can't destroy that which was never there, and waving your flag while he burns his is a profound demonstration of just that fact. Just as you can't UNINVENT genius by burning the books that contains it, you can't destroy the genius of the underlying Constitutional principles by burning a mere icon. The same can't be said of those would-be dictators who, by wrapping themselves in the flag while they pillage personal freedoms, attempt to cloak the mischief of their lust for power in a cheap veneer of patriotism. It plays well with the sycophants, but in the end, the result is the always the same-- as with Joeseph McCarthy, NOT where the country needs to go. -Kerry O. |
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So Harmony says its ok to burn it because its his property. You know in some countries once you are married the woman is your property. Would it be ok to burn her if you country says you have the right to? Like we are saying there is no positive to flag burning. You can easily protest in other ways. The point is he is doing it to piss people off. If you are doing something to purposefully piss people off and get beat its your own fault. Responsibility for ones actions. Thats what it means to be an adult. give this a rest, a FLAG is not a LIFE,,,comparing it to a woman is kind of preposterous being an adult is allowing others to act as 'foolish' as they wish with their own MATERIAL property, and not putting your hands on them |
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Um.... Not that I condone flag burning but.... What the F**K happened to freedom of speech???? Not that I would ever do it cause I think it retarded and a waste of time, but if I was to burn the American flag it would be for one reason and one reason alone... The nation that created the flag is no longer the nation that should wave the flag. The three colors on the American Flag stand for: Red: Hardiness , valor,strength, and bravery We are a nation that is at war with countries we have no business being in. We are a country that cares not for our own homeless, but spends billions of dollars feeding the rest of the world's homeless.... White: peace and honesty Our politicians lie to us daily. Our own presidents can't keep their lies in order. We are AT WAR FOR 10 YEARS and apparently have no plans to withdraw... Blue: Vigilance, Perseverance, Justice, Truth, and Loyalty Oh sure, we are vigilant and persevere at killing and staying in war. We are vigilant at letting illegals take over our country and use our resources meant for the citizens. We let murderers free and wrongly execute innocent people http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-and-death-penalty Our presidents and politicians lie to us, our government lies to us. We turn our backs on our own citizens and turn around and give the money and our military to places that don't want us or our help in the first place. Anyway, this is just my opinion. I'm not anti-American. I am just saying that we should have the right to express ourselves. After all, we can't say we are truly free if we don't have the rights to those freedoms. I am all for expressing yourself. Hell, if I saw a flag burner, someone slapping every man and woman who died for our country in the face, I would express myself and my opinions by beating the ever loving crap out of them. really, so that flag represents EVERY MAN AND WOMAN who died for the country,, even the ones who after they return from wars broken and torn are thrown under the bus? should they be REVERING that flag ? does EVERYONE, regardless of how good or bad they have had it, regardless of what they have received in RETURN for their sacrifices ,,revere that FLAG like those of us who can sit here on computer screens never seeing battle or being away from our famillies for months and years, or being crippled or broken, and then being forgotten? should everyone , by mere coincidence of being born IN AMERICA feel great pride in any and everything AMerica has done to the point of WORSHIPPING a flag? |
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