You guys should give it a rest. You don't believe the same way. Period. Neither one is going to convince the other of anything. Right?
So why not just give it up?

The general religion chat is supposed to be a place to discuss different religions, not a place to beat each other over the head with your personal opinions.

Cowyboy, everyone in the world by now has heard the claims made by Christianity. There are churches on every other street corner. You are not going to find anyone who has not heard what you call "the good news."

Good news to me, would be that I won the lottery or something.

I'm listening to what you are saying my friend. I just don't agree with what you are saying.

The bottom line is quite simple. You are on a mission to shove your dogmatic religion down the throats of others. When they give their reasons why they don't accept it (i.e. they feel that it's utterly stupid and most likely just ignorant fables). Then you claim insult and injury.

That's hogwash. All they are doing is telling you why they refuse to accept your dogma as the "word of God". They are trying to tell you that they don't believe that it is intelligent enough to be the word of any God.

You say:


Well, you haven't shown and understanding at all.

You continually come right back at me with more excuses and attempts to try to convince me that the dogma isn't stupid.

So obviously you didn't understand.

And moreover, when you do that, I'm just going to try to re-explain to you why I don't accept your excuses for the dogma.

What you're doing is continually trying to SHOVE your dogma down my throat, and every time I spit it back up at you, you claim insult and injury and just try to SHOVE it right down my throat again.

I regurgitate, you claim insult, and SHOVE away again relentless.

You won't be happy until I swallow it and quit regurgitating it.

But that, my friend is never going to happen. This is why attempting to proselytize your religion to non-believers of your religion is FUTILE, and will only result in them telling you why they do not accept it. And if there reason is that they feel that the dogma itself is stupid and insulting, then that's their reason.

The whole sacrificial lamb thing where you are demanding that I must accept that a God had his totally innocence son crucified to pay for my sins is a totally SICK DEMENTED concept, as far as I'm concerned.

And I find it highly insulting that you would suggest that God would be like that, or that I would be in need of having someone crucified on a pole to pay for my sins.

Your very religious dogma OFFENDS ME!

I find your entire religion to be highly insulting, not only of me, but of any spiritual essence or beings that might even actual exist.

I find your religion to be an INSULT to humanity!

As well as an INSULT to any divine essence that might actually exist.

So I find you to be the epitome of insult because you refuse to quite proseylitzing your own personal warped version of Christianity on the GENERAL RELIGION FORMS.

How do you like them apples?

If you want to believe in Christianity more power to you!

Don't be trying to SHOVE it down my throat or I'll just throw it up all over you!

And if you're insulted by that I have absolutely no sympathy for you whatsoever. You religious arrogance is unbearable. And I personally find YOU to be highly insulting.

What you're doing is continually trying to SHOVE your dogma down my throat, and every time I spit it back up at you, you claim insult and injury and just try to SHOVE it right down my throat again.

You're truly not hearing me. You don't believe it, that's fine, enough said. I'm not shoving anything down anyone's throat. You don't believe, again that's fine. But you continually claim them to be folklore, fairytells, hearsay rumors, ect. It's one thing to state you don't believe in someone elses beliefs but it's another when you downgrade them to "folklore, fairytells, and rumors". If you do not wish to hear about God, I would suggest not talking in the GENERAL religion forum. General religion meaning any and all religions may be discussed here. Not going out of my way to shove anything down anyone's throat, just coming to discuss.

You're truly not hearing me. You don't believe it, that's fine, enough said. I'm not shoving anything down anyone's throat. You don't believe, again that's fine. But you continually claim them to be folklore, fairytells, hearsay rumors, ect. It's one thing to state you don't believe in someone elses beliefs but it's another when you downgrade them to "folklore, fairytells, and rumors". If you do not wish to hear about God, I would suggest not talking in the GENERAL religion forum. General religion meaning any and all religions may be discussed here. Not going out of my way to shove anything down anyone's throat, just coming to discuss.

cowboy

I would like to try to change this topic just a bit without getting too far off topic,,,,

I can appreciate and recognize what ( I think) is your motive. I ask as a fellow christian who ( I hope ) you know has admired and been fond of your faith since you first started posting,,,,how far do you think we should go to spread 'the word'?

I am of this philosophy: God Bless the child who has his own. Applying that to faith ,I tend to truly believe that people are 'touched' in some way or another to SEEK GOD and to SEEK the word,, and that nothing we do or say on our own can make that happen without it first happening through Gods will. Do you remember the story of Saul? Perhaps one of the biggest religious critics of his time until GOD touched him and changed his life.

Perhaps we should be careful not to take over what GOD has the power to do(change lives and minds and spirits..)

It is not going to be possible to share information with anyone , on any topic, who does not truly RESPECT your knowledge of the information. None of us can MAKE anyone believe or not believe, that has to start in side them. And if anyone has started inside of them a DESIRE to seek God they will be open to information on how to do so, but ONLY from those they trust have knowledge. I trust the knowledge you share most of the time but there are times when others CLEARLY dont and I would suggest lovingly , that you not continue to 'squander' it where it is not wanted or accepted(for whatever reason).

I am of this philosophy: God Bless the child who has his own. Applying that to faith ,I tend to truly believe that people are 'touched' in some way or another to SEEK GOD and to SEEK the word,, and that nothing we do or say on our own can make that happen without it first happening through Gods will. Do you remember the story of Saul? Perhaps one of the biggest religious critics of his time until GOD touched him and changed his life.

Cowboy wrote:

You're truly not hearing me. You don't believe it, that's fine, enough said. I'm not shoving anything down anyone's throat. You don't believe, again that's fine. But you continually claim them to be folklore, fairytells, hearsay rumors, ect. It's one thing to state you don't believe in someone elses beliefs but it's another when you downgrade them to "folklore, fairytells, and rumors". If you do not wish to hear about God, I would suggest not talking in the GENERAL religion forum. General religion meaning any and all religions may be discussed here. Not going out of my way to shove anything down anyone's throat, just coming to discuss.

They say there side, I say my side, we go separate ways.

The ancient Hebrew doctrine is in PUBLIC DOMAIN. Nobody owns it.

The Jews do not accept that Jesus was the Christ, so they too are saying that the New Testament is hearsay rumors or misunderstood folklore.

That is a VALID view.

My views on these same historical writings are just as valid.

You are totally over-reacting.

These are ancient stories that claim to say things about the creator of all humanity. I am a human. I have every right to comment on these stories.

You have no right to claim that this is a violation against you or your religion in any way.

You are in the wrong.

Yes and AGAIN, it is fine that one doesn't believe. But in a discussion one should have respect for the other and when discussing their side not insult the other's side. That's all I'm getting into. AGAIN, I've yes a couple times stated your beliefs to be fairy tells, ect and I apologized for this action. I did not mean to say that, just said it out of frustration.

Cowboy wrote:

You're truly not hearing me. You don't believe it, that's fine, enough said. I'm not shoving anything down anyone's throat. You don't believe, again that's fine. But you continually claim them to be folklore, fairytells, hearsay rumors, ect. It's one thing to state you don't believe in someone elses beliefs but it's another when you downgrade them to "folklore, fairytells, and rumors". If you do not wish to hear about God, I would suggest not talking in the GENERAL religion forum. General religion meaning any and all religions may be discussed here. Not going out of my way to shove anything down anyone's throat, just coming to discuss.