It becomes prideful when you see yourself as better or greater then another, weather it's family, friends, neighbors, God, or any other possible person(s).

Just merely discussing?

Oh please. You've already openly confessed several times in the past that you are a "servant of the Lord" and you are out to "spread the word of God", and blah, blah, blah.

You're an self-appointed evangelist and hardcore paper pope.

You aren't even remotely open to "Discussion" all you've been doing for the past several months is DEMANDING that your view of the Biblical Scriptures is infallible and everyone else's religious views are pure fantasy.

You've stated as much on many occasions.

You have even rejected science as being a mere "faith" and clearly place it far beneath the Bible in terms of "credibility" and believability.

And now you're going to PRETEND that you're merely 'discussing'.

You haven't "discussed" a single solitary thing with me since you've been on these forums. All you have ever done is PREACH at me.

You also flatly refuse to acknowledge and respect my spirituality and my relationship with the creator of life.

Even though I have often offered you respect and acknowledgment of your relationship with the creator of life.

You clearly use your religion to pass judgment on the spirituality of other people, and not for much of anything else.

You haven't "discussed" a single solitary thing with me since you've been on these forums. All you have ever done is PREACH at me.

Well I haven't done that.

So your statement was inapplicable.

If there exists a righteous God that righteousness must necessarily exceed mine, for it it doesn't then God is not even as righteous as me.

This is quoted out of the conversation you got the pride thing from. This is you stating that you are more righteous then God. So therefore yes very prideful in oneself. Weather or not God is real or not is moot, that isn't the point. You state yourself to be greater then God and is where my point was about you being prideful in yourself. So now you're lying about not having done as such?

All I need to do is have faith that God is at least as decent of an entity as I am. If that's true, you can TRUST ME, that not a single solitary worthy soul will ever be lost.

Cowboy wrote:

I've only done as you do. You reject the Christian faith and claim yours to be true, just as i reject other faiths and claim Christianity to be true.

I don't reject your faith.

Not at all. On the contrary I've acknowledged your faith countless times.

But you flatly refuse to acknowledge mine.

Apparently you aren't capable of discussing things outside of a personal vantage point.

That's too bad.

Cowboy wrote:

This is quoted out of the conversation you got the pride thing from. This is you stating that you are more righteous then God. So therefore yes very prideful in oneself. Weather or not God is real or not is moot, that isn't the point. You state yourself to be greater then God and is where my point was about you being prideful in yourself. So now you're lying about not having done as such?

Cowboy wrote:

And also this from the very same post. You're proclaiming to be more decent then God in this instance. So yes, is very prideful.

This is totally false, unless you are suggesting that God is not as righteous as me.

All I'm saying here is that if there exists an all-righteous God that God would necessarily be more righteous than me.

That's all I'm saying there. That's a GIVEN.



No I'm not claiming to be more decent than God in this instance, unless, you are suggesting that God is less decent than me!

All I'm saying in both of these instances is that I know how righteous I am, and since the idea is that God is more righteous than any mortal human, then God must necessarily be more righteous than me.

That's all I'm saying. So in every case I'm saying that God must be more righteous than me, unless you want to claim otherwise!

So this all just your inability to comprehend what I'm saying is all.

All I'm saying is that as long as God is more righteous then me then I have nothing to worry about.

So if you're going to claim that I have something to worry about, then you are demanding that God is less righteous than me!

That's the bottom line Cowboy.

You're the one who is demanding that God be less righteous than me by suggesting that God might not do something nasty to me if I don't cower down to YOUR RELIGION.

Or that I need to be "saved" from the wrath of your God.

You're the one who is demanding that I believe that God is less righteous than me.

I'm trying to tell you that I don't believe you.

Cowboy wrote:

You do reject my faith, you call it fables all day long. You don't refuse me the choice to believe in it, and neither do I you. But you do continually downgrade Christianity and call it fables, hearsay rumors ect.

You clearly do not believe in Buddhism, or Pantheism, or Wicca.

Do I take that to mean that you reject my faith?

No not at all. On the contrary, I've told you countless times over that your belief in my spirituality is totally irrelevant to me.

All I ask from you is to respect that I believe it.

I'm willing to accept that you believe in the Biblical picture of God. And I'm not attempting to talk you out of that picture.

I also I don't "downgrade" Christianity. Are the Jews downgrading Christianity when they say that they don't believe that Jesus was the Christ? No, of course they aren't. They are simply expressing their views of what they do believe.

Well, the same is true for me. If I say that from my point of view the Old Testament is fables, Jesus was a Mahayana Buddhist, and the New Testament is hearsay rumors. All I'm doing is expressing what I believe and offering my reasons for believing it.

There is no reason for you to feel that this "downgrades" Christianity unless you give my views merit.

Cowboy wrote:

You continuously talk about how inept you see the Christian God, you continuously call them fables, and so forth. Not believing in something is one thing, but putting down a belief is another.

You bring that on yourself, by making claims from those doctrines. Then I just point out the problems associated with those doctrines.

That's not "putting down a belief system" it simply showing where it has flaws.

You need to learn how to discuss things like religion without getting personally involved. Don't think of it as an attack on your faith, just think of it as a discussion of ancient doctrines, etc.

Cowboy wrote:

I'm not trying to talk you out of your beliefs either,

I find that hard to believe since you have already confessed countless times that you consider yourself to be a servant of the lord and you are deeply concerned with bringing people to the word of God.

You have also stated that you do this out of love because you are concerned about the fate of the souls of other people.

Like I say, from my point of view, your religion has you operating out of grave fear that souls will be lost if you don't take action to help save them.

And to me that translates directly into a God that cannot be trusted to save righteous souls on his own. If he needs your help then he isn't very "almighty", IMHO.

Cowboy wrote:

Oh but you do put down the faith. You claim God being inept, you claim it to be just fables, you claim a lot of things about the belief. Just the claiming it to be fables alone is claiming it then to be a lie which is another insult to it. And besides that, you've shown no problems. Any contradiction you've brought up, the Christians of this forum has shown them not to be. And you lightly push it off with "well that's your interpretation, or state that we twist it around to try to make it make sense, and so on.

Cowboy wrote:

Well first off, it's not God's job to save anyone. It is each individuals obligation to choose to do the right thing. I'm merely holding out a helping hand. Nothing special, nothing anything. Just a friendly neighbor lending a helping hand.

To suggest that ancient doctrines are most likely fables, and contain gross contradictions and logical errors should not be an insult to anyone but the actual authors of those texts.

Since none of those authors could possibly be alive today, no one should be offended by anything that is said about those ancient stories.

If we allow the excuse that no one is permitted to question the ancient biblical texts because it might offend believers, then we close off any possible way of discovering that they are indeed fables, should that happen to be the truth.

Had that been done with Greek Mythology we'd all still believe in Zeus today because it would be consider a grave "offense" to suggest that the stories might not be true.

A religious doctrine that cannot be questioned is a doctrine that would remain in power forever. In fact, it's my own personal belief that this is precisely what caused Christianity to grow to the power it has to day. It wasn't all that long ago that it was considered a very serious offense to speak out against the Bible in any way.

That's just a false way of preserving it and preventing it's fallacies from being exposed.

If it truly has no fallacies and truly cannot be broken, then there's nothing to fear about having people question it.

The reason some fundamental Christians fear having the bible questioned is because they know full well that it won't stand up to close examination.

If it could stand up to it, then what's to fear?

Who are you to say what God's "job" is?

Besides, that misses the point. It is indeed God's responsibility to be righteous and to do the right thing if indeed this God is righteous, and that's one of the premises of the Biblical God. This biblical God is supposed to be righteous.

Well, a righteous God can't be allowing deserving souls to be "lost". There wouldn't be anything righteous about that!

So yes it IS the biblical God's job to save all righteous people.

Anything less would be unrighteous.

We can't have that. That would violate what God is supposed to be!

Cowboy wrote:

It's one thing to state that you do not believe in the Christian faith. But when it comes to using words as fables or even down to hearsay rumors, it becomes insultive. You are more then welcome to not believe, that is your choice. But it's an entirely different story when you claim them to be "fables" continuously. We already know you do not believe in the faith, why continue to rub in the fact that you see them as fables? I try to keep our discussions civil, I do not state that Mysticism or or whatever to be a fable, folklore, or anything of such. Along with other beliefs. When in a discussion you are suppose to keep the other's feelings in consideration in the discussion. Cause all in all, these are "discussions" not debates or anything of such.

It's one thing to state that you do not believe in the Christian faith. But when it comes to using words as fables or even down to hearsay rumors, it becomes insultive. You are more then welcome to not believe, that is your choice. But it's an entirely different story when you claim them to be "fables" continuously. We already know you do not believe in the faith, why continue to rub in the fact that you see them as fables? I try to keep our discussions civil, I do not state that Mysticism or or whatever to be a fable, folklore, or anything of such. Along with other beliefs. When in a discussion you are suppose to keep the other's feelings in consideration in the discussion. Cause all in all, these are "discussions" not debates or anything of such.