Why the very same source that gives God existence, of course.

That should be obvious.

Think about that question for a while Cowboy.

"If we are god, who created us then?"

Well, if God is God who created God then?

It's the very same question. Just change "we" to "God" and it doesn't change a thing.

Cowboy wrote:

God wasn't created. God has always been and always will be.

Well then clearly we are all eternal as well just as the mystics have suggested.

Pantheism is the only way. There can be no other way.

You are not separate from God.

Your fears are unfounded.

No one was created. God manifested. We manifested.

We, like God, are eternal. We are God.

We exist because the existence of "nothing" is impossible.

Nothing, by definition is nothing. It is NOT "something."

Therefore, its existence is impossible.

That is where this saying came from:

Nothing is impossible.

Because it really is impossible.

Nothing does not exist.

Wrong again.

Before I started making my sandwich there was bread and mayo on the table.

And a bunch of bologna.

Cowboy wrote:

What fears? And we are eternal if one wishes to except that gift.

Your extreme fears that some unrighteous God is going to be casting innocent souls into a hell fire if they aren't "saved".

That's what you claim drives your passion to "spread the word", you're trying to "save" souls because you don't trust your God.

You should truly change over to a religion that has a God you can trust. Or try re-reading the doctrine of your own religion with a more optimistic mindset. You could finally find some peace of mind.

I would rather be an atheist than to distrust God as much as you do.

You're apparently in a total panic over souls being "lost".

It's truly sad to see you in such a state of distress.

All you truly need to do Cowboy is learn to TRUST God. It really doesn't matter whether you think of God in a pantheistic way, or as some sort of separate "fatherly" ego. That is truly irrelevant.

What's important is that you TRUST God and follow your heart, not your ego. Then you'll be just fine and you won't need to worry about trying to "save" lost souls. You'll finally be able to trust God enough to know that God would not permit any decent worthy soul from being "lost".

You really need to learn to question anyone who would even suggest such a thing (even if it's written in your religious doctrine). That's just all the more reason to question that doctrine.

Why do you just believe anything those people write?

Even the Gospels have Jesus telling his disciples that as much as they would go out looking for a lost sheep their father in heaven would do so even more.

So where you get the idea that it's up to you to save souls is beyond me. You really need to find a way to get over your fears about lost souls.

It would be utterly ridiculous to believe that God would "lose" a perfectly decent and worthy soul. Because if a God lost such a soul then that God's system of judgment would be unrighteous.

So the only thing you truly have to fear is an unrighteous God.

As long as you're willing to believe that God is righteous, then no souls will be "lost" that don't deserve to be "lost".

There can be no such thing as a "good" lost souls because that would imply that God's system of judgment was flawed and unjust and far from perfect.

You hold that God is perfect do you not?

Well, there you go!

It would be impossible for a perfect and righteous God to lose a soul that didn't actually deserve to be lost.

It's that simple.

You seem to have an extreme fear that God's method of judging people is unjust and imperfect, and if you don't do something to save souls God will allow decent people to be cast into the hell fire.

That would be a totally untrustworthy and unrighteous God Cowboy.

So why even bother thinking that God could be like that?

Have a little faith that God truly is good and get over your fears of God losing worthy souls if you don't save them.

You're never going to find any peace in your life if you can't even trust your own God to save worthy souls.

What's important is that you TRUST God and follow your heart, not your ego. Then you'll be just fine and you won't need to worry about trying to "save" lost souls. You'll finally be able to trust God enough to know that God would not permit any decent worthy soul from being "lost".

You really need to learn to question anyone who would even suggest such a thing (even if it's written in your religious doctrine). That's just all the more reason to question that doctrine.

Why do you just believe anything those people write?

Even the Gospels have Jesus telling his disciples that as much as they would go out looking for a lost sheep their father in heaven would do so even more.

So where you get the idea that it's up to you to save souls is beyond me.

You seem to have an extreme fear that God's method of judging people is unjust and imperfect, and if you don't do something to save souls God will allow decent people to be cast into the hell fire.

That would be a totally untrustworthy and unrighteous God Cowboy.

So why even bother thinking that God could be like that?

Cowboy wrote:

I have no ego and I do trust God with every bit of my existence. I have no ability to save anyone. That all lays in the hands of Jesus. I'm merely trying to guide people to Jesus. To open their eyes because they have chose to blind them self.

Actions without faith is dead. What do your actions say about your faith? Do they show you have trust in God? Do they show you have no trust in God? That is why actions are important, for they show what you truly put faith into. Who's to say who/what a decent person is? Who's the judge of that?

Who's to say who/what a decent person is? Who's the judge of that?

Actions without faith is dead. What do your actions say about your faith? Do they show you have trust in God? Do they show you have no trust in God? That is why actions are important, for they show what you truly put faith into. Who's to say who/what a decent person is? Who's the judge of that?

Why do you look at the splinter in your brother's eye, and not notice the beam which is in your own eye? Matthew 7:3

But you're not guiding anybody anywhere. All you do is argue with people who already know every bit as much about the Bible as you do or even possible more.

It's impossible for you to guide me to Jesus, because I've already read the stories. Moreover I've already told you that the will of Jesus and my will are one in the same. It's the Old Testament and the writings of Paul that I disagree with.

They shouldn't be important anyway, if you claim that it's all about Jesus.





We are, obviously.

If we are to believe that God is "righteous" then God must measure up to our understanding of what "righteous" is, otherwise, it would not make any sense to say that God is "righteous" if it meant something different from what we understand it to mean.

The same is true of love.

It makes no sense to tell me that God is all "love" and then demand that for God the very concept of "love" is something totally different from what I mean by love.

If that were the case, then the whole God concept would be moot.

If there exists a righteous God that righteousness must necessarily exceed mine, for it it doesn't then God is not even as righteous as me.

Clearly that's not going to work.

So you can't have a God condemning innocent souls and claim that to be a righteous act.

If you want to make God out to be a bully that's one thing. But to pretend that he's a righteous bully is absurd.

All I need to do is have faith that God is at least as decent of an entity as I am. If that's true, you can TRUST ME, that not a single solitary worthy soul will ever be lost.

On the other hand, if God is not as decent as I am, then the whole God concept is a moot point. God may as well be a demon at that point.

This statement seems indicative of someone who thinks that you must believe in God to be a good person. I know this is not the case. There are many good people in this world who do not believe what you believe.

If I were to go by the philosophy of the Bible and God's word. You would stand to be one of the more heinous perpetrators who violate his teachings of tolerance and love.

Jesus wanted his followers to go forth and share his teachings, not beat people over the head with fear-based epitaphs. He wanted to bring an era of kindness and understanding, not control the thoughts of every human being.

You living in fear everyday that you will go to Hell is not what your savior would want for his children. Nor would he want you to hurt others with those fears.

Show tolerance, and people will be tolerant.
Show understanding, and people will be understanding.
Show kindness, love, respect and you will find that people will
listen and give you the same.

If we are god, who created us then? Who/what created the matter that makes up all the universe. Who/what created everything that even made it possible for us to sprout up out of no where? Basically who/what created all the matter in the universe, planets, molecules, atoms, ect?

The same thing that made us in his image.
God and I are one.

Therefore I AM that that I am.

Cowboy wrote:

Glad to see someone is very quite prideful :)

What's prideful about knowing that I'm a decent person?

Cowboy wrote:

No you don't have to believe in God to be a good person. And no one's beating anyone over the head, nor trying to make people fear anything and or scare them into believing. If one is "scared" into believing, that is a form of being forced. If one is forced to do something, they are not doing it true heartedly. That is what God wishes, he wishes for us to come to him full heartedly on our own will. Again, no one is beating anyone over the head about anything. Just merely discussion.