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Topic: Do you think that.... - part 2
CowboyGH's photo
Wed 01/26/11 07:35 PM

Cowboy wrote:

I've created nothing. You say this to try to get under my skin and get my frustrated so that I will slip and say something wrong out of frustration. You've not yet shown what I say to be false. The biggest thing you've said in response is "well that you're interpretation" or something as such. But you've failed at showing how it is false.


I'm sorry if you're not comprehending this, but I've shown where Jesus himself said that ninety nine out of a hundred people in heaven would be just and not in need of repentance. It's in the Bible. Period.

I renounce your authority to speak for Jesus, or for Christianity.

I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to give your views any merit.

What you preach is in direct conflict with what these fables even have Jesus himself stating.

According to these fables, and the WORDS of Jesus, it not important to believe in him, he did not come for the righteous but for the sinners, ninety-nine out of a hundred people are just and righteous, and he also stated that ye will be judged as ye judge others, and if you judge not, neither will ye be judged.

Based on that last part along Jesus is telling me that I won't be judged, because I do not judge others.

So there you go.

All of your preaching about everyone being 'sinners' in need of repentance and that it's important to acknowledge Jesus as your Lord is all false.

The teachings of Jesus simply don't even support any of that.

So even if I were to believe in these stories, I still wouldn't accept any of your "interpretations" of what these stories supposedly represent.

I don't recognize your authority to speak for Jesus or for Christianity.





I'm sorry if you're not comprehending this, but I've shown where Jesus himself said that ninety nine out of a hundred people in heaven would be just and not in need of repentance. It's in the Bible. Period.


You're choosing to attempt to make it look like a contradiction. We are made just through our repentance. How can we be just if we break the law? Not possible. We have to repent from doing such actions first before we can be just. That is why they were just because they had repented from doing sinful actions.

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Wed 01/26/11 07:37 PM

Cowboy wrote:

I've created nothing. You say this to try to get under my skin and get my frustrated so that I will slip and say something wrong out of frustration. You've not yet shown what I say to be false. The biggest thing you've said in response is "well that you're interpretation" or something as such. But you've failed at showing how it is false.


I'm sorry if you're not comprehending this, but I've shown where Jesus himself said that ninety nine out of a hundred people in heaven would be just and not in need of repentance. It's in the Bible. Period.

I renounce your authority to speak for Jesus, or for Christianity.

I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to give your views any merit.

What you preach is in direct conflict with what these fables even have Jesus himself stating.

According to these fables, and the WORDS of Jesus, it not important to believe in him, he did not come for the righteous but for the sinners, ninety-nine out of a hundred people are just and righteous, and he also stated that ye will be judged as ye judge others, and if you judge not, neither will ye be judged.

Based on that last part along Jesus is telling me that I won't be judged, because I do not judge others.

So there you go.

All of your preaching about everyone being 'sinners' in need of repentance and that it's important to acknowledge Jesus as your Lord is all false.

The teachings of Jesus simply don't even support any of that.

So even if I were to believe in these stories, I still wouldn't accept any of your "interpretations" of what these stories supposedly represent.

I don't recognize your authority to speak for Jesus or for Christianity.





According to these fables, and the WORDS of Jesus, it not important to believe in him, he did not come for the righteous but for the sinners, ninety-nine out of a hundred people are just and righteous, and he also stated that ye will be judged as ye judge others, and if you judge not, neither will ye be judged


John 14:6

6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Abracadabra's photo
Wed 01/26/11 07:44 PM
Cowboy wrote:

You're choosing to attempt to make it look like a contradiction. We are made just through our repentance. How can we be just if we break the law? Not possible. We have to repent from doing such actions first before we can be just. That is why they were just because they had repented from doing sinful actions.


No, Jesus specifically said that these people were just an in no need of repentance.

Sorry.

When considering these fables I prefer to go with what they actually say rather than by your twisted views.

Like I say, I don't recognize your authority to speak for Jesus or for Christinaity.

You read these fables, and I read these fables.

You take your views, and I'll take mine

And that's the way it should be. drinker

From my point of view, you take the most hateful and accusatory views and interpretations possible.

I see no reason to read these stories from such a negative mindset.

If I'm going to read stories that are supposedly about "Divinity" I'm going to take from them the most divine aspects and messages that I possibly can.

If you want to filter them through bigoted and hateful eyes, that's your perogative.

Just don't push that filth onto me.

I have no need for such demented and sick negativity.

For all I know you could be possessed by an evil imp who is trying to make Jesus out to be a hateful God. You certainly appear to have that as your main agenda.

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Wed 01/26/11 07:47 PM

Cowboy wrote:

You're choosing to attempt to make it look like a contradiction. We are made just through our repentance. How can we be just if we break the law? Not possible. We have to repent from doing such actions first before we can be just. That is why they were just because they had repented from doing sinful actions.


No, Jesus specifically said that these people were just an in no need of repentance.

Sorry.

When considering these fables I prefer to go with what they actually say rather than by your twisted views.

Like I say, I don't recognize your authority to speak for Jesus or for Christinaity.

You read these fables, and I read these fables.

You take your views, and I'll take mine

And that's the way it should be. drinker

From my point of view, you take the most hateful and accusatory views and interpretations possible.

I see no reason to read these stories from such a negative mindset.

If I'm going to read stories that are supposedly about "Divinity" I'm going to take from them the most divine aspects and messages that I possibly can.

If you want to filter them through bigoted and hateful eyes, that's your perogative.

Just don't push that filth onto me.

I have no need for such demented and sick negativity.

For all I know you could be possessed by an evil imp who is trying to make Jesus out to be a hateful God. You certainly appear to have that as your main agenda.


Can you show me where Jesus says no one is in need of repentance? Or that some people are not in need of repentance.

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Wed 01/26/11 08:02 PM


Cowboy wrote:

You're choosing to attempt to make it look like a contradiction. We are made just through our repentance. How can we be just if we break the law? Not possible. We have to repent from doing such actions first before we can be just. That is why they were just because they had repented from doing sinful actions.


No, Jesus specifically said that these people were just an in no need of repentance.

Sorry.

When considering these fables I prefer to go with what they actually say rather than by your twisted views.

Like I say, I don't recognize your authority to speak for Jesus or for Christinaity.

You read these fables, and I read these fables.

You take your views, and I'll take mine

And that's the way it should be. drinker

From my point of view, you take the most hateful and accusatory views and interpretations possible.

I see no reason to read these stories from such a negative mindset.

If I'm going to read stories that are supposedly about "Divinity" I'm going to take from them the most divine aspects and messages that I possibly can.

If you want to filter them through bigoted and hateful eyes, that's your perogative.

Just don't push that filth onto me.

I have no need for such demented and sick negativity.

For all I know you could be possessed by an evil imp who is trying to make Jesus out to be a hateful God. You certainly appear to have that as your main agenda.


Can you show me where Jesus says no one is in need of repentance? Or that some people are not in need of repentance.

Can you show me where Jesus wrote anything in his own hand...

Until you can speak not to me of the writings of men and claim them to be HIS words.

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Wed 01/26/11 08:10 PM



Cowboy wrote:

You're choosing to attempt to make it look like a contradiction. We are made just through our repentance. How can we be just if we break the law? Not possible. We have to repent from doing such actions first before we can be just. That is why they were just because they had repented from doing sinful actions.


No, Jesus specifically said that these people were just an in no need of repentance.

Sorry.

When considering these fables I prefer to go with what they actually say rather than by your twisted views.

Like I say, I don't recognize your authority to speak for Jesus or for Christinaity.

You read these fables, and I read these fables.

You take your views, and I'll take mine

And that's the way it should be. drinker

From my point of view, you take the most hateful and accusatory views and interpretations possible.

I see no reason to read these stories from such a negative mindset.

If I'm going to read stories that are supposedly about "Divinity" I'm going to take from them the most divine aspects and messages that I possibly can.

If you want to filter them through bigoted and hateful eyes, that's your perogative.

Just don't push that filth onto me.

I have no need for such demented and sick negativity.

For all I know you could be possessed by an evil imp who is trying to make Jesus out to be a hateful God. You certainly appear to have that as your main agenda.


Can you show me where Jesus says no one is in need of repentance? Or that some people are not in need of repentance.

Can you show me where Jesus wrote anything in his own hand...

Until you can speak not to me of the writings of men and claim them to be HIS words.


I can't even show you that Jesus walked this earth without using documents by other people's writings.

You can't prove ANYTHING about history without using someone else's writing, so please don't try that.

Abracadabra's photo
Wed 01/26/11 08:11 PM
Cowboy wrote:

John 14:6

6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


So?

Why did you even bother posting that?

Jesus clearly said that he will not judge those who do not believe in him. Therefore if Jesus is the only way to the Father, and Jesus will not judge those who don't believe in him, then Jesus will see to it that those just and righteous people who don't believe in him will indeed get to the Father BY HIM.

There's no problem there. drinker

The only way there would be a problem there is if you want to claim that this contradicts Jesus' other statement?

But then you'd be faced with a contradiction in the WORD of Jesus.

So the only way to resolve that contradiction is to recognize that a belief in Jesus is not required in order to be accepted by Jesus. Jesus can accept anyone he wants, whether they believe in him or not.

So it's not a problem.

You're still trying your best to make the religion out to be a hateful religion that would exclude non-believers. But your interpretations require that Jesus contradicts himself.

So that can't be made to work.

You have no choice but to allow Jesus to save non-believers. laugh


Abracadabra's photo
Wed 01/26/11 08:14 PM
Cowboy wrote:

Can you show me where Jesus says no one is in need of repentance? Or that some people are not in need of repentance.


I already did.

Clearly you're just arguing for argument's sake and you're not even reading what I actually post. Just go back and re-read. Maybe you'll actually learn something for a change. flowerforyou

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Wed 01/26/11 08:15 PM

Cowboy wrote:

John 14:6

6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


So?

Why did you even bother posting that?

Jesus clearly said that he will not judge those who do not believe in him. Therefore if Jesus is the only way to the Father, and Jesus will not judge those who don't believe in him, then Jesus will see to it that those just and righteous people who don't believe in him will indeed get to the Father BY HIM.

There's no problem there. drinker

The only way there would be a problem there is if you want to claim that this contradicts Jesus' other statement?

But then you'd be faced with a contradiction in the WORD of Jesus.

So the only way to resolve that contradiction is to recognize that a belief in Jesus is not required in order to be accepted by Jesus. Jesus can accept anyone he wants, whether they believe in him or not.

So it's not a problem.

You're still trying your best to make the religion out to be a hateful religion that would exclude non-believers. But your interpretations require that Jesus contradicts himself.

So that can't be made to work.

You have no choice but to allow Jesus to save non-believers. laugh





Jesus clearly said that he will not judge those who do not believe in him.


There would be no need for a "judgment" for their fate is already told. Deny me before man and I will deny you before the father Jesus has said. So there wouldn't be any "judgment". Judgment is just that, we will be judged on weather we are worthy of the gift of heaven or not. But would be wasting time if the ones that denied Jesus went through the judgment for it's already told that those who deny Jesus before man Jesus will deny before the father. So again, no contradiction, problem, or anything of such.

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Wed 01/26/11 08:19 PM

Cowboy wrote:

Can you show me where Jesus says no one is in need of repentance? Or that some people are not in need of repentance.


I already did.

Clearly you're just arguing for argument's sake and you're not even reading what I actually post. Just go back and re-read. Maybe you'll actually learn something for a change. flowerforyou


No you have not. If one doesn't repent from sinful actions, they would then indulge themselves in sinful actions. If one practices sinful actions how can that one expect to receive forgiveness? This person obviously wouldn't want the forgiveness or else they would just plainly not do the sinful action. Forgiveness is there for our MISTAKES. One can not sin then ask for forgiveness, then do the same sin, then ask for forgiveness, then sin, and repeat. Because the asking for forgiveness would then obviously be in vein and not full heartedly felt.

Abracadabra's photo
Wed 01/26/11 09:08 PM
I'm not interested in your hateful version of Christianity Cowboy.

You can keep it all to yourself.

Here, take a look at how loving Christianity can be for a change:

http://www.avalongrove.org/

If you're going to support a religion at least try to put a little love in it. flowerforyou




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Wed 01/26/11 09:13 PM

I'm not interested in your hateful version of Christianity Cowboy.

You can keep it all to yourself.

Here, take a look at how loving Christianity can be for a change:

http://www.avalongrove.org/

If you're going to support a religion at least try to put a little love in it. flowerforyou






Unconditional love and forgiveness of trespasses and disobedience is incredibly great love my friend. Could you forgive someone for a horrible trespass against you if one day that person came to you asking for forgiveness. Then the next week did something else that hurt you, but again after a while came back and asked for forgiveness? Could you continuously forgive them and love the unconditionally like it never happened in the first place? That's great love right there, I don't care who you are. That is why alot of marriages end, because people can not forgive the other of some trespass they did against the other. But not our father, he offers forgiveness for anything and everything one could possibly do in a lifetime. Would not see someone as lesser of a person then the other, he loves us all fairly and unconditionally.

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Wed 01/26/11 09:30 PM






Perhaps... For you.

Shall we now simply expand the thread with the back and forth...

I would rather not.

You keep to your truth..

I keep to mine..

When at some point we meet in the 'mansion of many rooms'...

You can say 'see I told you so'...

and I will say...

I am here on my own merits and not those of Jesus...

and we will both be right.

There are many paths to God...

Only one is the right path for you.


There is but one path from point A to point B. The path is narrow and few will find it, but the path to death is broad and many will find it. So I plead for you to choose your path wisely.

I am not going from point A to point B.

My path is narrow... It is no wider than my self. The path for humanity is wide indeed... For god has a path to each of us.

Humanity is but a mote in gods eye. I am but an atom within that 'mote'.

Yet god sees us all.


So you're not going from point A"here" to point B"heaven"? Yes the path to heaven is narrow and few will find it.

Birth is not 'point a' rather it is an event in life that introduces you to this reality.
Heaven is not 'point b' rather it is an event in your life that introduces you to a new reality.

and Heaven (as you know it) is but a way point on a greater journey than you might comprhend, clinging to paper and ink as you do.

God is with you.

Stand up.

He did not make us to kneel before anything.


Romans 14:11
For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Why then did he make us to stand?

Paper and ink...

bindings and leather...

all tools of man...

yet God can not be bound.

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Wed 01/26/11 09:34 PM







Perhaps... For you.

Shall we now simply expand the thread with the back and forth...

I would rather not.

You keep to your truth..

I keep to mine..

When at some point we meet in the 'mansion of many rooms'...

You can say 'see I told you so'...

and I will say...

I am here on my own merits and not those of Jesus...

and we will both be right.

There are many paths to God...

Only one is the right path for you.


There is but one path from point A to point B. The path is narrow and few will find it, but the path to death is broad and many will find it. So I plead for you to choose your path wisely.

I am not going from point A to point B.

My path is narrow... It is no wider than my self. The path for humanity is wide indeed... For god has a path to each of us.

Humanity is but a mote in gods eye. I am but an atom within that 'mote'.

Yet god sees us all.


So you're not going from point A"here" to point B"heaven"? Yes the path to heaven is narrow and few will find it.

Birth is not 'point a' rather it is an event in life that introduces you to this reality.
Heaven is not 'point b' rather it is an event in your life that introduces you to a new reality.

and Heaven (as you know it) is but a way point on a greater journey than you might comprhend, clinging to paper and ink as you do.

God is with you.

Stand up.

He did not make us to kneel before anything.


Romans 14:11
For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Why then did he make us to stand?

Paper and ink...

bindings and leather...

all tools of man...

yet God can not be bound.


Well we would have to stand before we could bow. And yes it's on paper and ink in bindings and leather, what's your point? If God was to say something directly to you for you to spread a message to the WORLD, would you not have to write it down to reach that many people and keep it from being misconstrued and told wrong? Would you not have to make an absolute copy so that when someone else passes the message on it would not change?

And no God can not be bound, God is not in that book. Only knowledge of God is in the bible, our father himself is not in there. Know ye not that ye bodies are the temple of God and the holy spirit dwelleth inside you?

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Wed 01/26/11 09:37 PM
Edited by Abracadabra on Wed 01/26/11 09:37 PM
Cowboy wrote:

Unconditional love and forgiveness of trespasses and disobedience is incredibly great love my friend. Could you forgive someone for a horrible trespass against you if one day that person came to you asking for forgiveness. Then the next week did something else that hurt you, but again after a while came back and asked for forgiveness? Could you continuously forgive them and love the unconditionally like it never happened in the first place? That's great love right there, I don't care who you are. That is why alot of marriages end, because people can not forgive the other of some trespass they did against the other. But not our father, he offers forgiveness for anything and everything one could possibly do in a lifetime. Would not see someone as lesser of a person then the other, he loves us all fairly and unconditionally.


No Cowboy, you being devious and underhanded as always.

I was speaking to the fact that Jesus said that he would not judge those who hear his words and do not believe.

You take that and interpret it hatefully as follows:


There would be no need for a "judgment" for their fate is already told. Deny me before man and I will deny you before the father Jesus has said. So there wouldn't be any "judgment". Judgment is just that, we will be judged on weather we are worthy of the gift of heaven or not. But would be wasting time if the ones that denied Jesus went through the judgment for it's already told that those who deny Jesus before man Jesus will deny before the father. So again, no contradiction, problem, or anything of such.


Non-belief is not "denial", it's simply non-belief.

You would have had to have been there in person to deny Jesus. You would actually have had to call him a liar. You can't deny Jesus today, it's impossible, he's dead!

So you're hateful interpretations don't even make any sense. You're just trying real hard to have Jesus hating those who don't believe in him.

But that's nothing more than your hateful interpretation.

I offered a loving interpretation.

I simple recognize that Jesus was indeed wise enough to understand the difference between non-belief and rejection. And he realized that to not believe in him does not constitute rejecting him, nor does it constitute denying him as you claim.

He recognized that non-belief is as wholesome and innocent as anything and that no one could be blamed for not believing in such outrageous claims that he had made.

So once again, I have a loving interpretation, and you choose a hateful interpretation.

That's your choice Cowboy. You can make the religion and Jesus as hateful as you like. It's not going to impress me, I can assure you of that.

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Wed 01/26/11 09:41 PM

Cowboy wrote:

Unconditional love and forgiveness of trespasses and disobedience is incredibly great love my friend. Could you forgive someone for a horrible trespass against you if one day that person came to you asking for forgiveness. Then the next week did something else that hurt you, but again after a while came back and asked for forgiveness? Could you continuously forgive them and love the unconditionally like it never happened in the first place? That's great love right there, I don't care who you are. That is why alot of marriages end, because people can not forgive the other of some trespass they did against the other. But not our father, he offers forgiveness for anything and everything one could possibly do in a lifetime. Would not see someone as lesser of a person then the other, he loves us all fairly and unconditionally.


No Cowboy, you being devious and underhanded as always.

I was speaking to the fact that Jesus said that he would not judge those who hear his words and do not believe.

You take that and interpret it hatefully as follows:


There would be no need for a "judgment" for their fate is already told. Deny me before man and I will deny you before the father Jesus has said. So there wouldn't be any "judgment". Judgment is just that, we will be judged on weather we are worthy of the gift of heaven or not. But would be wasting time if the ones that denied Jesus went through the judgment for it's already told that those who deny Jesus before man Jesus will deny before the father. So again, no contradiction, problem, or anything of such.


Non-belief is not "denial", it's simply non-belief.

You would have had to have been there in person to deny Jesus. You would actually have had to call him a liar. You can't deny Jesus today, it's impossible, he's dead!

So you're hateful interpretations don't even make any sense. You're just trying real hard to have Jesus hating those who don't believe in him.

But that's nothing more than your hateful interpretation.

I offered a loving interpretation.

I simple recognize that Jesus was indeed wise enough to understand the difference between non-belief and rejection. And he realized that to not believe in him does not constitute rejecting him, nor does it constitute denying him as you claim.

He recognized that non-belief is as wholesome and innocent as anything and that no one could be blamed for not believing in such outrageous claims that he had made.

So once again, I have a loving interpretation, and you choose a hateful interpretation.

That's your choice Cowboy. You can make the religion and Jesus as hateful as you like. It's not going to impress me, I can assure you of that.



You would have had to have been there in person to deny Jesus. You would actually have had to call him a liar. You can't deny Jesus today, it's impossible, he's dead!


It is you that's being hateful, I've said not one hateful thing. And Jesus isn't dead my friend, he's alive just as you and I are. Jesus rose from the grave, the tomb was found empty, Jesus returned back home to our father. And saying Jesus wasn't the only begotten child of our father is deny Jesus.

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Wed 01/26/11 10:00 PM








Perhaps... For you.

Shall we now simply expand the thread with the back and forth...

I would rather not.

You keep to your truth..

I keep to mine..

When at some point we meet in the 'mansion of many rooms'...

You can say 'see I told you so'...

and I will say...

I am here on my own merits and not those of Jesus...

and we will both be right.

There are many paths to God...

Only one is the right path for you.


There is but one path from point A to point B. The path is narrow and few will find it, but the path to death is broad and many will find it. So I plead for you to choose your path wisely.

I am not going from point A to point B.

My path is narrow... It is no wider than my self. The path for humanity is wide indeed... For god has a path to each of us.

Humanity is but a mote in gods eye. I am but an atom within that 'mote'.

Yet god sees us all.


So you're not going from point A"here" to point B"heaven"? Yes the path to heaven is narrow and few will find it.

Birth is not 'point a' rather it is an event in life that introduces you to this reality.
Heaven is not 'point b' rather it is an event in your life that introduces you to a new reality.

and Heaven (as you know it) is but a way point on a greater journey than you might comprhend, clinging to paper and ink as you do.

God is with you.

Stand up.

He did not make us to kneel before anything.


Romans 14:11
For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Why then did he make us to stand?

Paper and ink...

bindings and leather...

all tools of man...

yet God can not be bound.


Well we would have to stand before we could bow. And yes it's on paper and ink in bindings and leather, what's your point? If God was to say something directly to you for you to spread a message to the WORLD, would you not have to write it down to reach that many people and keep it from being misconstrued and told wrong? Would you not have to make an absolute copy so that when someone else passes the message on it would not change?

And no God can not be bound, God is not in that book. Only knowledge of God is in the bible, our father himself is not in there. Know ye not that ye bodies are the temple of God and the holy spirit dwelleth inside you?

There is no 'absolute' copy of that book. There are versions, interpretations, translations, new versions, modern english versions (how? who alive today knows what the ACTUAL meaning of an ancient word was compared to our language today).

That book has violated its own words...

NOT ONE JOT OR TITTLE.

Abracadabra's photo
Wed 01/26/11 10:11 PM
Cowboy wrote:

It is you that's being hateful, I've said not one hateful thing.


I didn't say that you did. I said that you always choose the most hateful interpretations whenever possible.

There are two interpretations possible, one that that is loving toward non-believers, and one that is hateful toward non-believers.

You always choose the hateful interpretations and reject the loving interpretations.

EVERY TIME! Without fail.

So I see no value in your choice of interpretations. You always choose the nastier interpretation, and in that way you create
a nasty and hateful religion from a scripture that could be used to create a loving picture instead.

That's your choice brother.

I choose the more loving interpretations EVERY TIME! flowerforyou

So we all make choices to make the world however we'd like it to be.

Like I say, I'll pass on your "Cowboyanity".

CowboyGH's photo
Wed 01/26/11 10:12 PM









Perhaps... For you.

Shall we now simply expand the thread with the back and forth...

I would rather not.

You keep to your truth..

I keep to mine..

When at some point we meet in the 'mansion of many rooms'...

You can say 'see I told you so'...

and I will say...

I am here on my own merits and not those of Jesus...

and we will both be right.

There are many paths to God...

Only one is the right path for you.


There is but one path from point A to point B. The path is narrow and few will find it, but the path to death is broad and many will find it. So I plead for you to choose your path wisely.

I am not going from point A to point B.

My path is narrow... It is no wider than my self. The path for humanity is wide indeed... For god has a path to each of us.

Humanity is but a mote in gods eye. I am but an atom within that 'mote'.

Yet god sees us all.


So you're not going from point A"here" to point B"heaven"? Yes the path to heaven is narrow and few will find it.

Birth is not 'point a' rather it is an event in life that introduces you to this reality.
Heaven is not 'point b' rather it is an event in your life that introduces you to a new reality.

and Heaven (as you know it) is but a way point on a greater journey than you might comprhend, clinging to paper and ink as you do.

God is with you.

Stand up.

He did not make us to kneel before anything.


Romans 14:11
For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Why then did he make us to stand?

Paper and ink...

bindings and leather...

all tools of man...

yet God can not be bound.


Well we would have to stand before we could bow. And yes it's on paper and ink in bindings and leather, what's your point? If God was to say something directly to you for you to spread a message to the WORLD, would you not have to write it down to reach that many people and keep it from being misconstrued and told wrong? Would you not have to make an absolute copy so that when someone else passes the message on it would not change?

And no God can not be bound, God is not in that book. Only knowledge of God is in the bible, our father himself is not in there. Know ye not that ye bodies are the temple of God and the holy spirit dwelleth inside you?

There is no 'absolute' copy of that book. There are versions, interpretations, translations, new versions, modern english versions (how? who alive today knows what the ACTUAL meaning of an ancient word was compared to our language today).

That book has violated its own words...

NOT ONE JOT OR TITTLE.


Nothing changed in the bible though. Only the language it was written in. But what is literally written in the bible is the same that is written on those scribes.

Example
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Version one = It's cold outside
Version two = It's quite chilly outside
Version three = It's almost freezing outside.


All three mean the same but is worded differently. Same as with the different translations of the bible, king james, standard American, ect.



(how? who alive today knows what the ACTUAL meaning of an ancient word was compared to our language today).



(how? who alive today knows what the ACTUAL meaning of an ancient word was compared to our language today).


The english we talk today is the same english they spoke yesterday. The hewbrew that is spoken today is the same as spoken yesterday. Even if it is a tad bit different the absolute translation can be achieved by group interpreting. Narrowing it down to the only thing it could be translated to.



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Thu 01/27/11 11:01 AM
Not entirely thrue tho. Langauges change over the years and it is possible that there where some translation dificulties whan translating any holy book into modern day langauge. There is proof that some words back then could mean a lot of things.

In my oppinion god does not exist(sorry if I'm insulting anyone by this I do respect your beliefs I jsut don't believe it myself)
however I think that there is still a valuable lesson to be learned from religeon but I look at it from maybe a more sientific point of view. Living in a modern world as we do some rules don't make sense but if you think about the past times it doe. For instance picking a random one. Why do moslims not eat pork. Because it's a filthy animal.
Now take a look at where the muslim belief is biggets. In mostly hot country's where pork would go bad very fast. Faster than most other meats. maybe this kind of thing from my point of view does not apply to the modern world. If you look at modern times the amount of poeple who are religious is falling but the use of antidepressents and phsychiatrists is rising. I don't think thats for nothing.


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